If you are less than 18 don't ctb

[Roberto]

Why would you say that? Kids suffer too. You should ctb at the earliest opportunity.

Because until 18 we don't consider they are grown up people and because their emotional inestability can lead them to CTB and in some cases they didn't know which possibilities they have. Sometimes they can choose to ctb having other alternatives.
CTB can be used to harm fathers emotions or a girlfriend. Would you help him without ask the reasons?

 

[Redt2go]

This is the fastest way to get them to ctb lol

 

[Roberto]

This is the fastest way to get them to ctb lol

But it will not be with my help.

 

[Redt2go]

But it will not be with my help.

eh. reverse psychology. but yeah you're right

 

[aneurysm]

Sadly, those who are less than 18 are actually the ones who has all the willpower to ctb and succeed.

Why?

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

Because until 18 we don't consider they are grown up people and because their emotional inestability can lead them to CTB and in some cases they didn't know which possibilities they have. Sometimes they can choose to ctb having other alternatives.
CTB can be used to harm fathers emotions or a girlfriend. Would you help him without ask the reasons?

What if someone under 18 has exausted every alternative, what about then? And i personally think that even though they are under 18 they are not doing it to hurt someone elses feelings. A few might but i think the majority doesn't.

 

[21Neberg]

Why?

I think he ment that teenagers can act more impulsively, whereas adults might consider everything more thoroughly before they attempt
I'm over 18 and I'm giving life one last chance before I go - though I'm regretting doing that as I really don't like my therapist.

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

I think he ment that teenagers can act more impulsively, whereas adults might consider everything more thoroughly before they attempt
I'm over 18 and I'm giving life one last chance before I go - though I'm regretting doing that as I really don't like my therapist.

Cant you find another therapist?

 

[21Neberg]

Cant you find another therapist?

The issue isn't her, the issue is that my issues are appearantly so severe that my family has to be told no matter what to ensure I don't hurt myself any further. (And yes, I'm over 18.)

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

The issue isn't her, the issue is that my issues are appearantly so severe that my family has to be told no matter what to ensure I don't hurt myself any further. (And yes, I'm over 18.)

Als jij ouder dan 18 bent hoeft jou familie toch niet in gelicht te worden? Is dat niet tegen de wet hier in nederland? (Sorry had ff geen zin in t engels te typen)

 

[21Neberg]

Als jij ouder dan 18 bent hoeft jou familie toch niet in gelicht te worden? Is dat niet tegen de wet hier in nederland? (Sorry had ff geen zin in t engels te typen)

Als je therapeut vindt dat je een gevaar voor jezelf bent wel. In haar woorden - 'zodat ze een oogje in het zeil kunnen houden want deze verantwoordelijkheid (over mij dus) kan ik niet alleen dragen.'

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

Als je therapeut vindt dat je een gevaar voor jezelf bent wel. In haar woorden - 'zodat ze een oogje in het zeil kunnen houden want deze verantwoordelijkheid (over mij dus) kan ik niet alleen dragen.'

Dan is zij wel het probleem denk ik , ik snap waar ze vandaan komt maar nog steeds, volgens mij is dat tegen docter patient confidentiality, tenminste als jij daar geen toe stemming voor geeft.

 

[21Neberg]

Dan is zij wel het probleem denk ik , ik snap waar ze vandaan komt maar nog steeds, volgens mij is dat tegen docter patient confidentiality, tenminste als jij daar geen toe stemming voor geeft.

Helaas heb ik niet verder gedacht dan 'Ik ben ouder dan 18, dus het is privé.' toen ik haar over mijn problemen vertelde. Ik heb heel erg duidelijk gemaakt dat ik liever overreden wordt dan een bus dan dat mijn familie ingelicht wordt, maar het lijkt er echt op dat er niets is dat ik ertegen kan doen. Dit is dus echt het laatste op de wereld wat ik ooit wou dat er zou gebeuren.

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

Helaas heb ik niet verder gedacht dan 'Ik ben ouder dan 18, dus het is privé.' toen ik haar over mijn problemen vertelde. Ik heb heel erg duidelijk gemaakt dat ik liever overreden wordt dan een bus dan dat mijn familie ingelicht wordt, maar het lijkt er echt op dat er niets is dat ik ertegen kan doen. Dit is dus echt het laatste op de wereld wat ik ooit wou dat er zou gebeuren.

Ja dat snap ik, dat heb ik ook met mijn vader als ik iets deel over suicdaliteit met mijn therapeut of IBer op school. Alleen bij mij moet het ivm leeftijd

 

[21Neberg]

Ja dat snap ik, dat heb ik ook met mijn vader als ik iets deel over suicdaliteit met mijn therapeut of IBer op school. Alleen bij mij moet het ivm leeftijd

Ik hoop dan maar dat jouw ouders er normaal mee om kunnen gaan, het vervelendste is wanneer ze opeens de hele tijd met je willen praten over allerlei gevoelens en dingen willen doen enz. Heb ik gehad toen ik 14 was, heel naar.

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

Ik hoop dan maar dat jouw ouders er normaal mee om kunnen gaan, het vervelendste is wanneer ze opeens de hele tijd met je willen praten over allerlei gevoelens en dingen willen doen enz. Heb ik gehad toen ik 14 was, heel naar.

Mijn vader loopt erom heen, wij negeren de olifant in de kamer, dat is ook niet altijd leuk, maar ik snap dat als ze over gevoelens enzo willen praten ook niet leuk is. Is lastig met naaste familie, staan er te dicht bij ofzo. Tenminste dat is het voor mijn gevoel

 

[21Neberg]

Mijn vader loopt erom heen, wij negeren de olifant in de kamer, dat is ook niet altijd leuk, maar ik snap dat als ze over gevoelens enzo willen praten ook niet leuk is. Is lastig met naaste familie, staan er te dicht bij ofzo. Tenminste dat is het voor mijn gevoel

Dat scenario herken ik, en zal waarschijnlijk weer gebeuren. Het niet alsof ik überhaupt graag over mezelf praat, dus dat is wel oké.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I know I must respect everyone's will.

This. Thank you for the acknowledgment.

 

[CFLoser]

I'm not pro-life. Just it's too soon to give up. Give you time, try therapists, anti-depressants, travel, ...

u cant tell me wat to do.

 

[KatieW]

What if someone under 18 has exausted every alternative, what about then? And i personally think that even though they are under 18 they are not doing it to hurt someone elses feelings. A few might but i think the majority doesn't.

Oh yes.

"Options" is a very subjective word. A pro-lifer imagines there are better options ("it'll get better") so ctb shouldn't be allowed. Anyone who ctb's usually can't see better options in the horizon. My family constantly reminds me how they'll always be there for me - implying I have no reason to ctb of course. It never occurs to them how degrading it is to be at their mercy.
So I say the suicidal has enough reason to ctb even if just a teenager.

I think he ment that teenagers can act more impulsively, whereas adults might consider everything more thoroughly before they attempt
I'm over 18 and I'm giving life one last chance before I go - though I'm regretting doing that as I really don't like my therapist.

Strange thing therapy is one of my sootheners; There's one polite and good listener there.

 

[Gray Wounds]

Why?

Idk why but its based on my observation. Something that has everything to do with youth and its dalliance and carefree manner perhaps, is the reason why their suicide success rate is high.

 

[aneurysm]

Idk why but its based on my observation. Something that has everything to do with youth and its dalliance and carefree manner perhaps, is the reason why their suicide success rate is high.

oh.
I was never carefree.

 

[Gray Wounds]

oh.
I was never carefree.

It varies then. Humans are mysterious. :)

 

[interim]

IMO, this is another good reason to legalize euthanasia. There will be a legal age, and most will be encouraged to wait for it, since it will be painless and risk free. The reality is, the human brain isn't developed until 25. This means that under 18, you definitely can't make a rational choice. I'm pro-choice, but this also means that you must be actually able to do it. Until 18, you are responsibility of the parents and the society, so if something happens to you, they are really guilty, including legally.

 

[Onomotopoeia]

As someone well into adulthood and having never really changed my personal choice to want to CTB. I really do agree it should not be a choice made as a child. There are consistent life changes until about your mid 20's and it can make all the difference, it didnt for me but looking back it's clear that there was lots of potential for a change in view before I was say 25, literally everything changed constantly before then. Now 10 years later and literally nothing has changed in that time. Youth leaves a lot of room for change

 

[TheGoodGuy]

If you are less than 18 years old and suicidal DO ctb.
My life ended when I was 17 I turn 25 next month and life does not get better if you have been suicidal from a young age like me (14) then life doesn´t get better only worse year by year.

 

[pepalisboa13]

Lol, I read this same crap when I signed up for ASH and ASM (Alt Suicide Holiday/Methods) over ten years ago when I was 11 or 12. It's kind of amazing how little these places change. I've only gotten more suicidal as I've gotten older, and wish I ctb when I was younger. Who made you king of other's life decisions? This site doesn't allow those under 18 to sign up anymore anyway. Those who ignore it aren't going to have their minds changed by your post.

Is ASH still active?

 

[Severen]

The truth is, very few people are pro life because a pro life person actually tries to make other people happy and not just stay alive... An actual pro life person would go around helping homeless people with money, shelter if they have the resources etc. An actual pro life person would save children from an abusive parent or two, Batman style. Like breaking through the window of a house and grabbing that abusive piece of shit parent by the neck and telling him or her, if you don't stop, I'm going to pay you another visit even though such behavior is "illegal." So they would have to have a secret hideout to avoid the police, hunting them down. An actual pro life person would become friends with a good person who can't make friends. An actual pro life person would try to conquer the world and forge an everlasting Empire so he or she could turn this hellish planet into something hospitable for all, putting an end to all chaos, corruption and bringing true order, law and peace into existence under the benevolent rule of one highly intelligent Emperor for all eternity(because when you allow too many people to have power, that increases the chances of sociopaths worming their way in). Like the Empire in Star Wars, for example(the real good guys in the story). So most of these "pro life" people are just pro suffering people. In other words, pure evil fucking bastards. And saying someone shouldn't CTB before the age of 18 is a bold statement(that's all I'm accusing you of so no I'm not trying to crucify you online for this) considering a lot of people aren't fortunate to be born with mentally and physically healthy bodies. And parents who don't torture them 24/7 as much as possible. WTF are you supposed to do if you are born and by the time you are 10 or 12 etc, you look like the Elephant Man or Quasimodo? Just deal with having to live in a cathedral, cave, basement, attic or underground labyrinth all your life? OR what if you were just born to be an ugly mother fucker with a speech impediment? Children and teens will tear you a new asshole on a daily basis. What about being born with the kind of mother, Henry Lee Lucas had? Really, it all depends on what is in store for them, the second after they are born. There is no true answer for everyone 18 or younger.

Lol, I read this same crap when I signed up for ASH and ASM (Alt Suicide Holiday/Methods) over ten years ago when I was 11 or 12. It's kind of amazing how little these places change. I've only gotten more suicidal as I've gotten older, and wish I ctb when I was younger. Who made you king of other's life decisions? This site doesn't allow those under 18 to sign up anymore anyway. Those who ignore it aren't going to have their minds changed by your post.

The owners had no choice because they have become the target of a pro suffering crusade from a nutjob in Pennsylvania and her minions.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

As such 18 is an arbitrary age division and doesn't mean much in terms of suffering. I do think that there are certain circumstances that will either no longer be applicable or straighten themselves out in adulthood, and I always hope young people have the foresight to see that themselves. I think rationally, it's always smart to ask yourself if you will have the same problems in five, ten, twenty years or if there are other avenues you can try in order to find relief. For anyone young reading this, know that you will change in adulthood - your brain will also change, and your ability to cope with problems will also very likely improve. Young people (and indeed anyone) should really do their best to exhaust all options in terms of treatment and feeling better.

 

[been_there]

@Severen Mostly good points against such generalisation. But I would counter with: youngsters tend to feel things harder and they've probably only been in one environment that isn't their own. The pain of a first relationship going down is massive. Romantic betrayal. Drunken craziness. Psychedelics. The impulsivity of youth. Academic failure or perfectionism. Feelings of failing parents. Feelings of losing friends. Moving home. The suicide domino effect. All of these can be primary reasons to ctb for those under 18, when they may well look back later after some experience and shake their heads. Or becoming victims to abusive parents, when they may well recover once they can get away. Maybe severe physical illness is the exception that proves the rule.

Am pro-choice all the way but with the caveat that youth is the exception to that 99.9% of the time. Its not even about age really, anyone with little life experience for whatever reason should at least try to change that first. Please understand I don't set out to patronise or deny human feeling or suffering which exist whatever age you are. But CTB deserves full consideration. Have a good look at the world before making the big decision.