Discussion if someone was suicidal like you irl, would you help them in achieving their peace if they asked you?

[xoirse]

people would say it's an indirect contribution to murder and we should all be punished if we ever did, even this site is being called that way. but how do you think this situation would differ irl? would you tell them that you were also suicidal? maybe do it together with them?

 

[Mäximum]

I thought about that a lot of times and that's how I would do it:

I would accept the decision of the person while also telling them that they should really think about it more than once, as ctb isn't just easy to do. Asking questions why they want to do it and if they tried anything at all to fix the problem which causes this decision is also something I would do. Just making sure, that they really mean it. I hope you get what I mean.
If the person has a method and is 100% sure that ctb is the right choice for them, I will provide them with the research I already made, just so that the person has more infos on how to ctb without failing and ending with long term effects.

 

[walkingdead2023]

Absolutely not!

 

[casual_existence]

Maybe. It would be quite difficult I think. A while ago I posted in the partners megathread and ended up chickening out but maybe if I didn't have to do it then I would help them. That's practically like saying that I want to be a murderer but at least for me that's not the case.
I think it would just help them if I did it for them since some people just want someone there for their death. But then who would help me?

 

[Kish]

Of course, I'll help them find peace.
because only someone who is suicidal can truly understand the pain and emotions they are going through.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I wouldn't help them as I don't really have the ability or power to but I'd respect their decision no matter what and I wouldn't stop them.

In my case, if I were to be the one who is suicidal irl and meet somebody else, I think that I would want @FuneralCry. She's the only one who I know that would respect my decision to be dead and she wouldn't stop me due to a human desire to keep others alive or whatever. I think she's the only person compassionate enough to whom I would want to give my last words to and spend my last moments with before I be permanently in peace. I don't trust anybody else.

Sadly, suicide is so hard to do so I don't see myself doing an attempt in the near future but I'd still respect anybody else who wants to be permanently free from all suffering and pain

 

[filthystray]

Define 'help' are we reaching territory of assited suicide or like that one girl who egged on her bf to finish his attempt because in that case I wouldn't because that's very illegal and immoral. Immoral more meaning like making them feel like it's the sole option for them rather than a option. If not then I'm a crisis counselor, volunteet but still get to talk to many people who consider ctb so I would probably talk to them first in a warm non judgemental tone. Ask them what they see as their options and maybe helping them to think of more. If they still feel like ctb is their only option then I would refer them to 988 to talk it out with one more person if they want then I would leave them to their own thoughts. Make it so at the end the ball is in their court.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It definitely would have legal implications, particularly if you only assisted the other person and did not, also, kill yourself. The family of the other person who did kill themselves with your help could sue you civilly, or even your estate, for wrongful death. You could be charged criminally, also. The Op's question is a tough one to answer without knowing all the circumstances of (a) situation. Sometimes in life you need to do what's right regardless of the consequences.

 

[tbroken]

I don't care about legal implications, but i would let them decide by themselves. You can never know what is truly inside people mind.

 

[TiredOfAllThis]

Suicide pact - maybe.

 

[DarkThoughts]

I'd like to pact with someone, I believe it would ease the anxiety. But it's a struggle to find someone fairly local, and most importantly TRUSTWORTHY. You need to be absolutely sure, not just of your desire to CTB, but your commitment to letting them go too. I know many people fear the possibility of one surviving, as that would (in all likelihood) end up with a trip in the back of a police van. This doesn't bother me personally, though.

 

[luneylonegirl]

people would say it's an indirect contribution to murder and we should all be punished if we ever did, even this site is being called that way. but how do you think this situation would differ irl? would you tell them that you were also suicidal? maybe do it together with them?

I don't see helping others to have a comfortable and painless death as something that should be punished. If we don't help them, they'll still take their own life. I personality see helping others to ctb is an act of humanity. No one should suffer when they really really want to die that bad. Also, if we help someone suicide, we can help them too if they really want to abort their act.
The case will be different if someone still want to live, wanting a fail suicide, and still have a will to live even it's small. I personally will help them to get help and not recommending suicide.
Of course this statement only apply when there is no law. In the real case, i will consider ctb with them.

 

[gantaigarashi]

Definitely not. As much as a dick move it is, I'll just say the standard "just go to therapy bro" bs. I don't want to be labelled as some sort of criminal.

I have a mask in society where I try to act as normal as I can and I intend to keep that mask until I CTB

 

[Linda]

It depends what you mean by "help". Some things are OK, some are not.

Providing factual information is OK. Saying that you understand and/or respect their decision is OK. Being there with them when they ctb, either in person, by phone, or online, so they don't die alone is OK, so long as you don't do or say anything that would push them towards catching the bus.

Providing something they will use to ctb may not be OK (though it might depend on what the "something" was; if it's something they could easily buy at the local store themselves, and which is only peripheral to their ctb method, it might be hard to argue that you are doing anything improper). Buying a gun for them, for example, or giving them a bottle of SN, would certainly not be OK. But I think it would be hard to argue that buying an empty bottle they can use to store their SN is improper. Saying things like "Yes, you should do it" would not be OK (even if your own private opinion is that they have made the right choice). Actively helping them when they ctb, such as pulling the trigger of a gun, or pushing them off a tall building because they are too scared to jump, would definitely not be OK.

I think a good guideline is the two lines they used to teach to medical students. (Perhaps they still do.)
Thou shalt not kill; but need'st not strive
Officiously to keep alive

 

[Suicide Girl]

recentemente contei a uma amiga que também tem pensamentos suicidas que pensou em ctb e que já tinha um método para isso..ela me perguntou sobre o método mas preferi não falar

 

[falling_snow]

i now a girl who is suicidal (but not to my level). i like being there when she feels down and give her support. she is there for me and we can talk openly about suicide. i gave her advice about hanging, as she doesnt know much, and i wish that if she decides to ctb, that it could be as peaceful as possible, because she didnt know where to put the rope and the artheries, and that could be hurtful for her and probably end in a failed attempt.

 

[Forever Sleep]

If they are like me- then, they are capable of researching methods themselves, buying the resources themselves and carrying it out- by themselves. Personally- I wouldn't ask someone to assist me in suicide. That's risking up to 14 years in jail for them. So- if they have the same capabilities as me, I don't think it would be all that fair for them to ask me to say- buy stuff for them, or assist in their attempt.

I guess a pact is kind of different- where you both buy the necessary equipment separately and come together to do it. But- that would take a massive amount of trust. I think pacts are so risky.

The other scenario might be a very close family member or friend who was in no position to be able to get the resources to CTB, or administer them themselves. In which case though- they sound eligible for assisted suicide so, I would likely offer to support them in that process.

I think wherever possible, suicide should be an individual's decision and journey.

 

[Chronosphere]

Only if this person is very very close to me.

 

[SexyIncél]

The answers will be biased towards those who publicly claim they won't help. For obvious reasons

We should untangle points like:

• Is it moral to help someone escape their suffering, as they wish?
• In what circumstances should you help?
• What consideration do you give to whatever random nation-state's rules? (That it may or may not be able to enforce)

 

[RemainingDubious]

how do you think this situation would differ irl? would you tell them that you were also suicidal? maybe do it together with them?

i personally don't like people being hypocrites, so i try my hardest not to be hypocritical myself.

i speak my mind and say things how i see them. People seem to hate that about me and often end up feeling some type of way. How i personally see something doesn't mean my limited perception is correct.

i'd let them know i'm able to empathise with how they feel. Depending on their reasons and whatever. i might say how i'd like to ctb and ask if they want to do it together. i'm not 100% certain sure since i haven't been in that position.

 

[InAgony]

No, I would not. I have enough moral issues with my own suicide, let alone helping someone else. I'd always try to help them in the traditional ways as much as I would hate myself for saying the usual garbage that I hate hearing myself. I'd probably say I know it's not much help. I might tell them I'm suicidal too to empathise with them and make sure they don't feel alone.

 

[kilowatt]

I would definitely teach them CTB is nowhere as easy as it seems and tell them a lot of answers I wish I had when I first became suicidal. I would only properly help them or even do it with them if it was someone close to me.

 

[Guy Smiley]

It depends on several things. What is their reason for wanting to die? How long have they been suicidal? What is their life/situation like? How old are they? Do they have dependents? What have they tried doing to get better? Are they of sound mind and judgement (are they in touch with reality and capable of rational, reasonable, and logical thinking?).

 

[Bat12]

I thought about that a lot of times and that's how I would do it:

I would accept the decision of the person while also telling them that they should really think about it more than once, as ctb isn't just easy to do. Asking questions why they want to do it and if they tried anything at all to fix the problem which causes this decision is also something I would do. Just making sure, that they really mean it. I hope you get what I mean.
If the person has a method and is 100% sure that ctb is the right choice for them, I will provide them with the research I already made, just so that the person has more infos on how to ctb without failing and ending with long term effects.

i too think about this a lot and have the similar opinion however i personally think it's dependent on the person. For example i could imagine being much closer and open to it with a girl going through similar experiences i feel connected to opposed to someone that serves me at shops for instance no matter how much inside i would want to help them in any way i could

 

[lita-lassi]

im currently debating going out with a bang with my partner whos asked me many times to give him permission. i cant though. because he isnt asking if i think its okay, of course i think its okay, this living thing is an absolute fuckstick existence, hes asking if ILL be okay and fuck no i wont and im not a liar. while we both want to die for different reasons, hes been wanting to die for much longer than me and has attempted at least 2x before. ive not because im determined to at least not fuck that up. much as i wish circumstances would/will change for both of our positions in life and make something, ANYthing better, it isnt enough to be optimistic anymore. i dont think either of us has the willpower left for optimism. i lack purpose and dont want to be alone when i go. i think at least being with someone who knows and loves me and wants the same thing and vis versa for him is one of the better ways anyone can hope to go, though maybe im just rationalizing a really awful grim situation

 

[drezteck83]

Yes

 

[DazaiKinnie]

I probably will help them as I can with information. I can't give them substances/poison/drugs/meds(insert any other ctb method) directly because I can't even get them for myself

 

[Twiceler]

I would help unconditionally.

 

[SevenDayWeekend]

I would help them if it was a pact between us to both do it. I wouldn't help someone to do it alone or if I wasn't wanting to do it myself.

 

[ctbcat]

... i'd want them to pact with me if they were sure about it. but i'd probably have to interrogate them just a little first to make sure that they're sure.