Discussion I'm kind of wondering how realistic it is that they don't restrict sodium nitrite

[Quarky00]

Why the smiley face? Do you want peaceful methods to get banned?

Automatic . Psychiatrist wrote "deeply depressed but keeps smiling, very peculiar" lol

How do you know it will be banned for sure?

I don't 'know' and , well , not for 'sure' . I guess I was exaggerating there . But it is likely to happen . Because no country wants suicide and if there's a product specific to ctb that's a big no no . Look at SN which is just a regular chemical manufactured by hundreds etc -- and how they chase it . Imagine one product ..

 

[BPD Barbie]

In the UK it still seems fairly easy to access on certain seller websites. But it was a problem getting it to me, I don't know if that was because of the seller or what, but I heard many people having the same issue with said seller.
I think it has a way to go before it becomes hard to buy in a lot of countries. While it's becoming more heard of for suicide, I don't think it's enough right now to warrant restrictions.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Why does Phil Nitschke support the Debreather? Does he expect it to get banned? (I know no one here like talks to him but I'm just inviting speculation)

I don't see why this would be any different

Is it some sort of sting operation? Is he doing it idly because it might just work for a while? Does he just want to briefly make money?

What are we supposed to do?

The Debreather was already being pushed back a lot in terms of production date, right? So is it always just going to be kept just outside our grasps, for whatever reason?

It's not funny

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

@Quarky00 I guess my one of my only hopes is that you're wrong and the debreather as a suicide kit won't get banned

I might not really have long enough to see it actually get made though, in terms of it being an option for me, personally

Do you think they'll stop using sodium nitrite on boars if enough people commit suicide with it?

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

@Quarky00 I guess my one of my only hopes is that you're wrong and the debreather as a suicide kit won't get banned

I might not really have long enough to see it actually get made though, in terms of it being an option for me, personally

Do you think they'll stop using sodium nitrite on boars if enough people commit suicide with it?

Do I go against that hope? What then?

 

[Quarky00]

Gosh you are festering and brewing over this :) I understand your worries , and I don't know right now ..

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Gosh you are festering and brewing over this :) I understand your worries , and I don't know right now ..

It's a serious question

Or at least it would be in the context of this site, I would think

 

[Quarky00]

It's a serious question

Or at least it would be in the context of this site, I would think

Absolutely serious , I agree with you I apologize for using "festering" -- that word has a negative meaning for sure -- and I shouldn't have said that . The wrong phrasing came about because my input was not helpful while you sounded worried and repeated same question (for which I have no answer)... We should discuss things , like you said . And again I am sorry for my words .

I just meant you are thinking about this seriously (which is great) while we know very little , so I personally don't know ... And I'm sorry for not being able to help. Maybe other members can reflect on the debreather. There several threads on that. And I do appreciate you discussing that thoroughly

 

[ImSorryEmma]

SN has legitimate uses most notably curating meats, along with other things. So the probability of SN being illegal is very low.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

SN has legitimate uses most notably curating meats, along with other things. So the probability of SN being illegal is very low.

But I mean to like individual people

Cyanide has industrial uses and is still used, although it's probably more "notorious" and can get banned more easily

 

[Mm80]

This is a strange thread. And I'm really strange myself lol.
None of us know the answers for sure. But a piece of kit made with the sole purpose of ctb will always be illegal. Selling it would possibly be assisted suicide. It would only be legal if euthanasia was legal. And then there would be rules on euthanasia.
The reason sn isn't illegal is because it is used a billion times more for curing meat and food production than it is for ctb. What could happen is its restriction to who can handle and purchase it. As its become more popular for ctb sellers are making checks that they are selling it to businesses that use it for food production.
I think this is out of responsibility and conscience, not law. What could happen is countries could make it illegal to sell to someone without a valid business which needs it. Then it would get much more difficult.
Also although this forum has become a big part of my life, its worth noting that its a drop in the ocean. Where I am in the UK its estimated that someone ctb every 90 mins. Approx 18 per day. World wide it must be a huge number. I'd imagine that the percentage of sn suicides to all suicides is very small, therefore not a massive cause for concern yet.
Thanks

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

This is a strange thread. And I'm really strange myself lol.
None of us know the answers for sure. But a piece of kit made with the sole purpose of ctb will always be illegal. Selling it would possibly be assisted suicide. It would only be legal if euthanasia was legal. And then there would be rules on euthanasia.
The reason sn isn't illegal is because it is used a billion times more for curing meat and food production than it is for ctb. What could happen is its restriction to who can handle and purchase it. As its become more popular for ctb sellers are making checks that they are selling it to businesses that use it for food production.
I think this is out of responsibility and conscience, not law. What could happen is countries could make it illegal to sell to someone without a valid business which needs it. Then it would get much more difficult.
Also although this forum has become a big part of my life, its worth noting that its a drop in the ocean. Where I am in the UK its estimated that someone ctb every 90 mins. Approx 18 per day. World wide it must be a huge number. I'd imagine that the percentage of sn suicides to all suicides is very small, therefore not a massive cause for concern yet.
Thanks

Maybe the debreather will be different though, is that possible or not?

What do you think will happen after the debreather comes out? What will Phil Nitschke and others do next?

 

[Mm80]

Maybe the debreather will be different though, is that possible or not?

What do you think will happen after the debreather comes out? What will Phil Nitschke and others do next?

I dont think a debreather will ever be legalisied, unless society made a miracolous u turn on its view on suicide. Except in possibly euthanasia clinics of course. What i suspect will happen is parts of the kit will be sold, possibly illegally and the user will find info on how to make it themselves. Anyone trying to sell a full kit to the general public would be fucking crazy.
Thanks.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I dont think a debreather will ever be legalisied, unless society made a miracolous u turn on its view on suicide. Except in possibly euthanasia clinics of course. What i suspect will happen is parts of the kit will be sold, possibly illegally and the user will find info on how to make it themselves. Anyone trying to sell a full kit to the general public would be fucking crazy.
Thanks.

"Anyone trying to sell a full kit to the general public would be fucking crazy."

Because of the risk of legal pressure?

The website that Nitschke linked on his twitter, do you think people will ever actually be able to order off of that and receive a debreather? What will happen to that website?

 

[Mm80]

"Anyone trying to sell a full kit to the general public would be fucking crazy."

Because of the risk of legal pressure?

The website that Nitschke linked on his twitter, do you think people will ever actually be able to order off of that and receive a debreather? What will happen to that website?

I think a kit that is specifically designed to end someones life would be illegal to sell, dont you? We only get away with obtaining the stuff for other methods because they are widely used for other things. I mean, have you ever seen an electric chair for sale on an auction site Lol? I think the authorities could get away with classing the selling of debreathers as assisted suicide, as their use is designed for one thing. Although the seller is not making the person use the machine, its very clear what it would be used for.
There is no way these will be sold openly on a website open to the general public. They might be sold illegally somewhere, but the price would be very high due to the risk and low supply, and most sellers wouldnt take the chance.
Whats your opinion ?

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I think a kit that is specifically designed to end someones life would be illegal to sell, dont you? We only get away with obtaining the stuff for other methods because they are widely used for other things. I mean, have you ever seen an electric chair for sale on an auction site Lol? I think the authorities could get away with classing the selling of debreathers as assisted suicide, as their use is designed for one thing. Although the seller is not making the person use the machine, its very clear what it would be used for.
There is no way these will be sold openly on a website open to the general public. They might be sold illegally somewhere, but the price would be very high due to the risk and low supply, and most sellers wouldnt take the chance.
Whats your opinion ?

I think if they're truly painless and peaceful, the logic might be that it's safer to sell them not to not sell them

Maybe the law will decide that it's alright

And if the presentation is good of the device, it might not cause a panic and people might get more comfortable with the idea of being able to peacefully die

I'd like to think that the method actually is painless, the debreather method

 

[Mm80]

I think if they're truly painless and peaceful, the logic might be that it's safer to sell them not to not sell them

Maybe the law will decide that it's alright

And if the presentation is good of the device, it might not cause a panic and people might get more comfortable with the idea of being able to peacefully die

I'd like to think that the method actually is painless, the debreather method

Fair enough.
For us on here it would be perfect, depending on the price lol.
As for maybe the law will decide its alright, either this is a brilliant wind up or your being naive.
Maybe your thinking is ahead of our time by about 80 years lol.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Fair enough.
For us on here it would be perfect, depending on the price lol.
As for maybe the law will decide its alright, either this is a brilliant wind up or your being naive.
Maybe your thinking is ahead of our time by about 80 years lol.

What's going to happen if it is a brilliant wind-up, do you think?

Like if I ordered one what would happen?

Do you think it would actually come?

If it did come what do you think would happen if I used it?

 

[Comfortably Numb]

If it did come what do you think would happen if I used it?

World peace (dove emoji)

 

[Mm80]

World peace (dove emoji)

What's going to happen if it is a brilliant wind-up, do you think?

Like if I ordered one what would happen?

Do you think it would actually come?

If it did come what do you think would happen if I used it?

If this a brilliant wind up and your acting stupid i applaud you as you got me lol
Where are they on sale? Most good homewhere stores lol
If one did miraculously end up at your door you would be the envy of SS and go peacefully .

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

World peace (dove emoji)

Really?

Would I cause any problems?

Would I get attacked from the grave?

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Really?

Would I cause any problems?

Would I get attacked from the grave?

I dunno??? I'm not the font of all knowledge. But I could take a wild guess …. ;)

 

[Mm80]

Really?

Would I cause any problems?

Would I get attacked from the grave?

I think only comfortably numb knows the answer to this

 

[Comfortably Numb]

I think only comfortably numb knows the answer to this

oh my goodness I giggled again. Twice in one day. I'm going to have to change my panties BRB

 

[Mm80]

I dunno??? I'm not the font of all knowledge. But I could take a wild guess …. ;)

I think it would be a dangerous move as it woukd cause so much concern, that the government would dig you up, bring you back to life with their *breather* and interrogate you until you tell them how you got it. Then lock you up in a psychiatric unit for the rest of your days

 

[Comfortably Numb]

I think it would be a dangerous move as it woukd cause so much concern, that the government would dig you up, bring you back to life with their *breather* and interrogate you until you tell them how you got it. Then lock you up in a psychiatric unit for the rest of your days

I'd act dumb and deny all knowledge. Don't worry, were all safe x

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I think it would be a dangerous move as it woukd cause so much concern, that the government would dig you up, bring you back to life with their *breather* and interrogate you until you tell them how you got it. Then lock you up in a psychiatric unit for the rest of your days

Could they hurt my loved ones or get them in trouble?
So do you guys want the debreather to be legal or not?

Why/why not?

 

[Mm80]

oh my goodness I giggled again. Twice in one day. I'm going to have to change my panties BRB

Could they hurt my loved ones or get them in trouble?
So do you guys want the debreather to be legal or not?

Why/why not?

I hate say this but yes. Thats the reality of it.
Nothing too bad though, probably just deport them

 

[Comfortably Numb]

I hate say this but yes. Thats the reality of it.
Nothing too bad though, probably just deport them

I can't find the emoji to express shocked nervous politically correct laughing

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I hate say this but yes. Thats the reality of it.
Nothing too bad though, probably just deport them

Seriously though, what would happen?
I reiterate though do you want the debreather to be legal or not?