Discussion Is it selfish to ctb? I'd like to know how other's see things....also question about mixing meds

[Sammie]

I'm interested in thoughts on meds that are cns depressants? Just a thought, not something I'm currently pursuing ...but what are some thoughts/opinions/experiences on something like mixing a tricyclic antidepressant (tca) with another "old" antidepressant(often used for insomnia and anxiety), an opioid pain medication, a benzodiazapine and an antiemetic?

 

[FuneralCry]

I have no idea for the second question, but in regards to selfishness, the truth is that even know ctb may benefit ourselves at the expense of others, there is nothing wrong with suicide and there never could be in anyway. Nobody should feel guilt tripped and feel like they are forced to exist only for the sake of others, suicide is a personal decision which should be respected and after all, death, grief and loss are simply an inevitable part of life, we will all lose everything and die eventually someday and continuing to exist for another day is just delaying this.

 

[Snatsbats]

Yeah, but i dont give a fuck aboit otherd anymore. Fuck them! My parents also didnt think about all the suffering i would be going through when they had me, so they were selfish too. Now its my turn to be selfish

 

[BornToFail]

Not to me. But if it was, why care? Everyone does selfish acts, it is how we live.

 

[Himalayan]

Is it selfish? Look at the world you live in, you think people aren't selfish?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Is it selfish to CTB in order to end our suffering? Or is it selfish of our loves ones to want us to stick around and suffer just to make them happy?

 

[BrainBloodClots]

Is it selfish? I suppose it could be, but generally, I don't think so. I think most people CTB when their suffering (via whatever mechanism) becomes insurmountable.

 

[Wannabehappy]

From the only person I used to be close to, I heard that I should live for her. because of my fault, because of my illnesses and mainly because of depressions and neuroses, she moved out and went to the other end of Europe. I couldn't make her put up with me but how the fuck do you live for someone who'd rather leave you in the biggest shit of your life? how can anyone have the nerve to make you live when they're not even 1% you, they've never fucking felt like you. Selfishness? selfishness is forcing you to do something you don't want.

 

[outrider567]

I don't care if its selfish or not

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It's selfish is the standpoint that you are doing it for yourself and what is best for you. Those that actually ctb need to take others out of the equation. Isn't that basically the definition of selfish.....................doing something for oneself without consideration of others? It's pretty hard to ctb if you're concerned about other's feelings, or how they might react, or how they'd get along without you, etc.

 

[fracturedviolence]

in a way yes but it's also pretty selfish to force someone to live and suffer when they don't want to. it's subjective, morality when it comes to this topic is tough to find peace in.

 

[No longer suicidal😁]

Well, I didn't ask for this life so at least I should have the option to leave it. Plus, if CTBing is selfish then being enforced to continue to live despite the suffering just for others' amusement is selfish too.

 

[SamTam33]

Unless your life belongs to someone else, I don't see how it could be considered selfish.

If you wanted to sell your car, that's not selfish. But if it was a car you shared with someone else - selling it on your own would be selfish IMO.

I do struggle with how I feel about parents of young kids ctb'ing. Bringing kids here then bailing on them (while leaving them stuck behind) rubs me the wrong way.

 

[spixs_macaw]

I also don't think it's selfish. I have to live with myself and all my issues. I am trying not to think so much about my family and friends though.

 

[Sammie]

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Unless your life belongs to someone else, I don't see how it could be considered selfish.

If you wanted to sell your car, that's not selfish. But if it was a car you shared with someone else - selling it on your own would be selfish IMO.

I do struggle with how I feel about parents of young kids ctb'ing. Bringing kids here then bailing on them (while leaving them stuck behind) rubs me the wrong way.

I agree this is a sad circumstance but does occur because, unfortunately, there are depressed people who have children....this can be positive in giving the person a reason to live as well as contributing to life fulfillment and joy. Having a child gave me passion to be better and do better in order to provide a comfortable life for my child, and I was a phenomenal parent while I also worked on myself and earned a degree. However, my health and mental status have declined and I've been struggling internally for many years, it's gotten to the point of exhaustion and everything keeps going to shit, basically.
I do believe that sadly, when it comes to highly depressed/mentally instable parents with small children, that the thought of leaving them behind could be a reason for catastrophic endings in which they take their children with them when they ctb. This is a sad reality where, instead of children being a positive reason to improve their lives, it goes the opposite direction...in this case it is better to leave children behind as they at least will have a chance at life, but it is sad in any case for a parent to leave their child.
I had never thought about doing something like that ever, that is so awful. So I agree with you, and I also feel that even when they become adults and we get older and life tends to get more and more difficult to keep up with, our lives still belong to them....it is super difficult not to think about them ever.

 

[Utada]

I think that what is more selfish is to force us to continue to live, against our own wishes.

 

[LookingOverTheEdge]

Is it selfish to CTB in order to end our suffering? Or is it selfish of our loves ones to want us to stick around and suffer just to make them happy?

Both, I think. Therein lies the problem. I would imagine most people will leave behind some damage by suicide, but I also understand why people can't bear the pain they are going through and want a way out. It's horrible all round really

 

[SaylorTwift]

I think it is selfish of happy, well functioning individuals to ignore trauma survivors and people struggling with CTB impulses, refusing them the help they need to keep on living. An individual case of CTB is usually the result of an insufficient support network. CTB is something you are forced to do when life is too horrible to continue living. At least this is my experience.

 

[Unending]

If it's selfish to ctb, then it is just as selfish to try to keep someone from ctb'ing. I am not aware of a good argument against individuals retaining their bodily autonomy when it comes to this. I personally think that would be hypocritical. Unfortunately, despite believing this I am still kind of stuck at the moment due to the whole emotional aspect I suppose. Just as much as I am angry at my parents for birthing me, I worry about what path one of them specifically could end up on over this. I guess that makes me not fully ready to leave but damn it, if that's the case, I am afraid of what "fully ready" entails in terms of suffering.

 

[ryo the frog]

depends, not everyone can say there would be someone who'd mourn them. but for those who can in that regard than yes, you're putting your own convenience before others. and not just in a taking-the-bigger-slice-of-the-cake way that every living thing does. there's a chance that someone would never get over it. and from what Ive seen, losing someone to suicide appears to be more devastating than if it where some unfortunate accident.
with that being said it's just as selfish for others to expect one to live through anything they don't want to for any reason. it is your life no one is entitled to it but you. and there are those who are treated like shit by the ones who would mourn them. besides no one asked to be brought into this absurdly bleak shit fest called existence.

though what I find really selfish is a parent (or something) committing suicide with a child, with no plan for them that is. again everyone is entitled to ending their suffering, even parents with children, but the least one could do is make sure their unwilling juvenile bastard will be fine in the aftermath.

 

[Asiam]

Imo it's selfish to wish somebody live for the explicit purpose of themselves not being hurt. Imagine this, somebody has painful end stage cancer, and you tell them it's selfish for them to let go, even though they're in insurmountable pain. It's the same thing except other forms of pain are less obvious.

It's like having a dog who's in excruciating pain, and choosing not to put him down because you want him around. It's immoral to call it selfish

 

[Illidan77]

Is it selfish to CTB in order to end our suffering? Or is it selfish of our loves ones to want us to stick around and suffer just to make them happy?

This is the exact words that I told my friend that her psychiatrist told her that ctb is selfish. Who's the one who feel the pain.. and would normal people can do it..

but err 3 days of not sleeping made me not filtering my mouth lol.. I asked this to my psychiatrist oh well she's kinda smart.. idk if it's smart or non-sensical, her answer was it is selfish but to yourself cause you're not giving yourself a chance or enough chances..

 

[WorthlessTrash]

This is the exact words that I told my friend that her psychiatrist told her that ctb is selfish. Who's the one who feel the pain.. and would normal people can do it..

but err 3 days of not sleeping made me not filtering my mouth lol.. I asked this to my psychiatrist oh well she's kinda smart.. idk if it's smart or non-sensical, her answer was it is selfish but to yourself cause you're not giving yourself a chance or enough chances..

And my retort to her question would be "how many chances are enough?".

 

[Illidan77]

@DeathDueToDysphoria yes, that's very true... and I did that actually.. I never did that ever.. oh well it's kinda blurry.. at some point, i think (idk the word... Not really good in English) i just looked down and mumble mercy.. and quickly realized and as usual pretend quoting Camus (which I knew from a friend who also introduced me here)..
but err.. idk the order of things.. She's very pro-life and actually trying many times to have a child.. and said i think 'So what I should have to do.." or something like that..
i should never said it in the first place.. but err probably it should be in another thread.. but yes. i agree 100%

and to OP, i'm not sure mixing those drugs is good idea.. i was prescribed with tca before.. but not sure the lethality of it... but i think benzo even mixed with alcohol isn't lethal enough.. (but err not sure if combined with the others)