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watchingthewheels

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Related to my "Ghost in the Machine" thread: A recent event got me thinking about suicidal ideation caused by External events vs. by one's reaction to external events. Specifically, being upset that something that happened vs. the internal struggle to deal with those events.

I was dragged into an online debate the past two days that I was not looking to engage in, and the person managed to get under my skin. Despite trying to let it go I woke up this morning, and was still thinking about it. "Involuntary ruminations", you might say. This has been a long-time problem for me. Despite therapy, philosophy, self-help, and life experience, I find that the bigger threat is not always the outside event, but my internal reactions to them. "Old scripts playing out", as they say. This is despite knowing that those scripts don't always apply; sometimes the other person is full of it, or that it's not a big deal, and all the cliches about "don't respond; react", "be mindful", etc. It's like I have two minds, and they're at war with each other. I don't know if it's "flight-or-fight" or what, but it's torture, because it's involuntary.

When I'm more successful, I can talk myself down, sometimes by reasoning out the problem, sometimes by reverse psychology. But it's a constant struggle over big and small events. It's like a war of attrition, meant to wear down my resistance. I spend more time and energy dealing with the internal struggle than the external struggles in many cases. It's one reason why I limit my social media interactions, in cases like the recent one, and keep to myself. But it doesn't necessarily have to be an argument, it can be about a decision to make, even something as innocuous as changing phone carriers. It's always "flight-or-fight", to make the best choice or else.

I think it's partly biological, amygdala-wise, but also a response to childhood trauma and abuse, where I had too much burden from a young age, being parentified and taking the weight of the world on my shoulders as a result, with mistakes being costly. The other part of it, something that Stephan Molyneux said to me in my call-in, relates to the "two minds" comment I just made. When I was trying to justify my guilt over cutting my mother out of my life a few years ago after her abuse resurfaced, I said I was of "two minds" about it. He wouldn't let me finish that thought. He said I was NOT of two minds, meaning my own, but that HERS was the second mind, controlling me from a young age. Compared it to "The Eye of Sauron" from LORD OF THE RINGS. (That actually made sense, to me.) I'm being hindered by my own decisions by the programming she put in their from an early age, and it's ingrained in me, constantly at war with it, even at this age, and after identifying the problem and rejecting the voice. But it's still embedded. Logic and reason alone can't seem to eliminate it, they can only hold it at bay.

It's not just mental, either; the physical gets intertwined. I'm perpetually tense, even when I think I'm calm, and I don't even realize it until my body starts making me notice it. A lifetime of armoring and flight-or-fight sends my body into automatic defense mode when it's not called for, which affects my thoughts, subconsciously or unconsciously, and that takes work to be constantly mindful, and I spend time and energy just getting that under control. I've had pinched nerves and even shattered a tooth from involuntary jaw spasms because of the physical reactions.

That's where I think a lot of it stems from, for me, and it carries over into everything else, matters big and small. All the things I've learned to deal with it HAVE helped me get this far, but not without a cost. I feel like I've done everything I'm supposed to do about it, but it's never going to be eliminated. It's a constant war of attrition that I'm getting tired of fighting; diminishing returns.

Does this make sense to anyone else?
 
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Yeah, I get a little too worked up over these kinds of details sometimes, as well. It has been getting way better with age but I also get that stress response when thinking about certain more important tasks or trying to plan things. Not having that stress/anxiety or feeling like you have to do something is a huge pull factor for me when it comes to cingtb.

About the voices, they are meant to scare you into improving your position for the future. They can take inspiration from guardians, strangers, teachers, the internet, and so on. Scare you into working hard, being socially acceptable in every way, etc. I have personally gotten rid of a huge number of those voices and the effects of this "freedom" is what most people would consider a disastrous, pathetic and awful life-situation.

I guess this would be dealt with by classic stress management. Increase relaxation rather than decrease stress is a good piece of advice. Also to accept the anxiety and be able to act with it, in the same way that we go to the gym despite feeling like we have no energy left to spare.
 
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watchingthewheels

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I have personally gotten rid of a huge number of those voices and the effects of this "freedom" is what most people would consider a disastrous, pathetic and awful life-situation.
That's kinda why I picked the name "Watching the Wheels", after the John Lennon song.
I guess this would be dealt with by classic stress management. Increase relaxation rather than decrease stress is a good piece of advice. Also to accept the anxiety and be able to act with it, in the same way that we go to the gym despite feeling like we have no energy left to spare.

That's what I've tried to do for a good while, but the world has other plans...like, when you're playing a video game and you start to master one level, and the difficulty on the next one increases, or the speed gets faster, like in Tetris, to the point where it's too overwhelming. Again, that "War of attrition." On that note, the past few years, it feels like I entered a warp-zone from level 7 to 70. My coping abilities are now pushed beyond my limits. And this whole world-wide manifestation has destroyed my sense of sanctuary. (Oddly enough, the gym thing...our apartment complex sent out a email threatening to shut down our gym because of people not wearing masks...I stopped using the gym this time last year, when this whole thing started. I had JUST started using it three months prior, after getting back into shape after my kidney stone ordeal. See what I mean? It's the whole big cosmic joke/war of attrition.)
 
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Aug 3, 2020
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All of my ideation is created by external circumstances. I tried to be positive the first few years, but the more time went by the shittier things got for me due to hate and discrimination. If I had a real job that I could focus my energy on that might change, but every time I get a job, either customers or co workers revolt and destroy the opportunity. If I had the cosmetic surgeries that might make things easier, who knows, but with no real job or insurance it is a total impossibility. So externally I have become nothing more than a sex toy, and I refuse to even participate in that now.
 
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watchingthewheels

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See what I mean? It's the whole big cosmic joke/war of attrition.)
That's what gets me the most. I am not the kind of person to just give up, make excuses, etc. even thought the internal programming of that "Eye of Sauron" would like nothing more. It's always been that inner tug-of-war, but I fight it. I find the solutions, and persevere. But it's constant and relentless, and I'm tired of it. If it were just finding the solutions to practical problems, that'd be one thing, but it's the constant moral struggle against people who intentionally inflict suffering that is demoralizing, and having that embedded "Eye of Sauron" is a big advantage in their favor. It's why Frodo, despite his victory, had to leave the Shire for "The Undying Lands" (ironic name). Even in victory, the internal struggle becomes too much.
That's what gets me the most. I am not the kind of person to just give up, make excuses, etc. even thought the internal programming of that "Eye of Sauron" would like nothing more. It's always been that inner tug-of-war, but I fight it. I find the solutions, and persevere. But it's constant and relentless, and I'm tired of it. If it were just finding the solutions to practical problems, that'd be one thing, but it's the constant moral struggle against people who intentionally inflict suffering that is demoralizing, and having that embedded "Eye of Sauron" is a big advantage in their favor. It's why Frodo, despite his victory, had to leave the Shire for "The Undying Lands" (ironic name). Even in victory, the internal struggle becomes too much.

As far as coping and solutions: It used to be about making my way in the world, carving out my place. Then it became finding my space. Now, it seems like the solution is not to expand, but to contract.
 
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Fear is the mind killer
Aug 3, 2020
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That's what gets me the most. I am not the kind of person to just give up, make excuses, etc. even thought the internal programming of that "Eye of Sauron" would like nothing more. It's always been that inner tug-of-war, but I fight it. I find the solutions, and persevere. But it's constant and relentless, and I'm tired of it. If it were just finding the solutions to practical problems, that'd be one thing, but it's the constant moral struggle against people who intentionally inflict suffering that is demoralizing, and having that embedded "Eye of Sauron" is a big advantage in their favor. It's why Frodo, despite his victory, had to leave the Shire for "The Undying Lands" (ironic name). Even in victory, the internal struggle becomes too much.
I left the shire several times in search of acceptance. All I have found is more hate. I am glad you can figure it oujt, bu I simply have no chance of meeting my goals in life. As such, being utterly alone, I have made my mind up.
 
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