Is sn really so efficient ?

[duncan]

Hi everybody, it's my first post.

When I read PPH or most of the posts on this forum, I understand that the sn method is reliable and peaceful.
But when I read newspaper articles or scientific articles, it doesn't seem so clear. In the majority of cases, apparently, the method fails, and people suffer.
I don't want to wake up in my vomit. The possibility scares me.
For example, I read in an article on sciencedirect that when the method started to be used in France in 2020, 4 people ingested 20 to 30 g of sn. Only one person died.
Is it because these people may not have respected a specific protocol?
Have you tried to do research outside of pro-suicide forums? What were your conclusions?

Wish you the best

 

[daeneyss]

I too am more and more afraid of the SN method, even though it is the only one I can do:(

 

[MercenariesofMidgar]

I'm not sure how much I can add to this conversation but it looks like at a high enough purity and uninterrupted, it's much higher death rate? Were those french people found before being unconscious? or maybe they called the police in regret?

Protocol is protocol for a reason I guess, I can assume a lot of people who take SN especially back in 2020 wouldn't follow much of a plan compared to SaSu users.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

For example, I read in an article on sciencedirect that when the method started to be used in France in 2020, 4 people ingested 20 to 30 g of sn. Only one person died.

Were they found early? Did the survivors survive without medical help? There are many factors why someone might still survive.

 

[duncan]

I wonder if people don't overestimate the sn method because n is unavailable and they don't see any other solution.
So they want to believe it.
I hope I am wrong, but that is what I fear. Have you found a reliable success rate of the sn method?

Were they found early? Did the survivors survive without medical help? There are many factors why someone might still survive.

Yes the article describes medical care. Early ? I don't know.

 

[Dante_]

In the majority of cases, apparently, the method fails, and people suffer.

Which cases specifically because there are many and many of these medical articles rarely ever detail what they experienced but rather, the treatment process and the fact that it is a rising trend in suicides.

For example, I read in an article on sciencedirect that when the method started to be used in France in 2020, 4 people ingested 20 to 30 g of sn. Only one person died.
Is it because these people may not have respected a specific protocol?

Yeah, I know this one and the answer is, just as @Praestat_Mori said above, there's a lot of factors as to why some survive, it could be that they were able to seek help rather quickly before ever losing consciousness and the hospital they went to just so happen to have Methylene blue which is not the case all the time and for anyone interested in the article that the op is referring to, I've posted it along with this comment. Also, it's quite unlikely anyone survives without medical attention since it is a time sensitive matter, sure people can survive and recover on lower quantities ingested but it isn't the case for greater quantities where the mortality rate is significantly higher.

Have you tried to do research outside of pro-suicide forums? What were your conclusions?

My conclusions are that in a situation where there aren't many better options that can be equally accessed by everyone, it's not bad to consider even if it's not something you'd end up utilizing, it's just good to have an option in a world where many don't have favorable circumstances across the board or are under resourced but now, does that mean everyone should use it? I don't agree because it's everyone's choice at the end of the day. Furthermore, I'd like to ask what do you mean by research outside of pro-suicide forums? Are you asking if research has been conducted not within environment like this one?

Have you found a reliable success rate of the sn method?

Without any accurate data to reflect how lethal this method it is which translates into a success rate, it is difficult to know but the fact it's caused enough concern for authorities to be aware of its use, seems to be that it's lethality is quite significant. I think your concerns about whether or not people overestimate it is understandable considering the variety in symptoms presented by those who've been kind enough to share such details but I don't think that's the case here, it's almost as if you're also saying that because people are left without an option, it appears as more reliable because they don't have N. I'll echo what @DOHARDTHINGS24 said in another thread, which is that if there were to be a better option tomorrow, avaliable to me then yeah I'd drop SN like a hot rock too but because there's so many factors that go into this such as cost and accessibility, it's just not that simple plus it isn't that ss users are desperate enough to believe this method will work because there aren't any better options, I genuinely think many have considered it and some don't find it appealing which demonstrates that there is a great amount of research and understanding before deciding upon a method.

 

[thatisitguy]

No, SN isn't like dying in your sleep. I tried the method and it's really complicated and tedious. People underestimate how hard it is to kill the human body.

 

[Silmaril]

No, SN isn't like dying in your sleep. I tried the method and it's really complicated and tedious. People underestimate how hard it is to kill the human body.

Can you speak to your experience of trying?

SN is my method of choice, possibly with N2 via SCBA as I'm fortunate to be able to afford both - your experience may convince me I should opt for both methods and not just SN.

 

[Dante_]

Can you speak to your experience of trying?

SN is my method of choice, possibly with N2 via SCBA as I'm fortunate to be able to afford both - your experience may convince me I should opt for both methods and not just SN.

Shooting yourself in the heart

So I've tried SN and overdosing on fentanyl. My next method is shooting myself. Being that CTB is way harder than it's made out to be, I am moving forward with using a gun. There seems to be even more science and steps if you plan on shooting yourself in the head and given my luck, I'll probably...

sanctioned-suicide.net

This thread does detail the experience but I'm not sure if there's any other missing details that I'm not aware of that may need to be clarified.

 

[Silmaril]

Shooting yourself in the heart

So I've tried SN and overdosing on fentanyl. My next method is shooting myself. Being that CTB is way harder than it's made out to be, I am moving forward with using a gun. There seems to be even more science and steps if you plan on shooting yourself in the head and given my luck, I'll probably...

sanctioned-suicide.net

This thread does detail the experience but I'm not sure if there's any other missing details that I'm not aware of that may need to be clarified.

Thanks, sounds like an awful experience but also perhaps what they obtained wasn't what they thought it was?

I plan to purchase SN from a large scientific supplier, even their 95% purity is reporting 99.9% purity on their routine test reports. I would also perform my own testing before going through with the act.

I fear more could go wrong with the handgun to the heart method they mention in that post, though appreciate that's off topic for this thread. Whatever they do I hope they find peace.

 

[Dante_]

I plan to purchase SN from a large scientific supplier, even their 95% purity is reporting 99.9% purity on their routine test reports. I would also perform my own testing before going through with the act.

It is a safer bet to purchase from a supplier since they will provide a COA and MSDS (material data safety sheet) but the best you can do is just do your own testing for peace of mind

sounds like an awful experience but also perhaps what they obtained wasn't what they thought it was?

Yes, they did admit that their sn showed no signs of nitrite citing the fact their source claimed it was 99% in purity from Indias as it's country of origin but to my knowledge, camping stores don't sell such a high concentration of SN unless its for meat curing purposes which will most likely be way below 99%, it's something that can happen to anyone, buying from a source, especially if it doesn't add up, is best avoided.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

I'll echo what @DOHARDTHINGS24 said in another thread, which is that if there were to be a better option tomorrow, avaliable to me then yeah I'd drop SN like a hot rock too but because there's so many factors that go into this such as cost and accessibility, it's just not that simple plus it isn't that ss users are desperate enough to believe this method will work because there aren't any better options, I genuinely think many have considered it and some don't find it appealing which demonstrates that there is a great amount of research and understanding before deciding upon a method.

Thank you for the shout out - I repeat myself often enough as is .
My simplistic, yet respectful, view for this site is also this - find the least shitty option for yourself, your circumstances, your abilities.
And don't piss on anyone else's choices. The end.
It is simple, it just doesn't happen often enough.
You don't like a method??
Easy - move along...
I'm racking my brain to think if I've ever commented on other people's choices - I care a lot about who finds you & how & have defs offered suggestions on how to make that less traumatic, because I've seen the damage it can cause, but also understand other people don't have to care about what I care about (just writing that makes me think I may now be too old for the internet ).
I may have said I couldn't implicate others, like I personally couldn't do that to a train driver. But I defs haven't gone on to hanging or firearms or other method threads & talked about their likely pain or failure or offered SN as a solution. I know that much is true because I have limited time so I literally never hit threads about inert gas or recovery etc - I have nothing useful to add there, I have nothing useful to gain there, I follow my own advice & just move along.
Again, writing that, I am now defs too old for the internet .
All you young mofo's, your brains don't remember a time before the internet - let me tell you a story about the olden days . We had just as many opinions as you do now, but lacked all the avenues to shout them 24 hours a day, so we didn"t shout them 24 hours a day - mostly the opinions were treated as opinions, everyone has one, instead of one being inherently better than the other, & stayed within our heads or shared with people we knew IRL.
I think having this outlet is fantastic, it defintely reduces isolation regarding suicide, it's changed my life for sure, but it is also a toxic hellhole that sucks your life force on occasion...
And I'm gonna post this & then try really, really, really hard, harder than ever, to stop reacting to this stuff & leave it to you guys.
You've got this

 

[grapevoid]

Sn is poison so how your body reacts to it is going to be different than everyone else's. That goes for how long you have to pass out, be saved, die etc. it may be very quick and effective for one person and not for the next. It's important to research your own conditions, medications, be self aware of how you react to medications and anything else that could effect your method of choice.

I failed with intert gas. Who even does that? I was sure it was 100 percent going to work. I made it out without any serious long term affects so I'm not willing to try it again, I'm sure my luck is up. I have chosen SN because of the safety if I somehow fail or am saved. I don't want to risk long term disablement and I believe SN is the best option with THAT in mind.

So I would consider all your options, and what is important to you for your death then choose what fits your needs best.
Ps- I've read a lot of medical journals about SN- it will kill you 100 percent if done right.

 

[amomentspeace]

Ps- I've read a lot of medical journals about SN- it will kill you 100 percent if done right.

Do you know of any cases of permanent injury from an SN attempt? brain damage is one of my biggest fears, and from what I understand SN is related to the body's oxygen. I'm terrified

edit: I;m sorry, I didn't read the part where you mentioned exactly this

 

[Dante_]

Thank you for the shout out - I repeat myself often enough as is .
My simplistic, yet respectful, view for this site is also this - find the least shitty option for yourself, your circumstances, your abilities.
And don't piss on anyone else's choices. The end.
It is simple, it just doesn't happen often enough.
You don't like a method??
Easy - move along...
I'm racking my brain to think if I've ever commented on other people's choices - I care a lot about who finds you & how & have defs offered suggestions on how to make that less traumatic, because I've seen the damage it can cause, but also understand other people don't have to care about what I care about (just writing that makes me think I may now be too old for the internet ).
I may have said I couldn't implicate others, like I personally couldn't do that to a train driver. But I defs haven't gone on to hanging or firearms or other method threads & talked about their likely pain or failure or offered SN as a solution. I know that much is true because I have limited time so I literally never hit threads about inert gas or recovery etc - I have nothing useful to add there, I have nothing useful to gain there, I follow my own advice & just move along.
Again, writing that, I am now defs too old for the internet .
All you young mofo's, your brains don't remember a time before the internet - let me tell you a story about the olden days . We had just as many opinions as you do now, but lacked all the avenues to shout them 24 hours a day, so we didn"t shout them 24 hours a day - mostly the opinions were treated as opinions, everyone has one, instead of one being inherently better than the other, & stayed within our heads or shared with people we knew IRL.
I think having this outlet is fantastic, it defintely reduces isolation regarding suicide, it's changed my life for sure, but it is also a toxic hellhole that sucks your life force on occasion...
And I'm gonna post this & then try really, really, really hard, harder than ever, to stop reacting to this stuff & leave it to you guys.
You've got this

And this is why I appreciate your thoughts on things like this.

 

[grapevoid]

Do you know of any cases of permanent injury from an SN attempt? brain damage is one of my biggest fears, and from what I understand SN is related to the body's oxygen. I'm terrified

edit: I;m sorry, I didn't read the part where you mentioned exactly this

There are cases of long term health and neurological problems after SN however most people who are saved make a full recovery.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

And this is why I appreciate your thoughts on things like this.

I'm gonna assume that was genuine, not sarcastic, Not you, I'm just not very good at that, sorry.
So running on genuine, I've just gone back to reading my old messages to a friend here who is now gone (documented SN bus) - it is difficult, so I'm not sure how far I'll get, the sorrow runs deep .
But one of the first, which I don't remember writing, said:
"If it was possible for me to switch method to a barbiturate, I'd do that in a heartbeat. A more peaceful journey than the SN bus, same destination."
If you get sick of the hot rock