Is it easier to drink SN than pulling a trigger?

[Tommen Baratheon]

Tried CO but the room was probably too big and not sealed enough, tried gun but couldn't get myself to pull the trigger, got some potassium nitrite on the way tho hopefully I can take some benzos then chug it before I drift to sleep

Many people on this forum glorify SN, but I don't think they fully realize what the effects are. If it were as easy as taking SN with some benzos everybody would do it.

In 'Dignified Dying' Boudewijn Chabot describes a guy taking an overdose of chloroquine. He was supposed to take take 2 kinds of sleeping meds: a fast working and a long working. He neglected to take the long working sleeping meds. So he woke up in agony and chest pains, because the chloroquine was causing heart problems. Oh, he died alright, but it wasn't pleasant.

SN is a poison. Your body will react to it. Personally, I don't believe it is a peaceful way to go.

 

[android]

Many people on this forum glorify SN, but I don't think they fully realize what the effects are. If it were as easy as taking SN with some benzos everybody would do it.

In 'Dignified Dying' Boudewijn Chabot describes a guy taking an overdose of chloroquine. He was supposed to take take 2 kinds of sleeping meds: a fast working and a long working. He neglected to take the long working sleeping meds. So he woke up in agony and chest pains, because the chloroquine was causing heart problems. Oh, he died alright, but it wasn't pleasant.

SN is a poison. Your body will react to it. Personally, I don't believe it is a peaceful way to go.

Then what is the most peaceful way to go

 

[iced.fscat]

for the most part, I don't think there is a truly peaceful way out. However, that's just my personal belief

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Then what is the most peaceful way to go

My great-grandfather died in his is sleep. He was in his nineties. I don't want to be that old, but I'd sign for a death like that.

Furthermore: OD by morphine, heroin, fentanyl, nembutal, ... The doctors in Belgium use thiopental, propofol, morphine and barbiturates for euthansia, so those must be good.

Unfortunately, those are not easy to come by. I wish there was such a thing as Drion's pill, available at your local pharmacy.

 

[braintorture]

If you can't blow your brains out because you are scared practice with a water gun. I tried that and got used to it and overcame my fear. While it's not my method anymore I still recommend you that. SN is much slower to mill you compared to a gunshot - you'll die immediately and barely feel anything

 

[Gangrel]

personally gun is much scarier

 

[Carryline]

I do not have personal experience but I believe that SN is easier, depends where you live but I also believe that it is easier to buy SN than a gun... and also somehow I think SN is less brutall than a gun

 

[ilovenewyork]

Get the trajectory wrong with a gun even slightly and you're in for a very traumatic experience. And it's very hard to know what structure you're aiming at as everyone's biology and spacing is a little unique and there's no line of sight. So people guess in the moment and miss the brainstem and bleed out from the head while paralyzed and choking and often conscious. Guns are effective at killing, but weren't designed to deliver a peaceful death, or even a quick death. The goal is to incapacitate quickly.

 

[Johnny99]

I feel like it should be easy if you are angry enough at the world. And I am. I am already building up rage inside me.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

personally gun is much scarier

I know it's probably wrong but the more I think about it the more I prefer hanging to a gun. I know logically that a shotgun is instantaneous but something about hitting your head with metal seems too brutal.

 

[Claymore7274]

i feel like any action that would result in extreme damage to yourself or death is very hard to do, but i would say drinking sn is easier, personally i rather shoot myself

 

[itsgone2]

My great-grandfather died in his is sleep. He was in his nineties. I don't want to be that old, but I'd sign for a death like that.

First, what an amazing life for your grandfather. I wish I had peace, could live that long, and the great fortune to go out like that.

Guns might be easier if you're used to them. I've known four to go that way and all were into guns.

I think about it a lot but am a novice. Drinking may be easier but then also more difficult to obtain

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Get the trajectory wrong with a gun even slightly and you're in for a very traumatic experience. And it's very hard to know what structure you're aiming at as everyone's biology and spacing is a little unique and there's no line of sight. So people guess in the moment and miss the brainstem and bleed out from the head while paralyzed and choking and often conscious. Guns are effective at killing, but weren't designed to deliver a peaceful death, or even a quick death. The goal is to incapacitate quickly.

Is there any examples of people aiming for the brainstem, with a sufficiently powerful firearm, that have survived? I've never heard of any? It's possible with a weak caliber bullet.

You could also take fail safe measures, if you're smart about it. Go deep into the woods, and put your head in a noose before pulling the trigger. Make sure nobody can save you. Take aspirin to thin your blood.

Even in the worst case scenario that you don't die instantly, you'll almost certainly be knocked unconscious and the noose will finish the job without you feeling anything.

Even people who made the mistake of aiming under the chin, were usually knocked unconscious from the blow, and likely would bleed out if nobody got them swift medical attention. Most of the failures with guns seem to be from poor knowledge or planning or impulsive drunken attempts. Those factors would be problematic for any method.

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

I do not think one method is particularly easier than the other. People think guns make everything easy but I have seen a few threads here where people just could not pull the trigger. On the other hand, people here have also not been able to drink SN. I think it ia more about where you are mentally going into your attempt than the method.

In reality, statistics show that those who own a gun are four times more likely to commit suicide than someone who doesn't. This clearly demonstrates that using a firearm makes things much easier.

 

[Unlucky777]

If you can't blow your brains out because you are scared practice with a water gun. I tried that and got used to it and overcame my fear. While it's not my method anymore I still recommend you that. SN is much slower to mill you compared to a gunshot - you'll die immediately and barely feel anything

I will have to give this a shot if one day I can get a gun. Pun not intended. Thanks

 

[Forgetting5]

I imagine it would be slightly easier to make yourself drink something than make yourself pull a trigger.

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

Is there any examples of people aiming for the brainstem, with a sufficiently powerful firearm, that have survived? I've never heard of any? It's possible with a weak caliber bullet.

You could also take fail safe measures, if you're smart about it. Go deep into the woods, and put your head in a noose before pulling the trigger. Make sure nobody can save you. Take aspirin to thin your blood.

Even in the worst case scenario that you don't die instantly, you'll almost certainly be knocked unconscious and the noose will finish the job without you feeling anything.

Even people who made the mistake of aiming under the chin, were usually knocked unconscious from the blow, and likely would bleed out if nobody got them swift medical attention. Most of the failures with guns seem to be from poor knowledge or planning or impulsive drunken attempts. Those factors would be problematic for any method.

What you've written demonstrates a poor understanding of the phenomenon of suicide. A person who shoots themselves with a noose around their neck is someone who has orchestrated a Machiavellian end to their life. This is an extremely rare situation. Suicides involving firearms, in 90% of cases, occur in a state of agitation, with a clouded mind. Planning a suicide is not the rule, it's the exception.

The majority of those who die from a gunshot wound to the head do not have damage to the brainstem.

 

[Forveleth]

In reality, statistics show that those who own a gun are four times more likely to commit suicide than someone who doesn't. This clearly demonstrates that using a firearm makes things much easier.

Does it make things easier or does it just make the attempt less survivable? In other words, those who manage to pull the trigger are less likely to live, this does not mean it is easier to make the attempt.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

What you've written demonstrates a poor understanding of the phenomenon of suicide. A person who shoots themselves with a noose around their neck is someone who has orchestrated a Machiavellian end to their life. This is an extremely rare situation. Suicides involving firearms, in 90% of cases, occur in a state of agitation, with a clouded mind. Planning a suicide is not the rule, it's the exception.

The majority of those who die from a gunshot wound to the head do not have damage to the brainstem.

You're assuming I'm not aware of this.

I very clearly stated in my post, the reasons people fail with a firearm. Which shows you didn't really read what I wrote.

This site is about getting properly informed on effective methods and putting a sensible plan in place so you don't fail.

And I'm not sure why you're throwing around terms like "machiavellian"? Ensuring that you take measures to succeed with a firearm, rather than fail - with the obvious dire consequences - is sensible/intelligent.

I would assume most people on this site, are looking to do a better job than the poor unfortunate people you're referring to. So why would I be focussing my message on anyone other than the people on this site?

I feel sorry for anyone that picks up a gun in a highly emotional and/or drunken state with poor knowledge and makes a terrible mistake… all we can do is spread better information on this site.

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

Does it make things easier or does it just make the attempt less survivable? In other words, those who manage to pull the trigger are less likely to live, this does not mean it is easier to make the attempt.

In reality, both statements are true: having a firearm available not only makes suicide attempts far more lethal, but also easier to carry out. Studies indicate that many suicidal acts are impulsive: about a third occur within 5 minutes of the decision, and two-thirds within an hour. In that brief window of crisis, the presence of a loaded and readily accessible weapon eliminates the need for planning or preparation, greatly reducing hesitation. Conversely, methods such as hanging or overdose require more time and practical steps, during which reconsideration or intervention by someone else is more likely. Research also shows that in homes with firearms, the risk of suicide is three to four times higher than in others, and that limiting access (through secure storage or temporary prohibition) reduces suicides by 50-70%. Therefore, it's not just a matter of survival: owning a firearm concretely increases the probability that a momentary impulse will become a real and irreversible act.

You're assuming I'm not aware of this.

I very clearly stated in my post, the reasons people fail with a firearm. Which shows you didn't really read what I wrote.

This site is about getting properly informed on effective methods and putting a sensible plan in place so you don't fail.

And I'm not sure why you're throwing around terms like "machiavellian"? Ensuring that you take measures to succeed with a firearm, rather than fail - with the obvious dire consequences - is sensible/intelligent.

I would assume most people on this site, are looking to do a better job than the poor unfortunate people you're referring to. So why would I be focussing my message on anyone other than the people on this site?

I feel sorry for anyone that picks up a gun in a highly emotional and/or drunken state with poor knowledge and makes a terrible mistake… all we can do is spread better information on this site.

In fact, my post only serves to support what you wrote. I'm sorry you interpreted it differently.

You are a member of this forum and theoretically a person who plans, but I have drawn a parallel with what is the reality.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

In fact, my post only serves to support what you wrote. I'm sorry you interpreted it differently.

You are a member of this forum and theoretically a person who plans, but I have drawn a parallel with what is the reality.

There's nothing particularly ground breaking about pointing out that many people act impulsively with firearms.

Hopefully this community will have a different statistical dynamic than in general society, because of better knowledge and planning. I'm confident it does, and I'm confident this site has saved many people from such terrible mistakes.

You should try not to make assumptions regarding people's knowledge on topics. It makes you look confrontational, which is not necessary around here.

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

There's nothing particularly ground breaking about pointing out that many people act impulsively with firearms.

Hopefully this community will have a different statistical dynamic than in general society, because of better knowledge and planning. I'm confident it does, and I'm confident this site has saved many people from such terrible mistakes.

You should try not to make assumptions regarding people's knowledge on topics. It makes you look confrontational, which is not necessary around here.

It must also be considered that a person who shoots themselves in the head, in the vast majority of cases, dies immediately or suffers a massive hemorrhage. In any case, they lose consciousness. If they fall into a noose with that hemorrhage and, by some extremely rare twist of fate, were still conscious, it certainly wouldn't take them 5 to 15 seconds to lose consciousness, but it would be much faster.
However, aspirin is a false myth; it's completely useless in this case.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

It must also be considered that a person who shoots themselves in the head, in the vast majority of cases, dies immediately or suffers a massive hemorrhage. In any case, they lose consciousness. If they fall into a noose with that hemorrhage and, by some extremely rare twist of fate, were still conscious, it certainly wouldn't take them 5 to 15 seconds to lose consciousness, but it would be much faster.
However, aspirin is a false myth; it's completely useless in this case.

What do you mean by a false myth? Aspirin is a blood thinner, aiding in bleeding out quicker.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? The noose is just a failsafe, to help prevent the situation of someone failing and being in a semi conscious state and then regaining consciousness. There are sadly cases where this has happened to people.

In all likelihood, it would not be needed if you do everything else correct. The same with the aspirin. But they can also act as some additional psychological reassurance for someone who is scared with this method. Because it is a method that many people (quite rightly) are terrified of failure.

 

[Al_stargate]

If gun would be for sure and not just 98% or however much it would be easier for me. Just one impulsive move of finger and it's over. Is messy though so considering others Sn is better way to go but in a way more difficult because it takes more preparation and hype. I guess depends on every person.