Is there any resources / guidance on standing partial hanging?

[ifihadnever]

Hi,

I've been trying to make a FSH work but it's coming to light my ligature point might not have enough height and end in a standing partial. I wasn't looking at partial as FSH would be preference but before I totally give up on hanging I thought I'd just look in to standing partial and see if it's something I feel would be do-able.

Is there any resources / guides to standing partial? I've used the key search and can find lots of general partial guides but not standing in partial and unsure how the standing works. I think most don't go for standing which is maybe why I can't find much?

Also, seen some videos with the 'aftermath' of standing but not 100% how they got to that stage.

Just thought I'd ask if anyone knew much about it or if there's already some post / links to standing position someone could direct me too?

Thanks for any help / guidance!

 

[DeniedPeace]

I'm interested in this too.

 

[ifihadnever]

I'm interested in this too.

I still haven't found much info. only on kneeling or sitting partials. if you've found anything do let me know. thanks

 

[JesiBel]

It is not a guide in itself, but the experiment (4:25 min) carried out with the young volunteer shows a Partial Hanging scene in a standing position.

The young volunteer, with the ligature around her neck, leans forward and puts all her weight down to apply pressure.

It even contains a video of an actual (accidental) Partial Hanging death (8:30 min) in that same position.

Here the woman drops herself from a small platform where she was standing, abruptly applying all her weight with the ligature already around her neck.

(Warning!, sensitive material) Similar cases to this one:

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The full video is worth watching. It is very informative about how quickly consciousness is lost when oxygenated blood flow to the brain is cut off due to the ligature compression and the blockage of all vessels and structures in the neck.

Youtu be link (you must have an account to access) / Mirror link

Spoiler: These threads might also be helpful:

Brief summary of some points in the Hanging method

Partial Hanging, brief summary: losing consciousness, postures, reviewing common problems

Partial hanging videos (there are some posts with material in that thread)

 

[ifihadnever]

It is not a guide in itself, but the experiment (4:25 min) carried out with the young volunteer shows a Partial Hanging scene in a standing position.

The young volunteer, with the ligature around her neck, leans forward and puts all her weight down to apply pressure.

It even contains a video of an actual (accidental) Partial Hanging death (8:30 min) in that same position.

Here the woman drops herself from a small platform where she was standing, abruptly applying all her weight with the ligature already around her neck.

(Warning!, sensitive material) Similar cases to this one:

Spoiler

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The full video is worth watching. It is very informative about how quickly consciousness is lost when oxygenated blood flow to the brain is cut off due to the ligature compression and the blockage of all vessels and structures in the neck.

Youtu be link (you must have an account to access) / Mirror link

Spoiler: These threads might also be helpful:

Brief summary of some points in the Hanging method

Partial Hanging, brief summary: losing consciousness, postures, reviewing common problems

Partial hanging videos (there are some posts with material in that thread)

Thank you for this. It is very informative and helpful. I was trying to find out info on standing partial incase my FSH (which may not have quite enough height) ended up turning into a standing partial so I could be prepared. It does feel a little risky. Even with a standing partial it seems the ligature does stretch a fair bit. I may have to recalculate and measure again. Thank you for your help and taking the time to respond.

 

[JesiBel]

Thank you for this. It is very informative and helpful. I was trying to find out info on standing partial incase my FSH (which may not have quite enough height) ended up turning into a standing partial so I could be prepared. It does feel a little risky. Even with a standing partial it seems the ligature does stretch a fair bit. I may have to recalculate and measure again. Thank you for your help and taking the time to respond.

This is the full video (warning!) of the accidental Partial Hanging death.

It appears that she used a kind of elastic fabric for the ligature, and when all her weight is applied in the fall, it stretches quite a bit.

Leaving accidental cases aside.

Using a rope, it is also possible that it can stretches a little by the knots adjusting themselves to the maximum due to the weight of the suspended body, and the rope penetrating the neck and reducing its circumference. (Static ropes have very low/minimal stretch)

I think the key is to lose consciousness quickly using a self tightening knot for the ligature. The body may then move involuntarily (as can be seen in the video) but with the ligature exerting uninterrupted compression (since there is no way for it to untie or loosen) it is only a matter of time before death occurs.
Then it no longer matters if the body end completely suspended or if feet touch the ground.

In fact, many of the photos or videos that show Partial Hangings in a standing position may have originally been intended as Full S. Hangings. And because the material used for the ligature stretched, they remained in that position.

But if you think it's better and safer to just go for FSH without height complications maybe it's a good idea to look for another higher place. Being confident and without doubts is also important.

 

[ifihadnever]

This is the full video (warning!) of the accidental Partial Hanging death.

It appears that she used a kind of elastic fabric for the ligature, and when all her weight is applied in the fall, it stretches quite a bit.

Leaving accidental cases aside.

Using a rope, it is also possible that it can stretches a little by the knots adjusting themselves to the maximum due to the weight of the suspended body, and the rope penetrating the neck and reducing its circumference. (Static ropes have very low/minimal stretch)

I think the key is to lose consciousness quickly using a self tightening knot for the ligature. The body may then move involuntarily (as can be seen in the video) but with the ligature exerting uninterrupted compression (since there is no way for it to untie or loosen) it is only a matter of time before death occurs.
Then it no longer matters if the body end completely suspended or if feet touch the ground.

In fact, many of the photos or videos that show Partial Hangings in a standing position may have originally been intended as Full S. Hangings. And because the material used for the ligature stretched, they remained in that position.

But if you think it's better and safer to just go for FSH without height complications maybe it's a good idea to look for another higher place. Being confident and without doubts is also important.

Thank you.

Yes, I agree - it's a situation you want to be confident in. I had wondered myself if some of the videos I've watched (showing something in a standing position) where actual intended FHS but ligature / rope etc stretched. Like you say, not a problem if unconscious before you hit the ground.

Could I ask a quick question - in fsh unconscious is pretty quick? Would you say about 20 seconds? Or more?

Thanks for your help!

 

[JesiBel]

Could I ask a quick question - in fsh unconscious is pretty quick? Would you say about 20 seconds? Or more?

Thanks for your help!

Comparing the videos and information, consciousness is generally lost before 15 seconds. You could consider 20 seconds as a maximum, but those cases are less frequent.

• Agonal sequences in filmed Hangings: 2 research pdfs

Article:

"Abrupt stoppage of arterial supply to the brain generally results in unconsciousness in around 5-11 seconds. If all these arteries are suddenly occluded and the compression is maintained, hanging does not show any facial congestion, edema or petechiae."

• Book: Forensic pathology of asphyxial deaths by Dr. Sudhir K. Gupta

For this reason, the correct positioning of the ligature is crucial, and both carotid arteries must be properly blocked.