Discussion Is there an appropriate age or rather, is there such thing as an underage when it comes to gender identity assessment?

[NormallyNeurotic]

This is just me being lucky but I went through most of male puberty but when I have got hrt I have to gotten to pass as a cis woman for most people without facial feminization surgery. I have only had very few people question my gender.

From my perspective its been that trans women get more attention at least with hook ups and sexual attention as we are more sexualized than trans men. If a trans person wants to get a romantic partner tho I would suggest them to date other trans people as you have more in common and already understand each other so don't have to do as much explaining about yourself and less likely to cause each other dysphoria. Trans people are also less likely to care if you pass as cisgender and less likely to rejection or break up just cus you are trans. When I have wanted to be in a relationship with another trans person it was quite easily done, the problem was that I am too co-dependent and my fear of abandonment and other mental issues I have so they have both ended cus of those things.

This is interesting because I tend to see trans men equally as sexualized, but in a different way.

In my experience, trans men get sexualized in the long-term abusive misogynistic way more often. Unfortunately, a lot of trans men in relationships with cis men are encouraged by them to not transition because their partner would "find them undesirable." Many actually fully detransition for these creeps.

On top of this, corrective assault has majorly high rates.

I just don't think any trans person can escape sexualization.

 

[Namelesa]

This is interesting because I tend to see trans men equally as sexualized, but in a different way.

In my experience, trans men get sexualized in the long-term abusive misogynistic way more often. Unfortunately, a lot of trans men in relationships with cis men are encouraged by them to not transition because their partner would "find them undesirable." Many actually fully detransition for these creeps.

On top of this, corrective assault has majorly high rates.

I just don't think any trans person can escape sexualization.

I see, I am sorry :< That is definitely true, I assume those cis men that discourage trans men from transitioning as they see them as women and don't want them to look more masculine. They sexualize trans men not for them being men but cus they see them as women which is fluffing terrible. There are plenty of cis women for you to be attracted to if you don't want to be in a relationship with a man.

For me I just seen on porn sites and sex chatrooms that trans women are more popular at least amongst cis men as they fetishize us for being girls with penises (tho this could just be me looking at more trans women porn than trans men porn.) They will often also be ashamed of this attraction so they won't see us as more than sex objects and often wouldn't go into long term relationships with us or won't like others to see them in relationships with us.

 

[NormallyNeurotic]

I see, I am sorry :< That is definitely true, I assume those cis men that discourage trans men from transitioning as they see them as women and don't want them to look more masculine. They sexualize trans men not for them being men but cus they see them as women which is fluffing terrible. There are plenty of cis women for you to be attracted to if you don't want to be in a relationship with a man.

For me I just seen on porn sites and sex chatrooms that trans women are more popular at least amongst cis men as they fetishize us for being girls with penises (tho this could just be me looking at more trans women porn than trans men porn.) They will often also be ashamed of this attraction so they won't see us as more than sex objects and often wouldn't go into long term relationships with us or won't like others to see them in relationships with us.

That's exactly it. For trans women I often see that the more feminine ("able to pass") they are, the more they are sexualized. For trans men, the more feminine (NOT "able to pass") they are, the more they are sexualized. It shows how much misogyny effects us all. If you think about it, misogyny effects everyone but cishet gender-comforming men. Even cis gay men are nonconsensually feminized and stereotyped.

You're pretty much spot on about the people who stop trans men from transitioning. It's usually that the partner finds the trans man attractive ONLY because he sees himself as a man and has a few masculine traits—taboo and fantasy-based and fetishistic—but that attraction goes away if the trans man gets facial hair or surgery for example.

Or sometimes the partner is playing the long game as a way of control/manipulation, consistently conditioning the trans man into being scared to transition—and being completely subservient to said partner. The latter I almost had experience with when I identified as transmasculine nonbinary as a young teen.

I think the rates of sexualization/assault are something people overlook when it comes to trans people. On average, you hear more about trans women being killed than assaulted. You also hear more about trans women than trans men. But is this because trans women are killed more? Or maybe it's the fact that trans men tend to be overlooked and classed as a "murdered women" (especially since a lot of trans men stay closeted for longer since it's normalized for women to do certain masculine things, but not for men to do certain feminine things)? I honestly don't know. Too many variables.

Really, with everything we have to go through, INCLUDING AS KIDS, I think we deserve to actually have access to care that can alleviate the only pain that isn't due to discrimination.