Discussion Is everyone here an atheist?

[Suidice]

Is everyone here an atheist? Since suicide is a sin in most religions.

 

[martyrdom]

I doubt it. A lot of people who have come to seriously contemplate suicide have lost any kind of faith in a benevolent higher power (usually for good reasons) but it being a sin, like many things considered sins, can be debated and contemplated endlessly.

 

[thaelyana]

I became an atheist the day I talked to a religious person who told me that God knows exactly what our future will be, yet still punishes us if we make a mistake. So… you don't actually have free will, God already knows everything you're going to do, but He still sends you to hell for something that was basically pre-planned . And on top of that, He's the one who gives you life. At that moment, I was talking to him about suicide, and his logic completely lost me.

 

[whywere]

NOPE. I believe in GOD.

I do NOT believe in organized religion of any type, as it is man made by someone who wants to dictate to others what they think and/or believe.

Everyone is smart and everyone can make their own minds and decisions up and one does not have to go to a building and have someone else tell you how to live or think, nope never.

Walter

 

[sizzurp]

NOPE. I believe in GOD.

I do NOT believe in organized religion of any type, as it is man made by someone who wants to dictate to others what they think and/or believe.

Everyone is smart and everyone can make their own minds and decisions up and one does not have to go to a building and have someone else tell you how to live or think, nope never.

Walter

thanks for your input walter

 

[asaṅkhata]

No. But I reject bourgeois religiosity that tries to impose it's own moral values on god.

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

I'm a LaVeyan Satanist, which is an atheistic flavor of Satanism. There is no supernatural bullshit to be found in my practices, no belief in any higher power--only belief in myself. The Satanic Bible condones suicide if one is suffering so much that death will release them from that pain.

 

[Forveleth]

There are plenty of religious people on this site. Even though suicide is considered a sin it foes not prevent people from being depressed and suicidal.

 

[Macedonian1987]

I believe in God because i've read 1000s of NDE stories in the last 10 years. After reading all those stories im sure that there is a God and i strongly believe that God does not hate atheists.
I hope he will be able to forgive me my suicide. I tried to make this life work, but i failed. Im just to dumb and weak person.

 

[AntarusDragon]

I believe in God because i've read 1000s of NDE stories in the last 10 years. After reading all those stories im sure that there is a God and i strongly believe that God does not hate atheists.
I hope he will be able to forgive me my suicide. I tried to make this life work, but i failed. Im just to dumb and weak person.

You are not alone my friend.

 

[PI3.14]

I was raised in a religious household, but became an atheist at 19-20.

My decision came after watching so many debates, mostly concerning Thomas Aquinas 5 ways.

 

[Gonk]

Could be good survey question... Regardless, counter question could be, what makes me to stop me committing a sin? In most religion, the God is like a dictator of all aspects unlike real life dictators, he tries to prevent rebellion... Then I would rebel anyways, just to see how far I can go as a protest. Well... Fortunately this is not a case no longer, I do think scientifically there must be an explanation of some sort of force, matter or a thing that caused us to exist, but not in a holy, biblical way.

 

[Arvayn]

I'm an agnostic materialist, which means that I do not think there exist any forces other than physical ones, and I operate under this assumption. BUT, I am not opposed to the idea of an extra-physical force potentially being a thing, and recognize that it very well could be a reality.
As somebody who studies theology and metaphysics on the semi-regular, a lot of religion actually comes down to understanding the historical and anthropological contexts of the time its texts were written, as well as recognizing the fact that the way various concepts are defined within texts are entirely alien to the way that they're defined nowadays (for example, in Abrahamic faiths, the idea of 'goodness' is measured by the degree of your alignment with God, not by ethics or compassion; this is why God can get away with commanding genocides and rapes and still remain a perfectly good being.) Then again, I'm probably not the target audience for this question because I'm neither depressed nor suicidal... >.>

Anyway, afterlife plans for me:

Plan A - Heaven is real and I am turned into metaphorical divine compost. Not happening, as I am too much of a sinner.
Plan B - Hell is real and AAHHHHH OH GOD OH FUCK FUCK FUUCK AAAHHHH SOMEONE HELP ME
Plan C - Plot twist, neither Heaven nor Hell are real, it's only Sheol and Gehenna! (I'm probably going to Sheol, which is basically spiritual stillness/limbo)
Plan D - Plan C, but I somehow pull an Elisha/Enoch, achieve apotheosis and become an angel. Hopefully won't happen, seeing as I quite enjoy my free will...
Plan E - I become a ghost and can just dick around haunting people in the mortal world. This is the ideal scenario.
Plan F - There is no afterlife and

 

[rustcohle4life]

Agnostic here. I think organized religion is a man made scam. Otherwise i don't know what to make of it.

 

[bluegodism]

i am a panentheist.

 

[Forever Sleep]

We have a mix here I think:

Poll: Are you religious?

Which religion do you belong to (if any), and how do you reason your thoughts of suicide with your religion? I am Catholic and my suicide thoughts conflict a lot with my religion because it means the rejection of life itself. I kind of see it on the same level as murder (same rejection of...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Maybe a majority of members are atheist. I tend to get that impression. But, by no means all.

I'm really unsure myself. I wish I was an atheist in truth. It frightens me to think there might be a God/ intention behind all this.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, to me anything to do with religion is completely fictional, I see existence as a mistake, it's just suffering all for the sake of it with no limit as to how much one can be tortured and I'll just always prefer to not exist than suffer, I could never see a point to any of this, I'll always see existing as waiting to die no matter what.

 

[itsgone2]

I'm really unsure myself. I wish I was an atheist in truth. It frightens me to think there might be a God/ intention behind all this.

Why does it frighten you? The obvious reasons I'm sure, but I don't want to assume.
I'm religious, to answer ops question.
It may be a sin but that doesn't change my belief. I've led a poor life, I know I've mistreated this gift. But I'm also tired and just need some relief.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Why does it frighten you? The obvious reasons I'm sure, but I don't want to assume.
I'm religious, to answer ops question.
It may be a sin but that doesn't change my belief. I've led a poor life, I know I've mistreated this gift. But I'm also tired and just need some relief.

I think the blueprint for how many of the systems underlying how the world works are morally evil. To create a creature that can only survive by tearing another sentient creature to bits, or, maiming it say is f*cked up! To my view anyway. Why would I even want the being that designed that as my leader?

If God is omnipotent, they must have realised that the brains and bodies they gave us were capable of descending to the most evil of actions- like raping a baby or child. Is the freedom to choose really so paramount that God will throw babies and children under the bus?

We've been limited in other ways- we can't biologically fly- for instance. Would it really have been so difficult for a God to create inhibitors to not even permit things like paedophilia? Would that really have been so difficult?

What are we supposed to take from that? That God doesn't mind paedophilia? Why would I worship a God that enables such behaviour?

Of course, some religious people will blame the evil stuff on another being- the devil. But then- isn't God stronger than the devil? Why do they allow them so much influence? Because either, they don't care about the evil and the suffering. Or, they want to be able to judge humankind. Humans need to be presented with immoral choices- so they can be judged on them- and presumably- punished. Why do that? Do they enjoy judging and punishing? Sounds sadistic to me.

I simply don't admire that style of teaching! Imagine in an exam at school that- if you fail- there are life altering consequences for another or, yourself? So- get less than an A and you end up in a pit of fire for eternity. How is that anything to do with learning? That's simply punishment.

Others will say God set things in motion but then, stepped back. Again though- God is omnipotent- right? If a washing machine manufacturer creates a product, sells it and then- the product malfunctions and causes multiple serious injuries/ death/ property damage- we sue. We try to prove that they knew the product was unsafe before they released it. So- didn't God know how their human and animal creations had the potential to turn out? Why take that risk- when they knew the suffering it would inflict on entirely innocent beings?

They surely could have made other designs where suffering wasn't so intrinsic. But- they didn't- so- why? We know they were capable. Plants aren't quite so blood thirsty as animals- usually. They photosynthesize their food. Why stray from that model into carnivours say?

Sorry to vent but- I have very strong feelings against God and religion- not those who believe though- I want to clarify. If it gives them strength and, helps them to be the version of themselves they know is good then- great.

But then yeah- there are the other nuances of condeming suicicide, damning people of other religions, sexuality etc. That's something else but yeah- all that infuriates me too.

Ultimately, I feel like I'm going to hell if there is a God. I'm hoping I'd stand by my own principles and tell them how awful I thought they were. And, I don't think God likes people who don't adore them. The irony is, my life is so dull. It's likely I've committed far less sins than a lot of 'Christians' out there. But fine- if God would prefer to surround themselves with (supposedly) rependent murderers and child rapists- fine. Hell's sounding safer all the time! I generally really like atheists too. So, maybe it's the better place for me.

 

[itsgone2]

I think the blueprint for how many of the systems underlying how the world works are morally evil. To create a creature that can only survive by tearing another sentient creature to bits, or, maiming it say is f*cked up! To my view anyway. Why would I even want the being that designed that as my leader?

If God is omnipotent, they must have realised that the brains and bodies they gave us were capable of descending to the most evil of actions- like raping a baby or child. Is the freedom to choose really so paramount that God will throw babies and children under the bus?

We've been limited in other ways- we can't biologically fly- for instance. Would it really have been so difficult for a God to create inhibitors to not even permit things like paedophilia? Would that really have been so difficult?

What are we supposed to take from that? That God doesn't mind paedophilia? Why would I worship a God that enables such behaviour?

Of course, some religious people will blame the evil stuff on another being- the devil. But then- isn't God stronger than the devil? Why do they allow them so much influence? Because either, they don't care about the evil and the suffering. Or, they want to be able to judge humankind. Humans need to be presented with immoral choices- so they can be judged on them- and presumably- punished. Why do that? Do they enjoy judging and punishing? Sounds sadistic to me.

I simply don't admire that style of teaching! Imagine in an exam at school that- if you fail- there are life altering consequences for another or, yourself? So- get less than an A and you end up in a pit of fire for eternity. How is that anything to do with learning? That's simply punishment.

Others will say God set things in motion but then, stepped back. Again though- God is omnipotent- right? If a washing machine manufacturer creates a product, sells it and then- the product malfunctions and causes multiple serious injuries/ death/ property damage- we sue. We try to prove that they knew the product was unsafe before they released it. So- didn't God know how their human and animal creations had the potential to turn out? Why take that risk- when they knew the suffering it would inflict on entirely innocent beings?

They surely could have made other designs where suffering wasn't so intrinsic. But- they didn't- so- why? We know they were capable. Plants aren't quite so blood thirsty as animals- usually. They photosynthesize their food. Why stray from that model into carnivours say?

Sorry to vent but- I have very strong feelings against God and religion- not those who believe though- I want to clarify. If it gives them strength and, helps them to be the version of themselves they know is good then- great.

But then yeah- there are the other nuances of condeming suicicide, damning people of other religions, sexuality etc. That's something else but yeah- all that infuriates me too.

Ultimately, I feel like I'm going to hell if there is a God. I'm hoping I'd stand by my own principles and tell them how awful I thought they were. And, I don't think God likes people who don't adore them. The irony is, my life is so dull. It's likely I've committed far less sins than a lot of 'Christians' out there. But fine- if God would prefer to surround themselves with (supposedly) rependent murderers and child rapists- fine. Hell's sounding safer all the time! I generally really like atheists too. So, maybe it's the better place for me.

I vent too. About many things. I get it.
You give great examples. No one can know why these things happen. A lot of my venting ties back to this. Why make me the way that I am? Why allow my mistakes that hurt others? I get it. I ask the same things a lot.
It's hard to think there's no point in this though. There must be something. There must be someone. But as time passes and atrocities continue it gets harder to hold out hope.
But if God exists, to stand in front of them would be humbling.

 

[Ashes of a Dreamer]

Not everyone, but some. In fact, religion is a way to prevent suicide, as people become frightened to act against "god's commandment", so they suffer endlessly - or not - hoping for a better outcome in the afterlife. It would be devastating for them, by the way, if there isn't anything at all on the other side, as I believe =/

 

[Keef Girgo]

There is no action a human could commit during their finite time on this Earth that would reasonably incur infinite suffering as a proportionate response, let alone for that to be the default outcome for all people. Genuinely, nothing can be crueller than the prospect of eternal conscious torment, and there is no way that I could ever love a deity that would condemn any mortal person to that fate.

I don't believe that even most Christians actually believe in this outcome, considering they are often the most enthusiastic about having children. If humans are burdened with the debt of original sin, and by default, deserving of hell, why would they choose to continue the species, and put someone in a position where they would face eternal damnation? I cannot imagine any person would be that cruel intentionally, so I must believe that religion is only a cultural thing, something intangible to build community around.

 

[kopebaldy]

I don't believe in god but sometimes I entertain the thought of him existing so I can kick him in the nuts before he throws me down to hell.

Fucking asshole I swear.