Help Inert gas failure

[Catchtwentytwo]

I've tried inert gas. I made an exit bag.
I wore it on my ear and squeezed the bag to remove air inside. When it got inflated fully by nitrogen I pulled it down to my neck.
While wearing the bag I felt like my chest tightend and my heart beat extremely fast which put me off.
I saw some people just felt tingle or fainted in a few sec without consciousness. I believed this way most unpainful.
I want to know if theres any way to cope with sort of suffocating feeling or this is unevitable

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[Lastsauce]

I felt like my chest tightend and my heart beat extremely fast which put me off.

Sorry about the circumstances that have driven you to this point.
That suffocating feeling could be survival instinct induced panic attack as inert gas doesn't cause any feeling of suffocation.
Are you sure your gas is pure?

 

[Catchtwentytwo]

Sorry about the circumstances that have driven you to this point.
That suffocating feeling could be survival instinct induced panic attack as inert gas doesn't cause any feeling of suffocation.
Are you sure your gas is pure?

It is of 99.8 of purity.
This time I breathed out as much as possible before putting my head into the bag.
I felt less pain in chest then got high vertigo.
I think the residue of air inside my lung caused feeling of suffocation.
Now I have to find the way to cope with vertigo and panick.

 

[Aap]

Suicide is about the most stressful situation one can experience. If your flow was correct and your setup right, you had a panic attack. One of the key issues is to exhale FULLY. if you had air in your lungs, you did not do this.

 

[Meditation guide]

While wearing the bag I felt like my chest tightend and my heart beat extremely fast which put me off.

I'm so glad you posted this. I had asked the other day if anyone had experimented with it. Are you sure you had all the air out of the bag?

I think the residue of air inside my lung caused feeling of suffocation.

PPH says anyone with lung problems should not try this method since the lungs trap air which cannot be fully exhaled first. Do you have any breathing problems such as copd or asthma?

When you got the vertigo that might have been the beginning of losing consciousness but of course you still had the ability to remove the bag.

 

[Catchtwentytwo]

I'm so glad you posted this. I had asked the other day if anyone had experimented with it. Are you sure you had all the air out of the bag?
I crumbled the bag as much as I can

I just crumbled the bag

I'm so glad you posted this. I had asked the other day if anyone had experimented with it. Are you sure you had all the air out of the bag?

PPH says anyone with lung problems should not try this method since the lungs trap air which cannot be fully exhaled first. Do you have any breathing problems such as copd or asthma?

No. As for suffocation, I meant I just felt my heart beating really hard.

 

[Meditation guide]

I meant I just felt my heart beating really hard.

That will happen in any low or no oxygen environment as the body adjusts to try to deliver more oxygen to the brain, heart and lungs. I know it's very scary and I have some breathing problems and am familiar with it. This is the information I was curious about.

Will you try again?

 

[Aap]

That is common when fearing death and having a plastic bag over one's head.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Stickstoff method for those who don't want to have a bag over their head. My method of choice if using inert gas.

 

[nitroautnz]

Thanks for sharing your experience, sorry it didn't work out for you.
I pick up my nitrogen canister yesterday, im just waiting for my regulator to arrive, im excited to try it though.
With nitrogen, your brain does not detect that you don't breathe oxygen, but maybe having the bag on your head and knowing what you breathing most likely trigger stress. I will post my experience when im ready to test it myself.

 

[JustLosingMyself]

Stickstoff method for those who don't want to have a bag over their head. My method of choice if using inert gas.

Nitrogen in English

 

[Meditation guide]

your brain does not detect that you don't breathe oxygen

Your brain doesn't but your body does. There is a built in system that causes the heart to race. There is hypoxia.
So it's a question of how long does that go on before you black out.

Spoiler: warning: graphic video of pig slaughter with helium

 

[nitroautnz]

Your brain doesn't but your body does. There is a built in system that causes the heart to race. There is hypoxia.
So it's a question of how long does that go on before you black out.

Lots of parameters come into action, like if you did put yourself into hyperventilation before, if the bag is set properly wit the tube and how tight is it, because the nitrogen needs to push the co2 out of the bag otherwise your body can detect it and react from it.
That's why i want to do some test before doing it for good, knowing what to expect and get used to it.
But from what I read about people testing it, it shouldn't take more than a few seconds after you have the bag on your head and start inhaling.

 

[Bauhaus]

Can't you use propranolol to slow down your heartbeat and relieve anxiety ?

 

[bov]

Lots of parameters come into action, like if you did put yourself into hyperventilation before, if the bag is set properly wit the tube and how tight is it, because the nitrogen needs to push the co2 out of the bag otherwise your body can detect it and react from it.
That's why i want to do some test before doing it for good, knowing what to expect and get used to it.
But from what I read about people testing it, it shouldn't take more than a few seconds after you have the bag on your head and start inhaling.

Are you supposed to hyperventilate before?

 

[Heartsick Traveler]

If you're experimenting, then you are not emotionally ready or committed to CTB. The exit bag/pure inert gas strategy, if implemented properly, is full-proof and takes only seconds for a complete loss of consciousness. Crumpling the bag AND fully exhaling first are both vital. Don't waste precious gas or risk injury "getting used to it." If you're at peace with your decision, then proceed properly ONE TIME. If you're not entirely sure, then do not experiment. This is hardly the method to fool around with.

Are you supposed to hyperventilate before?

Definitely not. Breathe normally, then fully exhale to empty your lungs of air. Calmly pull the bag down, which will uncrumple and gently fill with inert gas. Take comfortable, deep breaths. Loss of consciousness is quick and peaceful.

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

Are you supposed to hyperventilate before?

Yes, it is recommended in the PPeH to hyperventilate for 1-2 minutes to remove CO2 from the blood before putting the bag over the face to minimize the possibility of the hypercapnic alarm response.

 

[Braindead Atheist]

Thanks for sharing your experience, sorry it didn't work out for you.
I pick up my nitrogen canister yesterday, im just waiting for my regulator to arrive, im excited to try it though.
With nitrogen, your brain does not detect that you don't breathe oxygen, but maybe having the bag on your head and knowing what you breathing most likely trigger stress. I will post my experience when im ready to test it myself.

Are you still here? Do you have an update?!

 

[nitroautnz]

Are you still here? Do you have an update?!

Yes i am. I have decided i will start the setup for an argon setup too since it has a flowmeter integrated to it, i will compare the difference with nitrogen.
For nitrogen i cant have a flowmeter infortunatly so it will be a regulator with no flowmeter, I am planning on creating a post or add it to the megatrhead explaining how to succefuly achive a 15/20L without a flowmeter. That can help people that dont want to spend a fortune on a medical regulator like MDB. (wich you dont need unless you can afford it, and for not having anything to do).

I will give an update when i receive my argon flowmeter and nitrogen regulator. I have the nitrogen tank and planing to go get the argon this week or the next one.

 

[nitroautnz]

Ok so my nitrogen setup is ready, i will pick up argon tomorrow. I have one problem, how can i test it without ctb...
I try while holding the bag in my hand but i was most likely breathing some oxygen too because i didnt pass out after 1 minute, just feeling dizzy and headache.
I cant have the bag over my head because i won't be able to remove it if i pass out suddenly.
I order some non-rebreather mask, i will have to modify them to make sure no oxygen get inside, but its only if my eager of ctb is not too strong.
I almost did it earlier, but nothing is ready, i want to write a letter to my family and prepare an audio message in a delayed email to the person that will have to contact the police.

 

[TastySorrow]

My god... every time I log back on this site I read of a new failure of this, my method of choice, which is supposed to be one of the most succesful ones. I wish you luck next time.

 

[Bauhaus]

My god... every time I log back on this site I read of a new failure of this, my method of choice, which is supposed to be one of the most succesful ones. I wish you luck next time.

² This is also my preferred method but I won't keep my hopes high.

 

[Deleted member 23726]

Your brain doesn't but your body does. There is a built in system that causes the heart to race. There is hypoxia.
So it's a question of how long does that go on before you black out.

Spoiler: warning: graphic video of pig slaughter with helium

The pig looks like he was in pain :(

If you're experimenting, then you are not emotionally ready or committed to CTB. The exit bag/pure inert gas strategy, if implemented properly, is full-proof and takes only seconds for a complete loss of consciousness. Crumpling the bag AND fully exhaling first are both vital. Don't waste precious gas or risk injury "getting used to it." If you're at peace with your decision, then proceed properly ONE TIME. If you're not entirely sure, then do not experiment. This is hardly the method to fool around with.

Definitely not. Breathe normally, then fully exhale to empty your lungs of air. Calmly pull the bag down, which will uncrumple and gently fill with inert gas. Take comfortable, deep breaths. Loss of consciousness is quick and peaceful.

What if we're using a scuba diving mask? How do we get rid of the air inside it before wearing it?

Yes, it is recommended in the PPeH to hyperventilate for 1-2 minutes to remove CO2 from the blood before putting the bag over the face to minimize the possibility of the hypercapnic alarm response.

Even if were using a scuba diving mask?

 

[Aap]

The pig was in no discomfort other than being in a strange room in a box. There is another video floating around of a feed trough inside a helium environment. The pig sticks it's head in, passes out, head comes out of hood, and then the pig wakes up and sticks it's head in again to start eating.

people are confusing death looking romantic and pretty like on the movies and peaceful. Death is seldom cinematic and pretty. That doesn't mean it isn't completely peaceful. If people watched a complete video of euthanasia from Nembutal, there would be endless hand wringing about the scary noises and "gasping for breath" that lasted for 30 minutes.

Everyone needs to divorce the concept of death looking or sounding nice from peaceful. A shotgun to the head is about as fast and peaceful as it gets. It does not look pretty.

 

[Deleted member 23726]

The problem is that this method is very technical. When I go to the store to get my Nitrogen tank, what do I say it's for? I don't look like someone who would use it for welding. I'm very short and tiny haha

 

[JustLosingMyself]

The problem is that this method is very technical. When I go to the store to get my Nitrogen tank, what do I say it's for? I don't look like someone who would use it for welding. I'm very short and tiny haha

Brewing beer. Means you need to get food grade though.

 

[Deleted member 23726]

Brewing beer. Means you need to get food grade though.

But for beer brewing it doesnt have to be pure no?

 

[Lastsauce]

what do I say it's for? I don't look like someone who would use it for welding. I'm very short and tiny haha

Nitrogen and argon are also used as food preservatives and in opened paint cans to prevent oxidation.

 

[Deleted member 23726]

Nitrogen and argon are also used as food preservatives and in opened paint cans to prevent oxidation.

If i tell them i need it for paint, what kind of grade would they give me? Also how exactly do they use it for paint? Do they put nitrogen inside the paint bucket?

 

[Lastsauce]

@imstillhere
If it's for welding or brazing it has to be very clean gas, so I wouldn't worry about the purity.
Then again if you choose argon be sure to get pure argon and not argon+co2 mix, that would suck.
And about the paint buckets, it's used just like that to prevent the paint curing and forming a skin.
Have you looked for any suppliers who would deliver to home?