akrasia

akrasia

-hugs-
Feb 11, 2020
153
I know that some people develop depression over time from stress, trauma, etc. And I know that genetic also plays a role in this. But is it possible that someone who's live a good life (for example, caring family, good income, no traumatic events) to have depression? or any other mental illness
 
G

Ghost2211

Archangel
Jan 20, 2020
6,017
Depression can be a genetic factor, and children with depressed parents are more likely to be depressed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: IamAGhost, Let'sgetoutofHERE and akrasia
511115

511115

_.__-_.__
Jan 4, 2019
45
In my DBT class we learned that some people are born highly sensitized to their surroundings, probably due to stress of the mother constantly releasing cortisol in her body, basically cooking the baby in stress stew. So you basically come out of the womb on high alert and dont stand a chance in the real world, so cool right.

My mom was only in a super traumatic car accident and suffered a head injury + totaled the car while I was stewing in her womb, no biggie.
 
  • Like
  • Aww..
  • Wow
Reactions: weepingfree, LMLN, Let'sgetoutofHERE and 3 others
akrasia

akrasia

-hugs-
Feb 11, 2020
153
In my DBT class we learned that some people are born highly sensitized to their surroundings, probably due to stress of the mother constantly releasing cortisol in her body, basically cooking the baby in stress stew. So you basically come out of the womb on high alert and dont stand a chance in the real world, so cool right.

My mom was only in a super traumatic car accident and suffered a head injury + totaled the car while I was stewing in her womb, no biggie.
What does DBT stand for? I never knew that stress during pregnancy could affect the baby to be highly sensitive. Maybe that's why I'm so sensitive. I'm sorry about the car accident, it's amazing that you survive though.
 
511115

511115

_.__-_.__
Jan 4, 2019
45
What does DBT stand for? I never knew that stress during pregnancy could affect the baby to be highly sensitive. Maybe that's why I'm so sensitive. I'm sorry about the car accident, it's amazing that you survive though.

Dialectical Behavioral Therapy.

Yep, something about the cortisol constantly stimulating the baby I think? And I think it may cause brain changes in the emotional regulation department. It's been a while so I'm pretty fuzzy on the exact science.

Amazingly shitty right? I could have been wiped out before I was even born. Sigh.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: I_love_to_bake, dyingtodie, BFishy and 1 other person
C

cazwiz

Member
Feb 25, 2020
83
It makes sense. You're receiving the same blood supply.
 
LMLN

LMLN

Paragon
Aug 10, 2019
929
In my DBT class we learned that some people are born highly sensitized to their surroundings, probably due to stress of the mother constantly releasing cortisol in her body, basically cooking the baby in stress stew. So you basically come out of the womb on high alert and dont stand a chance in the real world, so cool right.

My mom was only in a super traumatic car accident and suffered a head injury + totaled the car while I was stewing in her womb, no biggie.
No wonder I've always been sooo sensitive to stress and have spent my life depressed. Plus my parents did not cope with life stressors well and depended on me from a very young age to help and support them.
 
sangfroid

sangfroid

A voice heard long ago
Feb 1, 2020
28
I'm sure some people are. I think I was born anxious, I can remember having the same anxiety symptoms when I was 5 as I do now.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LMLN
faust

faust

lost among the stars
Jan 26, 2020
3,138
Kids are usually more inclined to be happy and most of the depressions appear at teen age when people start loosing that "childish" happiness. However, some of the kids start developing depression at very young age. I will try to do a research on this topic at night and give you an answer if such exists.
 
  • Love
Reactions: akrasia
M

MoreThanAFeeling

Specialist
Feb 23, 2020
392
I wasn't born with depression... I wasn't suppose to be born in the first place. Life isn't for someone like me. Up until now, I have been only existing because I don't see a point in living.
 
  • Hugs
  • Aww..
Reactions: akrasia and sangfroid
D

Deleted member 1465

_
Jul 31, 2018
6,914
some people are born highly sensitized to their surroundings, probably due to stress of the mother constantly releasing cortisol in her body, basically cooking the baby in stress stew.
I didn't know that. Makes sense. Interesting.
Kids are usually more inclined to be happy and most of the depressions appear at teen age when people start loosing that "childish" happiness. However, some of the kids start developing depression at very young age. I will try to do a research on this topic at night and give you an answer if such exists.
Is the genetic component only expressed at a certain age, ie. the hormonal changes of puberty?
 
BPD Barbie

BPD Barbie

Visionary
Dec 1, 2019
2,361
I read an article where you can develop depression if your parents were depressed. But I can't find it now, was a really good and interesting read.
 
  • Like
Reactions: akrasia
faust

faust

lost among the stars
Jan 26, 2020
3,138
I didn't know that. Makes sense. Interesting.

Is the genetic component only expressed at a certain age, ie. the hormonal changes of puberty?
I think it is something concerning evolution. Kids technically have to learn everything to be prepared for an adult life. Many species are born helpless. It is crucial to develop. So maybe there is any block which makes us less prone to depression for a while. Cannot tell that without a deep research.
 
Mr2005

Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
3,622
Born depressed? I doubt it. There may be something in the genes that means they're predisposed or it's how they're raised. Either way it'll show over time. I was fine until I became an adult
 
  • Like
Reactions: akrasia and CarefulWithThatAxe
IamAGhost

IamAGhost

Member
Feb 16, 2020
6
In my DBT class we learned that some people are born highly sensitized to their surroundings, probably due to stress of the mother constantly releasing cortisol in her body, basically cooking the baby in stress stew. So you basically come out of the womb on high alert and dont stand a chance in the real world, so cool right.

My mom was only in a super traumatic car accident and suffered a head injury + totaled the car while I was stewing in her womb, no biggie.
its not fair right, my dad was manipulative and narcissistic with my mother during pregnancy
 
D

Deleted member 1465

_
Jul 31, 2018
6,914
Mmm I had a happy childhood but there were signs of something. Didn't come out till 17.
 
Carrotcake

Carrotcake

Experienced
Nov 27, 2019
265
I don't think you come out of the womb depressed. But I think certain people are more susceptible to mental illness than others.

The development of some mental illnesses is related to stressors/trauma's but I do believe one can become mentally ill, despite having a good life. Just like with physical diseases, it can happen to anyone.
 
  • Like
Reactions: akrasia and sangfroid
D

Deleted member 1465

_
Jul 31, 2018
6,914
I've also seen people who have been through hell and come out the other side fine, stronger even.
 
  • Like
Reactions: akrasia
faust

faust

lost among the stars
Jan 26, 2020
3,138
Alright, I did a research as promised. And I got this:

Depression does not have a clear pattern of inheritance in families. People who have a first-degree relative (for example, a parent or sibling) with depression appear to have a two to three times greater risk of developing the condition than the general public. However, many people who develop depression do not have a family history of the disorder, and many people with an affected relative never develop the disorder.
Source: https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/depression#inheritance

Is there a "depression gene"? Some diseases are caused by a single defective gene. Cystic fibrosis, several kinds of muscular dystrophy, and Huntington's disease are examples. These are usually rare diseases. But many common disorders like depression, diabetes and high blood pressure are also influenced by genes. In these disorders, there seem to be combinations of genetic changes that predispose some people to become ill. We don't yet know how many genes are involved in depression, but it is very doubtful that any one gene causes depression in any large number of people.
So no one simply "inherits" depression from their mother or father. Each person inherits a unique combination of genes from their mother and father, and certain combinations can predispose to a particular illness.
Source: https://med.stanford.edu/depressiongenetics/mddandgenes.html

A British research team recently isolated a gene that appears to be prevalent in multiple family members with depression. The chromosome 3p25-26 was found in more than 800 families with recurrent depression. Scientists believe that as many as 40 percent of those with depression can trace it to a genetic link. Environmental and other factors make up the other 60 percent.
Research has also shown that people with parents or siblings who have depression are up to three times more likely to have the condition. This can be due to heredity or environmental factors that have a strong influence.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/depression/genetic#genetics

Major depressive disorder (MDD) is common and moderately heritable. Recurrence and early age at onset characterize cases with the greatest familial risk. Major depressive disorder and the neuroticism personality trait have overlapping genetic susceptibilities. Most genetic studies of MDD have considered a small set of functional polymorphisms relevant to monoaminergic neurotransmission. Meta-analyses suggest small positive associations between the polymorphism in the serotonin transporter promoter region (5-HTTLPR) and bipolar disorder, suicidal behavior, and depression-related personality traits but not yet to MDD itself.
Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7467426_The_Genetics_of_Depression_A_Review

Along with tracking the mothers' depressive symptoms throughout gestation, U-M researchers took samples of umbilical cord blood right after birth. They found elevated levels of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) in babies born to mothers with depression. ACTH tells the adrenal gland to produce the stress hormone cortisol. Cortisol levels, however, were similar in children of mothers with varying levels of depression, likely an indication of the high level of stress associated with the birth itself, the researchers note.
Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101209101352.htm

Attachment is a deep emotional bond that a baby forms with the person who provides most of his/her care (usually the mother). A 'secure attachment' forms when a mother responds to her baby's needs consistently in warm and sensitive ways. Holding, rocking or talking softly to a baby all help promote attachment. Attachment helps provide a solid base from which a baby can explore the world. It makes a baby feel safe and secure, and helps them learn to trust other people.
A mother who is depressed may have trouble responding to her baby in a loving and caring way all the time. This can lead to an 'insecure attachment', which can cause problems during infancy and later in childhood.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724170/

However, research shows that approximately 1 percent of infants meet the criteria for major depression, compared to 4 percent of preschoolers, 5 percent of school-aged children, and 11 percent of adolescents. Although children can be depressed at any stage, research shows that symptoms of depression vary depending on development. Since babies are not capable of verbally expressing themselves, symptoms of pediatric depression are the most difficult to identify.
Source: https://www.guilford.com/books/Handbook-of-Depression/Gotlib-Hammen/9781462524167
 
  • Love
  • Like
Reactions: highlyvolatile, akrasia and I_love_to_bake
O

Otter

Experienced
Feb 10, 2020
263
Sure you can be born depressed. Many babies even die from it. Lookup failure to thrive
-----------------------------------------
Alright, I did a research as promised. And I got this:

Depression does not have a clear pattern of inheritance in families. People who have a first-degree relative (for example, a parent or sibling) with depression appear to have a two to three times greater risk of developing the condition than the general public. However, many people who develop depression do not have a family history of the disorder, and many people with an affected relative never develop the disorder.
Source: https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/depression#inheritance

Is there a "depression gene"? Some diseases are caused by a single defective gene. Cystic fibrosis, several kinds of muscular dystrophy, and Huntington's disease are examples. These are usually rare diseases. But many common disorders like depression, diabetes and high blood pressure are also influenced by genes. In these disorders, there seem to be combinations of genetic changes that predispose some people to become ill. We don't yet know how many genes are involved in depression, but it is very doubtful that any one gene causes depression in any large number of people.
So no one simply "inherits" depression from their mother or father. Each person inherits a unique combination of genes from their mother and father, and certain combinations can predispose to a particular illness.
Source: https://med.stanford.edu/depressiongenetics/mddandgenes.html

A British research team recently isolated a gene that appears to be prevalent in multiple family members with depression. The chromosome 3p25-26 was found in more than 800 families with recurrent depression. Scientists believe that as many as 40 percent of those with depression can trace it to a genetic link. Environmental and other factors make up the other 60 percent.
Research has also shown that people with parents or siblings who have depression are up to three times more likely to have the condition. This can be due to heredity or environmental factors that have a strong influence.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/depression/genetic#genetics

Major depressive disorder (MDD) is common and moderately heritable. Recurrence and early age at onset characterize cases with the greatest familial risk. Major depressive disorder and the neuroticism personality trait have overlapping genetic susceptibilities. Most genetic studies of MDD have considered a small set of functional polymorphisms relevant to monoaminergic neurotransmission. Meta-analyses suggest small positive associations between the polymorphism in the serotonin transporter promoter region (5-HTTLPR) and bipolar disorder, suicidal behavior, and depression-related personality traits but not yet to MDD itself.
Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7467426_The_Genetics_of_Depression_A_Review

Along with tracking the mothers' depressive symptoms throughout gestation, U-M researchers took samples of umbilical cord blood right after birth. They found elevated levels of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) in babies born to mothers with depression. ACTH tells the adrenal gland to produce the stress hormone cortisol. Cortisol levels, however, were similar in children of mothers with varying levels of depression, likely an indication of the high level of stress associated with the birth itself, the researchers note.
Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101209101352.htm

Attachment is a deep emotional bond that a baby forms with the person who provides most of his/her care (usually the mother). A 'secure attachment' forms when a mother responds to her baby's needs consistently in warm and sensitive ways. Holding, rocking or talking softly to a baby all help promote attachment. Attachment helps provide a solid base from which a baby can explore the world. It makes a baby feel safe and secure, and helps them learn to trust other people.
A mother who is depressed may have trouble responding to her baby in a loving and caring way all the time. This can lead to an 'insecure attachment', which can cause problems during infancy and later in childhood.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724170/

However, research shows that approximately 1 percent of infants meet the criteria for major depression, compared to 4 percent of preschoolers, 5 percent of school-aged children, and 11 percent of adolescents. Although children can be depressed at any stage, research shows that symptoms of depression vary depending on development. Since babies are not capable of verbally expressing themselves, symptoms of pediatric depression are the most difficult to identify.
Source: https://www.guilford.com/books/Handbook-of-Depression/Gotlib-Hammen/9781462524167
Gosh, Faust! thanks for all the research!
 
Last edited:
  • Love
Reactions: faust
I_love_to_bake

I_love_to_bake

Student
Feb 27, 2020
167
Faust has answered virtually all possible questions on this topic, big thanks! Learned a lot.

So, celebrities can suffer from loneliness despite being constantly surrounded by people. Because loneliness is complicated. And so is depression.

I definitely believe that someone living a "good life" can still suffer from extreme depression. Drug abuse is one clear-cut example of this. If you damage your brain too much, it can be very hard to recover. The genetic component stuff has been covered, but obviously that's another example.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: highlyvolatile, akrasia and faust
akrasia

akrasia

-hugs-
Feb 11, 2020
153
Alright, I did a research as promised. And I got this:

Depression does not have a clear pattern of inheritance in families. People who have a first-degree relative (for example, a parent or sibling) with depression appear to have a two to three times greater risk of developing the condition than the general public. However, many people who develop depression do not have a family history of the disorder, and many people with an affected relative never develop the disorder.
Source: https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/depression#inheritance

Is there a "depression gene"? Some diseases are caused by a single defective gene. Cystic fibrosis, several kinds of muscular dystrophy, and Huntington's disease are examples. These are usually rare diseases. But many common disorders like depression, diabetes and high blood pressure are also influenced by genes. In these disorders, there seem to be combinations of genetic changes that predispose some people to become ill. We don't yet know how many genes are involved in depression, but it is very doubtful that any one gene causes depression in any large number of people.
So no one simply "inherits" depression from their mother or father. Each person inherits a unique combination of genes from their mother and father, and certain combinations can predispose to a particular illness.
Source: https://med.stanford.edu/depressiongenetics/mddandgenes.html

A British research team recently isolated a gene that appears to be prevalent in multiple family members with depression. The chromosome 3p25-26 was found in more than 800 families with recurrent depression. Scientists believe that as many as 40 percent of those with depression can trace it to a genetic link. Environmental and other factors make up the other 60 percent.
Research has also shown that people with parents or siblings who have depression are up to three times more likely to have the condition. This can be due to heredity or environmental factors that have a strong influence.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/depression/genetic#genetics

Major depressive disorder (MDD) is common and moderately heritable. Recurrence and early age at onset characterize cases with the greatest familial risk. Major depressive disorder and the neuroticism personality trait have overlapping genetic susceptibilities. Most genetic studies of MDD have considered a small set of functional polymorphisms relevant to monoaminergic neurotransmission. Meta-analyses suggest small positive associations between the polymorphism in the serotonin transporter promoter region (5-HTTLPR) and bipolar disorder, suicidal behavior, and depression-related personality traits but not yet to MDD itself.
Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7467426_The_Genetics_of_Depression_A_Review

Along with tracking the mothers' depressive symptoms throughout gestation, U-M researchers took samples of umbilical cord blood right after birth. They found elevated levels of adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) in babies born to mothers with depression. ACTH tells the adrenal gland to produce the stress hormone cortisol. Cortisol levels, however, were similar in children of mothers with varying levels of depression, likely an indication of the high level of stress associated with the birth itself, the researchers note.
Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101209101352.htm

Attachment is a deep emotional bond that a baby forms with the person who provides most of his/her care (usually the mother). A 'secure attachment' forms when a mother responds to her baby's needs consistently in warm and sensitive ways. Holding, rocking or talking softly to a baby all help promote attachment. Attachment helps provide a solid base from which a baby can explore the world. It makes a baby feel safe and secure, and helps them learn to trust other people.
A mother who is depressed may have trouble responding to her baby in a loving and caring way all the time. This can lead to an 'insecure attachment', which can cause problems during infancy and later in childhood.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724170/

However, research shows that approximately 1 percent of infants meet the criteria for major depression, compared to 4 percent of preschoolers, 5 percent of school-aged children, and 11 percent of adolescents. Although children can be depressed at any stage, research shows that symptoms of depression vary depending on development. Since babies are not capable of verbally expressing themselves, symptoms of pediatric depression are the most difficult to identify.
Source: https://www.guilford.com/books/Handbook-of-Depression/Gotlib-Hammen/9781462524167
Wow! Thank you faust! ❤️
 
  • Love
Reactions: faust
faust

faust

lost among the stars
Jan 26, 2020
3,138
@Otter @I_love_to_bake @akrasia
Thank You, guys! Information is power!:hug:
 
  • Hugs
Reactions: akrasia
SuicideBoys93

SuicideBoys93

I am the lord of loneliness.
Feb 10, 2020
324
I'm not so sure you're born with it. I feel like if one of the parents in the home is struggling with mental health, you're at risk. As the brain matures I believe you look back at your past to help mold the person you're becoming. Therefore that behavior is engraved into your conscious, and now your brain is using what you feel is normal against you. I never had problems as a kid or teenager. Mix in the added stress of adulting, and boom you're stuck with the what happened question.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sufferingalways
Proto

Proto

Student
Jan 21, 2020
117
It's definitely a genetic factor most of my family has it. So I'd say yes.
 
AlreadyGone

AlreadyGone

Taking it day by day
Jan 11, 2020
917
I don't think you are born with it. I am of the belief that external factors will play a role in someone being depressed or not.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sufferingalways

Similar threads

drearybreadd
Replies
0
Views
137
Recovery
drearybreadd
drearybreadd
dazed.daydreamer
Replies
2
Views
222
Suicide Discussion
dazed.daydreamer
dazed.daydreamer
qualityOV3Rquantity
Replies
28
Views
977
Suicide Discussion
wren-briar
W