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"You assume I want a history lesson, I dont. You assume I have singled out a post of yours, I haven't. You assume I am interested in your heritage, I'm not.

I saw a couple of posts that had religious context. I am not religious. Its part of my job as a moderator to make sure people dont proselytise or troll the forum. I am trying to prevent you from going down that particular road. If you choose to ignore my approach, that is fine. We then use the other routes open to us if you should break the rules.

You are free to speak your mind here so long as it does not break the rules, if it does, then we act. Its a very simple concept."

I told the moderator in a previous email that I would delete any offensive post. This is their answer. What do you think ? Should I CTB because my voice is inconvenient ? I feel like it. I got the drugs all stashed and ready to go. I can kill myself for any reason, and a big reason would be that I feel I and my opinions am not wanted here on this planet.
 
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I liked reading your posts. Your voice is not inconvenient ❤️
 
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First of all, it's unfair to post private messages onto a public board. Other people don't have the full context and these kind of postings attract negative bias towards the person you are talking of.

Secondly, membership of this website is free but the admins and the mods spend their valuable time to run and maintain this website. As a gratitude, if I were you I would just quietly listen to them and continue to learn, contribute, enjoy and interact within the limits set by the people who provide the means for all that we take for granted.

Thirdly, a mod/admin has privileged information and often gets complaint/concern from people about various posts in here. Even if nobody complained about you, probably the kind of content you have posted created problems in the past with other people. Hence, the mod is likely trying to avoid the same situation from arising again.

Fourthly, admins, mods and everyone in here would love more and more pro-choice people to join this forum. The more the merrier, more discussions, more interactions, more viewpoints. Hence, they wouldn't try to intimidate a member and force them to quit membership.

Fifthly, if I may hazard a guess, you probably posted something related to religion and your post was likely long. Religion is a sensitive topic in and out of this web space. For eg., as much as you love Jesus, there might be people in here who are hardcore atheists. Both have equal rights to have beliefs. But just like you wouldn't want an atheist to make fun of your Christian beliefs, an atheist would not want Jesus appearing in conversations happening here.

Sixthly, and most importantly, everyone in here needs love and we all love each other here. You have been here almost 4 months with almost 400 messages and a reaction score of 400. Your membership wouldn't last this long if we didn't love you.

I suggest you read between the lines what the mod implies when they said, "I am trying to prevent you from going down that particular road." They want you here, hence they are trying to moderate your activities before you inadvertently hurt someone.

TL;DR - @c824767 , we, including the mod, like you and appreciate your company. Let's respect the diversity of beliefs and the sensitivity of believers and non-believers alike. :-)
 
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You want to kill yourself because admin told you to stop posting religious stuff? You are insane...
 
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I totally agree with ThingWithFeathers. It's a privilege to be a member of this forum and let's not abuse it. If you threaten to kill yourself over something like this, you make the work of the moderators more difficult, the crew might decide it's not worth the effort to keep this forum up and running, and it might attract negative attention to this place. Besides, a trifle like this shouldn't be a reason for you to leave, neither this forum nor this world. I suggest you simply calm down and tone down your religious views a little bit. You're a respected member of this forum and I hope you decide to stay.
 
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I got bullied by Alchemist once. Couldn't believe the guy was a moderator
 
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I got bullied by Alchemist once. Couldn't believe the guy was a moderator

May I kindly suggest that people do not to use negative adjectives to refer to people who have passed away. They aren't here anymore to defend themselves from any accusations. Thank you. :-)
 
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May I kindly suggest that people do not to use negative adjectives to refer to people who have passed away. They aren't here anymore to defend themselves from any accusations. Thank you. :-)
I generally agree. Just letting topic creator know he isn't alone in that regard
 
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You want to kill yourself because admin told you to stop posting religious stuff? You are insane...
that is pretty much the diagnosis they gave me a year ago...LOL
First of all, it's unfair to post private messages onto a public board. Other people don't have the full context and these kind of postings attract negative bias towards the person you are talking of.

Secondly, membership of this website is free but the admins and the mods spend their valuable time to run and maintain this website. As a gratitude, if I were you I would just quietly listen to them and continue to learn, contribute, enjoy and interact within the limits set by the people who provide the means for all that we take for granted.

Thirdly, a mod/admin has privileged information and often gets complaint/concern from people about various posts in here. Even if nobody complained about you, probably the kind of content you have posted created problems in the past with other people. Hence, the mod is likely trying to avoid the same situation from arising again.

Fourthly, admins, mods and everyone in here would love more and more pro-choice people to join this forum. The more the merrier, more discussions, more interactions, more viewpoints. Hence, they wouldn't try to intimidate a member and force them to quit membership.

Fifthly, if I may hazard a guess, you probably posted something related to religion and your post was likely long. Religion is a sensitive topic in and out of this web space. For eg., as much as you love Jesus, there might be people in here who are hardcore atheists. Both have equal rights to have beliefs. But just like you wouldn't want an atheist to make fun of your Christian beliefs, an atheist would not want Jesus appearing in conversations happening here.

Sixthly, and most importantly, everyone in here needs love and we all love each other here. You have been here almost 4 months with almost 400 messages and a reaction score of 400. Your membership wouldn't last this long if we didn't love you.

I suggest you read between the lines what the mod implies when they said, "I am trying to prevent you from going down that particular road." They want you here, hence they are trying to moderate your activities before you inadvertently hurt someone.

TL;DR - @c824767 , we, including the mod, like you and appreciate your company. Let's respect the diversity of beliefs and the sensitivity of believers and non-believers alike. :-)
very inclusive of you ! IAt the very least I feel I have a right to have the moderator tell me which post he / she other gender preferred pronouns. does not like so I can delete it. If the moderator feels the post is not required to be deleted, why bother messaging me. Now the moderator looks like Nancy Pelosi sitting on the articles of impeachment and I am Trump and the Senate waiting with baited breath for what might transpire.

I tend to include this final statements in my posts : What do you all think ? I have ABSOLUTELY no desire/hope to have others adopt my opinions. I know they are way out there, or else I would not have been committed to a mental institution, diagnosed with a mental illness, put in debilitating medication and been suicidal for the past 10 months. I asked people on Valentine's day whether they think they will have an orgasm tonight. That sufficed to get me involuntarily committed in Canada. Freedom of speech is as dead as Jesus was after crucifixion, and resurrection is not on the cards as far as I can see. I am curious to hear what people who, like me, have basically written off life on this planet as useless, think.

Here is a definition for proselytizing from an online dictionary: advocate or promote (a belief or course of action).
Here is a definition for a troll is someone who creates conflict on sites like Twitter, Facebook and Reddit by posting messages that are particularly controversial or inflammatory with the sole intent of provoking an emotional response from other users.

Both those definions are barndoor definitions that you could attack "reasonable" people with provided their comments are not "likeable" enough. To accuse somone of deliberately creating anger, is a thin argument when we know that we cannot assume that another's intentions are this or that. We cannot (as yet) determine the exact thoughts and intentions of another human being. The final comment on this comes from my mother tongue : "Die Gedanken sind frei" — "My thoughts are free". The last resort of free thinkers when oppression becomes so bad that the consequences for their outspokenness become lethal.
 
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that is pretty much the diagnosis they gave me a year ago...LOL

Quite a few of us here are insane, to use a scientific and precise term. :P I'm bipolar myself. May I ask what your diagnosis is? If you don't want to answer or tell me to go to hell for asking a rude question, I'll respect that.
 
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Exactly. You are not alone. I felt exactly the same way
 
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Quite a few of us here are insane, to use a scientific and precise term. :P I'm bipolar myself. May I ask what your diagnosis is? If you don't want to answer or tell me to go to hell for asking a rude question, I'll respect that.
Bipolar but I think I am just a victim of PTSD, I do not quite buy the diagnosis of being bipolar. The excessive contact I had with the Mental Heath Authorities have intimidated me and made me powerless and voiceless. I do not want to challenge my diagnosis because I am intimidated with interacting with the authorities.
I have been wanting to die for a long time. But here I am still, functioning this way and that, making this and that observation about humans, still curious.....
 
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I see. Diagnosing bipolar disorder is tricky and symptoms can vary very much between individuals. Let's just consider the possiblity that you are my brother in insanity for a moment. You clearly seem to be agitated. Do you remember how long you've felt like this?
 
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It's far from censorship and placing unreasonable restrictions on voicing you're opinions and beliefs. The regulation of certain types of discussion, specifically that of religion and other types of views are preventative measures for a reason. The goal isn't to harrass, intimidate and unreasonably restrict someone's opinions and beliefs for no reason. The goal is to regulate discussions, so they don't escalate into something bigger and into full-scale toxicity.

The reason specific types of discussion including that of religion is heavily frowned upon is because of the experiences we've had on this forum on religious discussions. Each discussion has spiraled and escalated into members arguing and fighting with each other because of differing beliefs and full-blown toxicity. I've been here for more than a year, and i'm sure others who have been here for over the course of the year in both 2018 and 2019 have witnessed the amounts of religious discussions that had taken over the forums and led to several bans.

It's similar to regulating the discussion of opinions, beliefs and views that can lead to something bigger and negative because of differing views on ANY type of topic. Politics, race, sexual orientation and gender discussions, religion, etc. Some topics are heavily sensitive topics because of differing views and there bound to inevitably escalate into something bigger because not all of us agree and believe in the same things. Period.

The point of the mod wasn't to intimidate, harrass or restrict you're voice. Place yourself in the shoes of a moderator, on a suicide forum, and look at it contextually; sensitive topics of discussion including religion, elements of differing views, has the potential to spiral and escalate into something way bigger in a negative manner and learning from prior experiences of topics including religious discussion on this forum. I don't know what you said, but any type of religious discussion or a sensitive subject that's already been an issue on this forum is gonna be regulated and subject to a warning or being watched.

There's way more mitigating circumstances that come into play outside of just the assumption of restricting you're voice.

Take care.
 
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I see. Diagnosing bipolar disorder is tricky and symptoms can vary very much between individuals. Let's just consider the possiblity that you are my brother in insanity for a moment. You clearly seem to be agitated. Do you remember how long you've felt like this?
I am not agitated. I am resigned to living amongst humans who want to be so many things that they are incapable of being ,some want to be parents but are useless at it (my parents)
Some want to be a part of an all-seeing elf -on -the shelf police force, (which reminds me of Bloomberg's "Stop and Frisk". What is your opinion about Stop and Frisk.) I have been like this all my life. When I had to live with my parents who were WWII children and were totally PTSD, I told them when I was 5 that they had to end their relationship because they were constantly fighting, not enjoying life, creating a most miserable household situation for me and my brother. 20 years later my dad (as was his habit) violently assaulted my mom, went a bit further than during his previous assaults, broke a door in our house with his fist .
Finally my mom made the first move for separation,finally realizing the threat for her life that my dad posed. Prior to that, my brother and I had a couple of decades of hostility and depressive anti-role models to live with, becoming another generation of PTSD damaged individuals.
am resigned to living amongst such flawed but hyper-desirous humans who are just CRAZY in their desires and decision making. Crazy laws and law enforcement, crazy medical systems, crazy media, crazy environmental breaches, crazy cases of deprivation from a dignified life for many (most of them sub-equatorial) peoples, creating an ecosystem inside everyone's head and in reality on this planet with all its DNA, that is utterly vulnerable to human invasion. Human invasion is almost inevitable thanks to the Boomers who took charge of the globe and made a capitalist milking cow out of it and its Joe Doe citizens. I used to be ashamed that on paper I have a mental illness. After hitting rock bottom this summer, I am now in a position of caring so little, that I usually introduce myself to a new acquaintance with : I am mentally ill and suicidal.
It's far from censorship and placing unreasonable restrictions on voicing you're opinions and beliefs. The regulation of certain types of discussion, specifically that of religion and other types of views are preventative measures for a reason. The goal isn't to harrass, intimidate and unreasonably restrict someone's opinions and beliefs for no reason. The goal is to regulate discussions, so they don't escalate into something bigger and into full-scale toxicity.

The reason specific types of discussion including that of religion is heavily frowned upon is because of the experiences we've had on this forum on religious discussions. Each discussion has spiraled and escalated into members arguing and fighting with each other because of differing beliefs and full-blown toxicity. I've been here for more than a year, and i'm sure others who have been here for over the course of the year in both 2018 and 2019 have witnessed the amounts of religious discussions that had taken over the forums and led to several bans.

It's similar to regulating the discussion of opinions, beliefs and views that can lead to something bigger and negative because of differing views on ANY type of topic. Politics, race, sexual orientation and gender discussions, religion, etc. Some topics are heavily sensitive topics because of differing views and there bound to inevitably escalate into something bigger because not all of us agree and believe in the same things. Period.

The point of the mod wasn't to intimidate, harrass or restrict you're voice. Place yourself in the shoes of a moderator, on a suicide forum, and look at it contextually; sensitive topics of discussion including religion, elements of differing views, has the potential to spiral and escalate into something way bigger in a negative manner and learning from prior experiences of topics including religious discussion on this forum. I don't know what you said, but any type of religious discussion or a sensitive subject that's already been an issue on this forum is gonna be regulated and subject to a warning or being watched.

There's way more mitigating circumstances that come into play outside of just the assumption of restricting you're voice.

Take care.
Thanks for taking the time to write all this. I would much rather have you tell me to delete a post than debating the potential of a potential future post of mine to create something so big and negative that people here get all wound up about it.

Most of us are here because big and negative events have taken place in our lives to reduce us to longing for nothing more than instant death. Also our thoughts are critical of the why and how that brought us here. I am definitely less robust than I was before I was involuntarily committed to a psych ward and the Oddyssey to suicide attempts started. I am at the end of the day, today and will probably be for the rest of my life, suicidal for many reasons, some of them big and some of them small.

I do not consider this debate about the quality and potential danger of my posts as "small". The rest of the world blatantly espouts the same anti-free will /speech sentiments and the same desire to "police" voices that could create for others an opportunity to think and feel things that are different to what they thought and felt yesterday.

I am not even sure the person who PMed me is a moderator. He/she does not have the "staff" or moderator label. I am assuming you can look up my messaging history to learn his / her handle. The byline is Be the change you wish to see in the world...Onwards and upwards towards the Gestapo planet !!!
 
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I am not agitated. I am resigned to living amongst humans who want to be so many things that they are incapable of being ,some want to be parents but are useless at it (my parents)
Some want to be a part of an all-seeing elf -on -the shelf police force, (which reminds me of Bloomberg's "Stop and Frisk". What is your opinion about Stop and Frisk.) I have been like this all my life. When I had to live with my parents who were WWII children and were totally PTSD, I told them when I was 5 that they had to end their relationship because they were constantly fighting, not enjoying life, creating a most miserable household situation for me and my brother. 20 years later my dad (as was his habit) violently assaulted my mom, went a bit further than during his previous assaults, broke a door in our house with his fist .
Finally my mom made the first move for separation,finally realizing the threat for her life that my dad posed. Prior to that, my brother and I had a couple of decades of hostility and depressive anti-role models to live with, becoming another generation of PTSD damaged individuals.
am resigned to living amongst such flawed but hyper-desirous humans who are just CRAZY in their desires and decision making. Crazy laws and law enforcement, crazy medical systems, crazy media, crazy environmental breaches, crazy cases of deprivation from a dignified life for many (most of them sub-equatorial) peoples, creating an ecosystem inside everyone's head and in reality on this planet with all its DNA, that is utterly vulnerable to human invasion. Human invasion is almost inevitable thanks to the Boomers who took charge of the globe and made a capitalist milking cow out of it and its Joe Doe citizens. I used to be ashamed that on paper I have a mental illness. After hitting rock bottom this summer, I am now in a position of caring so little, that I usually introduce myself to a new acquaintance with : I am mentally ill and suicidal.

You've been through a lot and it must have, excuse my choice of word, damaged your psyche. He's my favourite philosopher, but I've never believed that, Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker. I personally doubt that you're bipolar, but I'm not a psychiatrist. Maybe you suffer from some form av PTSD, as you say. You also seem to have lost faith in society and people in general, but that doesn't say much, because it's certainly not rare in this neigbourhood. Whatever it is, it's clear to me that you're about to lose it, to once again use a non-scientific term. You need an environment where you can feel safe. relax, and think. It's evident that you have little to no confidence in psychiatric care, but what about a church? Priests and laymen are usually happy to help people in distress.
 
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You've been through a lot and it must have, excuse my choice of word, damaged your psyche. He's my favourite philosopher, but I've never believed that, Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker. I personally doubt that you're bipolar, but I'm not a psychiatrist. Maybe you suffer from some form av PTSD, as you say. You also seem to have lost faith in society and people in general, but that doesn't say much, because it's certainly not rare in this neigbourhood. Whatever it is, it's clear to me that you're about to lose it, to once again use a non-scientific term. You need an environment where you can feel safe. relax, and think. It's evident that you have little to no confidence in psychiatric care, but what about a church? Priests and laymen are usually happy to help people in distress.
Thank you. I am not gonna lose it. Even if I did I would just be in bed, blanket over head. I think I am going to suspend this account though.....
 
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I am not agitated. I am resigned to living amongst humans who want to be so many things that they are incapable of being ,some want to be parents but are useless at it (my parents)
Some want to be a part of an all-seeing elf -on -the shelf police force, (which reminds me of Bloomberg's "Stop and Frisk". What is your opinion about Stop and Frisk.) I have been like this all my life. When I had to live with my parents who were WWII children and were totally PTSD, I told them when I was 5 that they had to end their relationship because they were constantly fighting, not enjoying life, creating a most miserable household situation for me and my brother. 20 years later my dad (as was his habit) violently assaulted my mom, went a bit further than during his previous assaults, broke a door in our house with his fist .
Finally my mom made the first move for separation,finally realizing the threat for her life that my dad posed. Prior to that, my brother and I had a couple of decades of hostility and depressive anti-role models to live with, becoming another generation of PTSD damaged individuals.
am resigned to living amongst such flawed but hyper-desirous humans who are just CRAZY in their desires and decision making. Crazy laws and law enforcement, crazy medical systems, crazy media, crazy environmental breaches, crazy cases of deprivation from a dignified life for many (most of them sub-equatorial) peoples, creating an ecosystem inside everyone's head and in reality on this planet with all its DNA, that is utterly vulnerable to human invasion. Human invasion is almost inevitable thanks to the Boomers who took charge of the globe and made a capitalist milking cow out of it and its Joe Doe citizens. I used to be ashamed that on paper I have a mental illness. After hitting rock bottom this summer, I am now in a position of caring so little, that I usually introduce myself to a new acquaintance with : I am mentally ill and suicidal.

Thanks for taking the time to write all this. I would much rather have you tell me to delete a post than debating the potential of a potential future post of mine to create something so big and negative that people here get all wound up about it.

Most of us are here because big and negative events have taken place in our lives to reduce us to longing for nothing more than instant death. Also our thoughts are critical of the why and how that brought us here. I am definitely less robust than I was before I was involuntarily committed to a psych ward and the Oddyssey to suicide attempts started. I am at the end of the day, today and will probably be for the rest of my life, suicidal for many reasons, some of them big and some of them small.

I do not consider this debate about the quality and potential danger of my posts as "small". The rest of the world blatantly espouts the same anti-free will /speech sentiments and the same desire to "police" voices that could create for others an opportunity to think and feel things that are different to what they thought and felt yesterday.

I am not even sure the person who PMed me is a moderator. He/she does not have the "staff" or moderator label. I am assuming you can look up my messaging history to learn his / her handle. The byline is Be the change you wish to see in the world...Onwards and upwards towards the Gestapo planet !!!
have to disagree on that.

Deleting this post wouldn't have really done much. One of the issues had hand is censorship, voicing you're opinions and beliefs. Deleting you're post, voicing you're concerns and assumptions goes against that and only worsens the issue at hand and would show us as actually restricting and policing you're right to speech on unreasonable grounds, which just isn't the case. Rather have an open discussion about it, justifications and reasons, so others can understand as well.

Just wanna emphasize, regulating speech on specific discussions is on the basis of reasonable grounds and prior history. that's it. not gonna dive too deeper into it. Just a preventative measure, rather stop things from potentially escalating, rather than wait till there's a full-blown problem like there has been.

As for now, closing this thread since we've established some sort of grounds of understanding and the issues been addressed. If you do have further concerns, feel free to PM me or staff in general and we could solve anymore of you're concerns. Don't feel hesitant in reaching out.

Take care.
 
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