Is a Suicide a success or a failure

[diy-event]

Is suicide a succes in that someone has overcome SL and is now at peace
Or is it a failure that life was not made bearable enough to live

 

[L'absent]

Suicide is the logical consequence of a failing biology. Everyone has thought about suicide at some point. This is the only data that matters. Everyone noted the failure, even if they then decided to live for various reasons.

 

[SVEN]

If I meant to die, for me it's a success. In the random, self centred world I inhabit there isn't anyone attempting to make life generally bearable.

 

[Gonk]

Well it depends... I always lean towards what natural is the true option. Most of the time, an organism wants to live. Sure, my biology says "survive" too. However, the moment after you grasp the idea that there are other ways of judging whetever suicide is a success or failure, you may run into some crossroads about your morality and general perception of the life.

Briefly, have you ever read the Oblomov? I don't want to become an Oblomov, watching my life from sidelines while slowly fading away. Thus, staying alive becomes "failure" and ending it becomes the ultimate success.

 

[spectraltease]

Is suicide a succes in that someone has overcome SL and is now at peace
Or is it a failure that life was not made bearable enough to live

To free yourself from this misery? Sounds like a succes to me.

 

[Valhala]

Wrong question. CTB in itself is neither a success nor a failure, it is only a causal reaction to an existence burdened with pain and suffering beyond the limit that the person who plans/does CTB can bear.

 

[cali22♡]

It depends on the factor

If you don't have a view of the world anymore, then maybe it can help at that moment, but the thing is you can never undo it

 

[needsomeoptions]

For those that have successfully CTB I feel envy - like they achieved something in life I do far haven't been capable of. They are more courageous than me.

 

[broth0100]

The failure is the worlds not the individuals. If a failure is present at all

 

[tbh2023]

To leave this fucking world is a success.

 

[so_mais_um]

Suicide is the logical consequence of a failing biology. Everyone has thought about suicide at some point. This is the only data that matters. Everyone noted the failure, even if they then decided to live for various reasons.

Tbh I think most people have never thought about it

 

[lilah]

every fiber of my being thinks that it is a success.

because to me, it is the ultimate act of rebellion and the highest demonstration of integrity...

i'd rather be dead than lose my self respect and yet, this world forces me everyday to chose between dignity and life.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Most of the people here have physical or mental problems. Success does not necessarily bring happiness. You can get a good education and earn a lot of money in a prestigious job. You still may not be happy. I read stories like this a lot here. A member who is an aeronautical engineer wrote that he has everything but wants to die. On the contrary, there are people who are very happy slaving away at Walmart. What matters is that your brain tells you that you are happy. Trying to be human in the modern age with the impulsiveness of an ancient sub-brain. This is very complicated. Getting professional help may not be the solution either. Treatment-resistant bipolar, major depression, PTSD, OCD, schizophrenia... These can ruin everything. As far as I can see, the problems of people here are usually these or other physical pains. I have aspergers. Sometimes you do your best but lose in the genetic lottery. Remember, physical or mental illness is not a personal failure. This is the story of most people here.

 

[FuneralCry]

For me personally ceasing to exist truly is all I hope and wish for, suicide would be a positive solution for me to escape from and prevent unnecessary suffering, I'd always prefer to not exist than suffer in this cruel, futile existence that always felt like a terrible mistake to me. Only non-existence can bring me peace from the torturous burden of existence where there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel, death truly would be the only relief for me, non-existence is all I see as desirable as it would solve what I ultimately have a problem with which is existence itself, as long as I exist I'll only wish to never exist again.

 

[Sunset Limited]

every fiber of my being thinks that it is a success.

because to me, it is the ultimate act of rebellion and the highest demonstration of integrity...

i'd rather be dead than lose my self respect and yet, this world forces me everyday to chose between dignity and life.

Same here. I will not a slave. Never. I lived as a musician. Because I chose it. I will not exist in a way I did not choose. Especially not to pay for the welfare of a small elite group.

 

[so_mais_um]

Is suicide a succes in that someone has overcome SL and is now at peace
Or is it a failure that life was not made bearable enough to live

In my opinion suicide is not a success nor a failure. It's just a way to escape from failure, aka my life.
Suicide is not the solution. There is no solution. I already failed my life. Just a way to stop suffering (suicide).
And even if I could change my past, the present and the future, I would do suicide.

Just my opinion obviously

 

[limerance1]

Its a bit of both. Interesting question

 

[charcoalcat]

Failure in conforming to societal expectations. Success in conquering your destiny.

 

[scarecrowceb]

The way I see it personally sadness/depression is a rebellion as much as suicide is.

 

[Forever Sleep]

It's going to depend on a person's perspective. People commit suicide for all sorts of reasons. Some may do it because they feel they failed at life. Others because life failed them. They never got the breaks or support that would have made the difference. For others, it's definitely a 'success' if they were suffering with no other means of stopping that suffering.

I think it's mostly seen in terms of representing failure by pro-lifers though- a 'cowardly' act, 'the easy way out', yada yada yada. Presumably because they believe people ought to be committed to a life they didn't choose to participate in and ultimately, only have so much control over. Presumably to them- the end goal of staying alive is worth more than anything else.

I sometimes wonder whether it's wishful thinking that leads them to believe that. That everyone can in fact be helped to live a happy and fulfilling life- no matter what ails them. That seems pretty naive to me. Surely they must realise that some problems can't be solved or even mitigated all that well. In which case- the only conclusion there is is that they still expect people to hold on- even if they are in pain/ struggling. In which case- I wonder where their empathy is.

My personal view is- suicide can be tragic- in terms of- a person found they couldn't live a sustainable life here. Is it because they failed to try hard enough? Perhaps but then- why was that? What held them back? Probably a whole bunch of stuff they didn't have much control over- illness, abuse, misfortune. Why is it automatically expected of them to be utterly resilient to every shitty thing life throws at them? It's not to say they wouldn't be happier if they could learn to be more resilient but, that isn't easy for everyone.

Ultimately though- suicide is a rejection of life and all that it imposes/ expects of us. Personally- I think we do have the right to reject life. We didn't choose it after all. That was our parent's decision. What other thing in life- even things we did actually choose eg. a job or marriage are we expected to be committed to forever? Just about everything else now, people will accept it's our right to choose on.