Method I'm trying to find out if this will work | Nitrogen

[gardenhouse]

Sorry if this is a repost, This isn't my initial method to CBT, of course if N was available, it would that, but i live in the country with the strictest border force in the western world, my chloroquine bought online from India was seized, I'm sure if I buy SN overseas, they will seize it as well since it's actually available locally but hard to get without proper license.

All kind of SH tools are strictly controlled, I hate this country. So, the only available source locally is NITROGEN, I would like to know if these would work....

I live with my partner, I have no idea where to hide this stuff, hope the gas cylinder is not big....






Thanks

 

[-L-]

That is too small.
A standard 10lb non-disposable cylinder for reference holds roughly 3,115 to 3,400 liters depending on the tank pressure and assuming 20c ambient room temperature. (did some rough math).

With a tiny 2.2L tank you are more likely to run out of gas prematurely and cause brain damage while staying alive.

I personally would only attempt this with a 20lb cylinder minimum, and a good flow regulator. You don't want to end up a vegetable. You need good continuous flow which the above won't give you.

I thought I'd edit to add another detail because it's kinda funny in a morbid way, ideally you want 15-20 LPM (liters per minute) of flow.. So your 2.2L tank would likely run out of gas before you even pull the bag down over your head.
Assuming you keep the gas running for 40 minutes at 20 LPM that is 800 liters of gas at minimum, and honestly that's cutting it too close, you want overhead to be sure your dead, and to be sure you don't have any CO2 buildup in the bag to trigger your hypercapnic alarm response.
That's all I'll say.

Kinda wrong fixed it here https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...f-this-will-work-nitrogen.241193/post-3453690

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Yes, it's far too small. Nothing disposable is going to be sufficient.

If you can't hide the right size tank, simply say it's for making coffee or homemade ice cream or brewing beer… or anything that your partner might believe.

 

[AnonAnon1234]

Deffo need a bigger tank. If you drive you can say the Nitrogen is for putting into tyres though.

Which country are you in out of interest?

 

[gardenhouse]

That is too small.
A standard 10lb non-disposable cylinder for reference holds roughly 3,115 to 3,400 liters depending on the tank pressure and assuming 20c ambient room temperature. (did some rough math).

With a tiny 2.2L tank you are more likely to run out of gas prematurely and cause brain damage while staying alive.

I personally would only attempt this with a 20lb cylinder minimum, and a good flow regulator. You don't want to end up a vegetable. You need good continuous flow which the above won't give you.

I see, i read on PPH book, 2.2 l tank is suitable?

Deffo need a bigger tank. If you drive you can say the Nitrogen is for putting into tyres though.

Which country are you in out of interest?

New zealand mate

 

[-L-]

I see, i read on PPH book, 2.2 l tank is suitable?

NOOOO!!!

No it really isn't.. Read my edit...
You are wasting your money at best or killing some brain cells at worst.

I thought I'd edit to add another detail because it's kinda funny in a morbid way, ideally you want 15-20 LPM (liters per minute) of flow.. So your 2.2L tank would likely run out of gas before you even pull the bag down over your head.
Assuming you keep the gas running for 40 minutes at 20 LPM that is 800 liters of gas at minimum, and honestly that's cutting it too close, you want overhead to be sure your dead, and to be sure you don't have any CO2 buildup in the bag to trigger your hypercapnic alarm response.
That's all I'll say.

Kinda wrong fixed it here https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...f-this-will-work-nitrogen.241193/post-3453690
But would still say to get a bigger cylinder.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

It's not enough for even one minute of flow.

 

[-L-]

It's not enough for even one minute of flow.

That 2.2L tank would last roughly 8 seconds at 15 LPM and really you should be aiming for 20 LPM.
Hope those 8 seconds are worth $95 NZD..... WRONG

It's not enough for even one minute of flow.

Actually I may be wrong. I think I am wrong.. Because this is New Zealand / metric.. In North America (US/CA) lbs are used to signify tank size, (the water volume) of the tank. So if we assume 2.2L is tank size / water holding capacity and not gas volume, it actually is a lot more reasonable...

If the N2 where at atmospheric pressure it would be 2.2L worth of N2.. But because it is compressed more fits in the tank. I checked and disposable N2 cylinders like this are typically rated around 100-110 bars for internal pressure. So roughly 1450-1595 psi.

So assuming conservatively it is at 100 bars, So at 100 bar of tank pressure, The total gas volume is 2.2L x 100 = 220L of total gas.

So this would give a run time of 14.6 minutes roughly at a constant flow rate of 15 LPM.

Still not enough gas but you wouldn't run out in 8 seconds either.

Disregard my previous comments I am a a sleep deprived idiot used to working with imperial tank sizing for inert gasses.

So it's 220L of gas, But with all that said, I would still get a bigger tank.. The vegetable risk with a single one of these tanks is too high IMHO, and Nitschke is often quite liberal in his estimates I find.. Assume 800L of gas total (at 100 bar not tank water volume) is needed at minimum.

So I hope that clears up any confusion. @gardenhouse

I feel stupid now, but I'll correct it on record and own it.

 

[gardenhouse]

That 2.2L tank would last roughly 8 seconds at 15 LPM and really you should be aiming for 20 LPM.
Hope those 8 seconds are worth $95 NZD..... WRONG

Actually I may be wrong. I think I am wrong.. Because this is New Zealand / metric.. In North America (US/CA) lbs are used to signify tank size, (the water volume) of the tank. So if we assume 2.2L is tank size / water holding capacity and not gas volume, it actually is a lot more reasonable...

If the N2 where at atmospheric pressure it would be 2.2L worth of N2.. But because it is compressed more fits in the tank. I checked and disposable N2 cylinders like this are typically rated around 100-110 bars for internal pressure. So roughly 1450-1595 psi.

So assuming conservatively it is at 100 bars, So at 100 bar of tank pressure, The total gas volume is 2.2L x 100 = 220L of total gas.

So this would give a run time of 14.6 minutes roughly at a constant flow rate of 15 LPM.

Still not enough gas but you wouldn't run out in 8 seconds either.

Disregard my previous comments I am a a sleep deprived idiot used to working with imperial tank sizing for inert gasses.

So it's 220L of gas, But with all that said, I would still get a bigger tank.. The vegetable risk with a single one of these tanks is too high IMHO, and Nitschke is often quite liberal in his estimates I find.. Assume 800L of gas total (at 100 bar not tank water volume) is needed at minimum.

So I hope that clears up any confusion. @gardenhouse

I feel stupid now, but I'll correct it on record and own it.

No need to feel bad, I know the conversion can be confusing sometimes , and i'm still learning too. Is 3.5 litre enough then? Or maybe i can use 2x cylinders of 2.2 litre, it's just nz is such a small country, it's hard to source anything. Thanks

 

[-L-]

No need to feel bad, I know the conversion can be confusing sometimes , and i'm still learning too. Is 3.5 litre enough then? Or maybe i can use 2x cylinders of 2.2 litre, it's just nz is such a small country, it's hard to source anything. Thanks

I'd say aim for at least 6L minimum if you can.. Not something you can get in a disposable size.. But better then 2.2L.. At 2.2L is too risky in my opinion.. Also all of this is assuming you have perfect flow control.. The max dog brewing regulators were medical 15 lpm oxygen click regulators with either a CGA-580 (for NA) or a type 50 (for EU/AU/NZ) stem and connector retrofitted onto them replacing the O2 connector. So I'd say it's better to find a gas supplier and either modify a O2 regulator to take type 50, or find a good flow control for type 50 and get a proper cylinder.
If you don't have good flow control always aim for more gas.

I just don't want to see people end up vegetables. That's all I'll say on all of this as I don't want to spoon feed too much info on this all. Good luck friend.