Help Is shallow water blackout really possible in a bathtub?

[25jiyuki]

This is my most preferred suicide method but I'm unsure if I need a huge body of water, or if I can do it at home.

 

[Moroze]

Hey, drowning is really fucking painful. It's like burning from the inside out. It's considered out of the most painful methods. It feels like your head and your lungs are about to explode.

 

[trencher]

Hey, drowning is really fucking painful. It's like burning from the inside out. It's considered out of the most painful methods. It feels like your head and your lungs are about to explode.

I considered this method too but I can't bring myself to do it

 

[25jiyuki]

Hey, drowning is really fucking painful. It's like burning from the inside out. It's considered out of the most painful methods. It feels like your head and your lungs are about to explode.

I'm aware, but this is the way I've chosen to go.

 

[Pale_Rider]

Its very unlikely you could pull this off. Your going to pass out, and float to the top. Your body will start breathing again. Now in more pain. People talk about drowning, buts always an accident. Usually because they cant swim.

 

[25jiyuki]

Its very unlikely you could pull this off. Your going to pass out, and float to the top. Your body will start breathing again. Now in more pain. People talk about drowning, buts always an accident. Usually because they cant swim.

If I hypothetically was at a large body of water, and brought weights of some sort, could that prevent me from floating up?

 

[Pale_Rider]

Obviously yeah. Its a really hard way to go. Its considered one of the worst. Did you know that?

 

[Intoxicated]

Hey, drowning is really fucking painful. It's like burning from the inside out.

How do you know that?

It's considered out of the most painful methods.

Considered by whom?

It feels like your head and your lungs are about to explode.

Any proof links? How are you supposed to feel anything after loss of consciousness? Note that this topic is about drowning under specific conditions, shallow-water blackout, which implies that aspiration of water mostly happens after fainting.

 

[Pale_Rider]

How do you know that?

Considered by whom?

Any proof links? How are you supposed to feel anything after loss of consciousness? Note that this topic is about drowning under specific conditions, shallow-water blackout, which implies that aspiration of water mostly happens after fainting.

ever have soda go down the wrong hole?

 

[25jiyuki]

Obviously yeah. Its a really hard way to go. Its considered one of the worst. Did you know that?

Yes, I'm aware. Thanks for the help.

 

[Intoxicated]

ever have soda go down the wrong hole?

How is that relevant to the discussion? Do you assume that the OP is going to drown in soda?

 

[Pale_Rider]

How is that relevant to the discussion? Do you assume that the OP is going to drown in soda?

The topic is on drowning, but i really dont want to derail it. Thats how its relevant.

 

[Intoxicated]

If the OP is untrained in long breath holding after hyperventilation, then attempts of applying the basic SWB method will likely turn into a fiasco, because substantial CO2 buildup commonly occurs long before clouding and loss of consciousness, and the urge to breathe becomes hard to endure for untrained people. This issue can be solved by using an enhanced technique, implying inhalations of an asphyxiant gas like nitrous oxide, displacing oxygen from the lungs shortly before submersion. This way you can lose consciousness much faster - in about half a minute (since gas asphyxiation is commenced), versus approximately 4 minutes or more of breath holding for the basic SWB technique relying just on hyperventilation with plain air.

If an attempt to drown in a bathtub is done having face down and with weights attached to the neck, then successful blackout likely leads to successful CTB eventually. A larger pool of water (without potential rescuers nearby) would probably be a more reliable alternative.

 

[iw2begone]

If the OP is untrained in long breath holding after hyperventilation, then attempts of applying the basic SWB method will likely turn into a fiasco, because substantial CO2 buildup commonly occurs long before clouding and loss of consciousness, and the urge to breathe becomes hard to endure for untrained people. This issue can be solved by using an enhanced technique, implying inhalations of an asphyxiant gas like nitrous oxide, displacing oxygen from the lungs shortly before submersion. This way you can lose consciousness much faster - in about half a minute (since gas asphyxiation is commenced), versus approximately 4 minutes or more of breath holding for the basic SWB technique relying just on hyperventilation with plain air.

If an attempt to drown in a bathtub is done having face down and with weights attached to the neck, then successful blackout likely leads to successful CTB eventually. A larger pool of water (without potential rescuers nearby) would probably be a more reliable alternative.

The way the thread described it though it said it would only take a few seconds to black out? No breath holding required? Is this incorrect?

Its very unlikely you could pull this off. Your going to pass out, and float to the top. Your body will start breathing again. Now in more pain. People talk about drowning, buts always an accident. Usually because they cant swim.

Not if it's face down and underwater

Hey, drowning is really fucking painful. It's like burning from the inside out. It's considered out of the most painful methods. It feels like your head and your lungs are about to explode.

Not if you're unconscious before you hit the water and drown, the method in question in this post was described as painless

 

[Intoxicated]

The way the thread described it though it said it would only take a few seconds to black out? No breath holding required? Is this incorrect?

If you mean this thread, I didn't see any approximate time intervals mentioned on the first page. Neither I saw the underlying mechanism explained in detail there. It seems the author of that topic didn't understand the effects of hyperventilation well, considering how he was excited from observing dizziness and lightheadedness it causes.

Hyperventilation reduces CO2 level in the blood, that leads to constriction of cerebral blood vessels and reduced blood flow to the brain. This is why clouding of consciousness may occur when hyperventilating. But these effects are transient, they are quickly reverted by further accumulation of CO2 that takes place after hyperventilation is stopped and breath holding is commenced.

The actual usefulness of hyperventilation is not producing syncope directly by overbreathing, its purpose is rather delaying hypercapnia (excess of CO2) through inducing hypocapnia (lack of CO2), so that CO2 takes much more time to accumulate to the point when strong urge to breathe occurs.

Wikipedia explains the mechanism well enough

Freediving blackout - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ideally, you should be able to hold your breath for several minutes and faint without feeling the urge to breathe as indicated on this diagram

But many (or probably most) people who tried this technique failed to accomplish such perfect results. I did my own experiments trying to hold my breath as long as possible. Among hundreds of attempts to achieve the best time, I was close to blackout only once, and I had to bear strong urge to breathe for about half a minute back then. The total duration of breath holding in that case was about 4 minutes. An approximate reconstruction of what happened is summarized in the diagram below



I had to put a lot of effort in holding breath during the peak of the urge to breathe (designated by the red curve), and it was an unpleasant experience.

 

[bankai]

Is it really traumatic if you black out and drown?You shouldn't be aware, right?

 

[iw2begone]

If you mean this thread, I didn't see any approximate time intervals mentioned on the first page. Neither I saw the underlying mechanism explained in detail there. It seems the author of that topic didn't understand the effects of hyperventilation well, considering how he was excited from observing dizziness and lightheadedness it causes.

Thank you for sharing this and taking the time and effort to explain it, I'm quite disappointed that it doesn't work as well as the post seemed to imply.

Could I ask about another method on here if you happen to know - I think it suggested 2 bean bags/sandbags tied with tape or ties on the sides of your neck. How viable is this? It suggested it would be painless and quick to losing consciousness. If it isn't, do you know of any methods that are?

 

[25jiyuki]

I'll start training myself with holding my breath for long periods of time. If it fails in the end, I'm willing to endure drowning consciously, but I would prefer to have blacked out. Thanks for everyone's advice or explanation.

 

[SecretDissociation]

Hope your way is as painless as possible! Drowning is possible almost anywhere and anyhow. Take your time to figure out your logistics

 

[Intoxicated]

I'm quite disappointed that it doesn't work as well as the post seemed to imply.

As I said before, the method can be significantly improved by using gas asphyxiation, but this technique requires some supplies.

Man drowns in Gold Coast hotel spa after inhaling 'nangs'

www.9news.com.au

Unlike long breath holding after hyperventilation, fainting from inhalations of an asphyxiant should be much easier to carry out properly. Here's some recent discussion about preparations for the enhanced SWB method

n20 gas arrived

Now that i actually have everything planned out and have the n20 i feel sort of at ease, ordering it was much easier then i expected.. Im glad i have a way out for whenever i need it. Not sure when i will use it to die but its just comforting to know its there. This should go seamlessly, i feel...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Could I ask about another method on here if you happen to know - I think it suggested 2 bean bags/sandbags tied with tape or ties on the sides of your neck. How viable is this? It suggested it would be painless and quick to losing consciousness. If it isn't, do you know of any methods that are?

IDK, I didn't research strangulation methods in depth.

 

[AntarusDragon]

As I said before, the method can be significantly improved by using gas asphyxiation, but this technique requires some supplies.

Man drowns in Gold Coast hotel spa after inhaling 'nangs'

www.9news.com.au

Unlike long breath holding after hyperventilation, fainting from inhalations of an asphyxiant should be much easier to carry out properly. Here's some recent discussion about preparations for the enhanced SWB method

n20 gas arrived

Now that i actually have everything planned out and have the n20 i feel sort of at ease, ordering it was much easier then i expected.. Im glad i have a way out for whenever i need it. Not sure when i will use it to die but its just comforting to know its there. This should go seamlessly, i feel...

sanctioned-suicide.net

IDK, I didn't research strangulation methods in depth.

Hello. I have a question that has come to mind: is it possible to use a method in the bath such as hyperventilation + alcohol? Breathe heavily for 2-3 minutes, drink a good amount of 40% whiskey, and try to do it? + Add something heavy to not float up... idk.. Backpack filled with stones?