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noname223

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I once read an advice by a therapist don't chase happiness in your life. It is better to strive for contentment. Not sure whether my translation is perfect.

Obviously being happy is something good. But some people have the notion that happiness was the only thing that counts in life. I see where they are coming from. And happiness is one of the most important things in life. Though, always chasing happiness doesn't really mean you become actually happy. Like Slavoj Zizek says we are often not all that aware what we really want. Sometimes we strive for something and exactly not getting it lets us remain in a condition where we idealize something feeling satisfied. Whereas when we achieve it we realize it wasn't exactly what dreamed about. It doesn't actually bring happiness. In some way this is in my opinion a story similar to "The journey is the reward."Maybe the comparison isn't perfect.

Some people in our capitalistic society think getting what we want was the main goal in life. And getting everything immeditately without work or principles was the greatest thing of all. One pillar of a content life are principles and values though. And people that get what they want without any work or exercise often tend to lack traits like discipline or a basic understanding of ethics/morality. Look at the Epstein class and people like primce Andrew from UK. (Sorry Brits for using this example...)

if we evalute all of our actions on questions like will this make me happy it is in some form slavery. It is a life lived for achieving shortterm goals. We can eat what we want. We can take drugs like we want. We can enjoy gambling. Though, we will pay a price for that when the consequences are showing. Some think a fast life is what they are striving for. And in some way my thoughts also seem to imply a life of a monk or stoic. I think they shouldn't be considered the absolutely right life. Everyone has a different view of life. And when one is on the edge of suicide I fully understand to be in a survivial mode only trying to make it to the next day. I think this is also not an advice for people who are extremely unhappy for systemic reasons. If there are roots for deep existential pain this statement can even sound cynical. But the notion also can be comforting. The people you see on social media often lie to themselves. They portray a happy life but often they are not actually happy. Some of them are imprisoned in cage where they have to pretend to be happy. Because in our society it is punished to show vulnerability and express your existential pain in life. Capitalism pretends every problem could be solved by buying something. The truth is you cannot purchase everything for example when the one thing you don't have is health.

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wishingiwasok

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My first knee jerk response is it sounds like when you use happiness it could be replaced with the word pleasure. And yes, I would agree that a life spent chasing pleasure is a form of slavery. The brain automatically becomes used to a level of pleasure over time we'd have to seek higher and higher levels using all of our time and resources to try to maintain something that isn't maintainable constantly.
 
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It's an interesting idea. In some ways- yes- I suppose we can become a slave to anything we feel compelled to chase- love, fame, money. We can also be miserable without it.

Ultimately though- I suppose we do have slightly more choice in the matter. If we realise that continually chasing elusive happiness is in fact causing us bigger problems- we can choose to try to change our perspective on life. Plus- we can live maybe just as comfortably doing so.

Actual slaves couldn't/ can't so easily change their lives. Even wage slaves have more severe consequences- if they choose to opt out of working for a living- if they don't qualify for benefits.

Even if we are addicted to something- people have been able to quit. So, can it be termed 'slavery' if we can choose not to do it? (And be able to live with the consequences.)
 
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Sometimes we strive for something and exactly not getting it lets us remain in a condition where we idealize something feeling satisfied. Whereas when we achieve it we realize it wasn't exactly what dreamed about. It doesn't actually bring happiness.
this feels like my entire existence summarized.
 
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will-keep-as-my-slave-this-year-imgflipcom-but-with-200-increase-treats
 
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seems more like you're making critique of hedonism as opposed to critiquing the pursuit of happiness in an abstract sense. Happiness is relative--every person has their own definition of what it means to them personally--and it doesn't necessarily have to involve maximizing short-term pleasures. In fact, the attainment of long-term happiness or comfort may require delayed gratification or an outright rejection of certain vices.

For example:
* I probably shouldn't eat whatever I want whenever I want if I aim to have great longitudinal health outcomes.
* I probably shouldn't spend all my money at the casino if I want to be able to pay my rent for the next 6 months and avoid homelessness.
* I probably shouldn't smoke meth if I want to avoid crippling addiction issues in the future.
* I probably shouldn't spend all night clubbing the night before a major exam.
* I probably shouldn't go on a vacation half-way across the world with the last of my savings.

People often go through great personal sacrifice to attain this elusive goal of "happiness" and the promise of a better life. Is this slavery? Well, in my opinion the answer is complicated. We could easily reorient our lives to value some other property besides happiness. But then don't we run the risk of becoming slaves to that thing too? If I decide that stoicism or some other philosophy is worth abiding by, am I not surrendering myself to someone else's conception of what a "good" life ought to look like? If I decide to dedicate my life in service of my family, my friends, my community, am I now a "slave" to those people in some sense?
 
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SoLowHollow48

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I agree with the guy saying that you might be conflating happiness with pleasure. Pleasure doesn't guarantee happiness. Like 302 said, happiness is long-term. Pleasure dissipates but happiness stays. Pleasure demands that you go to new heights, take more of things but happiness doesn't require you, doesn't ask you to do that.

To me, pleasure is more of an ego thing. You take pleasure in being at a higher rank at work but that doesn't mean that you're happy or will be happy with the long hours and much more pressing responsibilities. You get a good car and you take pleasure in how nice it sounds and looks but that doesn't mean that you're happy with having to spend money for maintenance and fuel.

So, truly, we're all slaves of pleasure but not happiness. Happiness doesn't demand and make you feel like shit for not having it. Pleasure does it. That dopamine high from drugs/sugar/porn/power abuse does it.
 
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etherealgoddess

perseverance is inevitable success
Dec 8, 2022
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I once read an advice by a therapist don't chase happiness in your life. It is better to strive for contentment. Not sure whether my translation is perfect.

Obviously being happy is something good. But some people have the notion that happiness was the only thing that counts in life. I see where they are coming from. And happiness is one of the most important things in life. Though, always chasing happiness doesn't really mean you become actually happy. Like Slavoj Zizek says we are often not all that aware what we really want. Sometimes we strive for something and exactly not getting it lets us remain in a condition where we idealize something feeling satisfied. Whereas when we achieve it we realize it wasn't exactly what dreamed about. It doesn't actually bring happiness. In some way this is in my opinion a story similar to "The journey is the reward."Maybe the comparison isn't perfect.

Some people in our capitalistic society think getting what we want was the main goal in life. And getting everything immeditately without work or principles was the greatest thing of all. One pillar of a content life are principles and values though. And people that get what they want without any work or exercise often tend to lack traits like discipline or a basic understanding of ethics/morality. Look at the Epstein class and people like primce Andrew from UK. (Sorry Brits for using this example...)

if we evalute all of our actions on questions like will this make me happy it is in some form slavery. It is a life lived for achieving shortterm goals. We can eat what we want. We can take drugs like we want. We can enjoy gambling. Though, we will pay a price for that when the consequences are showing. Some think a fast life is what they are striving for. And in some way my thoughts also seem to imply a life of a monk or stoic. I think they shouldn't be considered the absolutely right life. Everyone has a different view of life. And when one is on the edge of suicide I fully understand to be in a survivial mode only trying to make it to the next day. I think this is also not an advice for people who are extremely unhappy for systemic reasons. If there are roots for deep existential pain this statement can even sound cynical. But the notion also can be comforting. The people you see on social media often lie to themselves. They portray a happy life but often they are not actually happy. Some of them are imprisoned in cage where they have to pretend to be happy. Because in our society it is punished to show vulnerability and express your existential pain in life. Capitalism pretends every problem could be solved by buying something. The truth is you cannot purchase everything for example when the one thing you don't have is health.

What do you think?
Life in my opinion is all about feeling. Our evolution hasn't changed that much in the past 10,000 years. We don't need fancy material things to be happy. We just need our needs met and to have the space to feel. Processing your feelings will make everything make sense and not have to use philosophy.
 
buriedinmyhead

buriedinmyhead

If pain can purify the heart, mine will be pure
Mar 24, 2026
55
I think if you're constantly chasing happiness, you're idealizing it, so when you don't experience it the way you think you should, you feel worse. A lot of people chase happiness based on what society says happiness is or what brings happiness, when happiness and what brings it is very different for each person. I think striving for contentment is a better goal, as it is more attainable than pure happiness all the time.
 

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