Discussion I wonder what "pro lifers" have to say about this

[ericwilkinson]

I don't know whether any of you saw this story before but this woman ate some chicken/nuts accidentally which she was allergic to and now she's stuck in that way.

 

[not_a_robot]

Supposedly people drop dead left and right from room-temperature rice too. Life is stupid.

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

That's no life. That's a living torture. So cruel. Another example of Drs saving a life at all costs!!

 

[TimeToDie]

Another example of how exceedingly difficult it is to die.

 

[chrijo]

Pro-Lifers would say - "She was lucky to survive, now she can start a new and better life"

 

[FauxEmotions]

It's so strange, "we'll do anything for her" except let her exit the world with dignity. Not saying she's nothing in the state she's in but how can people keep others in this world when everything about that person has been stripped from them? I get it, death is painful, but I can't imagine the pain they feel every day looking at more or less an empty shell of who they knew. I've said it before, I'll say it again, life is too fragile and fucked up.

 

[Oblivion Lover]

Pro-lifers would probably say something like "she's lucky to not be dead" or "god was merciful and let her live" or "this is the will of god" or s*** like that. It is so sick that it makes me want to vomit. I hate society.

Edit: Sigh... I just told my religious fanatic mother about this story as an example of how merciless her god is and she started talking about how lucky I am and how merciful god is for sparing me from that suffering. For context, I suffered hypoxia during birth, but I managed to survive with only minor brain damage thanks to a nurse. When I asked my mother why god wasn't merciful with that allergic woman too, she just shrugged and tried to change the subject. I hate religion.

 

[blanketyblk]

That's beyond cruel. that poor women. thats not living. if anything it's like being stuck in living version of hell.

 

[puppy9]

Doctors and their hypocritical oath.

 

[LifeIsACurse]

I can't stand the thought of being a vegetable or having brain damage. That's just cruel.

 

[Soul]

... I reckon I'd have to hear what the woman herself feels about it. No one else can judge whether or not her life is worth living.

 

[FauxEmotions]

... I reckon I'd have to hear what the woman herself feels about it. No one else can judge whether or not her life is worth living.

Great point.

 

[secondtimesthecharm]

... I reckon I'd have to hear what the woman herself feels about it. No one else can judge whether or not her life is worth living.

You know, I was wondering about that... the article says that she can't speak "properly" and that she's in speech therapy, but there's no indication that she's entirely unable to communicate or convey emotion in an understandable way to others. Yet there's nothing on how she feels about her life, not even from a friend or family member's perspective. There has to be some sort of sign or indication she's given on whether she wants to live like this, so why isn't that mentioned?

 

[MAIO]

It's so strange, "we'll do anything for her" except let her exit the world with dignity. Not saying she's nothing in the state she's in but how can people keep others in this world when everything about that person has been stripped from them? I get it, death is painful, but I can't imagine the pain they feel every day looking at more or less an empty shell of who they knew. I've said it before, I'll say it again, life is too fragile and fucked up.

To be fair the most against death and suicide are the religious, you know those who say the 100% believe they are going to be in eternal paradise forever the best state imaginable forever. Yet they do everything they can to avoid death, prolong their life and are deeply saddened when a loved once pass.

 

[alizee]

My gosh what a tragedy of fate.

I've seen brain damage in person and it's worse than what's emotionally felt from reading the article.

The inability of functioning normal is my main fear when it comes to a failed suicide. This all makes me furious that administered suicide is so restricted. Ending up like a shell of the former self by a failed suicide and having irrational people not consider death being appropriate.

I would wager a lot that you could have a person firmly stating they "desire death than living in an awful state of not being able to care for oneself" when it comes to basic daily tasks and that desire to die is GONE after the event of major brain damage.

I mean where's the common sense? A necessary section of the brain isn't functioning anymore and thus the person can be manipulated & conditioned by evil. Yes, evil people that only care about whatever pleasure they give their deluded minds from thinking they're doing good by keeping a life on earth.

Ugh...it's just so wrong but what can be done about it?

 

[FauxEmotions]

To be fair the most against death and suicide are the religious, you know those who say the 100% believe they are going to be in eternal paradise forever the best state imaginable forever. Yet they do everything they can to avoid death, prolong their life and are deeply saddened when a loved once pass.

Oh no doubt. I no longer believe/am a religious person yet I still have a voice in the back of my head that says "what if?".

 

[MAIO]

Oh no doubt. I no longer believe/am a religious person yet I still have a voice in the back of my head that says "what if?".

I don't have that voice. To me it's the same as saying the sun revolves around us. All the evidence points otherwise, religions all contradict themselves have major flaws etc.

 

[JoeFailure]

Ugh this is horrible. I pray for her that she's either somehow ok with this or it'll end soon for her. Why does all this suffering exist?

 

[TimeToDie]

... I reckon I'd have to hear what the woman herself feels about it. No one else can judge whether or not her life is worth living.

I too wish they had interviewed her. Though if she told a reporter that she was in a living hell and that she desperately wanted to die, do you think there is any real chance that her story would ever be published?

 

[alizee]

I too wish they had interviewed her. Though if she told a reporter that she was in a living hell and that she desperately wanted to die, do you think there is any real chance that her story would ever be published?

Do you not realize that the same person "mentally" isn't actual existing anymore? I'm curious if people on here actually think she is capable of making a decision such as if life is Hell. Do people not know the picture in the article that's shown before the allergy incident.. That person is basically dead. So whatever is voiced from her now isn't going to be able to communicate her life is now Hell. She may have rare flashes of lucid thoughts for all we know, but being short lived and making her unable to communicate them with eye movement or whatever.

 

[TimeToDie]

Do you not realize that the same person "mentally" isn't actual existing anymore? I'm curious if people on here actually think she is capable of making a decision if life is hell. Do people not know the picture in the article that's shown before the allergy incident.. That person is basically dead. So whatever is voiced from her now isn't going to be able to communicate her life is now Hell. She may have rare flashes of lucid thoughts but being short makes her unable to communicate even with eye movement or whatever.

I read the article and it gave me the impression that she had at least some mental capacity left and at least some minimal ability to communicate. That may or may not be the case. If she has no mental ability left then she doesn't meet any reasonable definition of "person" and in that case it's pointless to keep her alive.

 

[alizee]

I read the article and it gave me the impression that she had at least some mental capacity left and at least some minimal ability to communicate. That may or may not be the case. If she has no mental ability left then she doesn't meet any reasonable definition of "person" and in that case it's pointless to keep her alive.

I've been around persons that suffered a stroke and where their brain was severely damaged by the lack of oxygen to require 24/7 care "when they recovered" with the daily basic tasks we all live. They cannot get up from their wheelchair and they cannot speak. The way she is presented in the photos of the article makes me assume it's similar type of brain damage. The article having nothing stated from her makes me assume this even more. Anyway, she likely has some capacity for comprehension but it's nothing like what a normal adult woman would have from what I've witnessed with stroke victims. Some adults stroke victims revert back to a child like mentality that's not even like a child because there's clearly something wrong with the constant impulses they do.

 

[Soul]

It's still not up to us to judge the value of her life to her, just like it isn't anyone's prerogative to decide for us whether our lives are worth living.

 

[LifeIsNotFun]

If the family truly loves her, then they wouldn't let her suffer like that. So sad.

 

[HannibalLector]

I bet anyone reading that horror story with such condition - severe nut allergy - consider ctb just as a precaution to prevent possibility of such tragic events in this cruel world.

I wish someone on SS would contact her family and give them opportunity to read this thread. To give the family insight in their daughters unbearable suffering and consideration of the swiss option.

 

[Empty Smile]

I wish someone on SS would contact her family and give them opportunity to read this thread. To give the family insight in their daughters unbearable suffering and consideration of the swiss option.

Oh, we can't do that. Cause then people would say were trying to convince them to kill her.

 

[HannibalLector]

Oh, we can't do that. Cause then people would say were trying to convince them to kill her.

Pro lifers force their opinions on us. Pro choice also have freedom of speech. She needs us, it could have been you or me.

 

[Soul]

I too wish they had interviewed her. Though if she told a reporter that she was in a living hell and that she desperately wanted to die, do you think there is any real chance that her story would ever be published?

There was a young man who was paralyzed from a ctb attempt and could only communicate by blinking. The stories about him indicated that whenever he was asked if he still wanted to die he signalled yes. He finally did die, recently. But newspapers are capable of reporting stuff that isn't all rosy. I don't see why they'd avoid it in this case.

Maybe she's happily child-like and enjoying every day. Maybe she has no memory of ever being different. Maybe she's in a living hell. We don't know and can't judge.

 

[Alec]

Pro-lifers would probably say something like "she's lucky to not be dead" or "god was merciful and let her live" or "this is the will of god" or s*** like that. It is so sick that it makes me want to vomit. I hate society.

Edit: Sigh... I just told my religious fanatic mother about this story as an example of how merciless her god is and she started talking about how lucky I am and how merciful god is for sparing me from that suffering. For context, I suffered hypoxia during birth, but I managed to survive with only minor brain damage thanks to a nurse. When I asked my mother why god wasn't merciful with that allergic woman too, she just shrugged and tried to change the subject. I hate religion.

That's what hardcore religious people do, every time they are faced with something that doesn't make sense or doesn't follow the rules their religion makes up they immediately try to c hangs subject and won't ever admit that something that goes against the rules build by religion even exists.

 

[Jynxer]

I m ean, I wouldn't want to live that way. Id want to be unplugged after a day. But who's to say whether this woman would want that same thing.
We don't know her opinion on the matter. Some people feel that they should be kept alive no matter what.
That's why it's very important to let the people who care about you or your doctors know what you want if you should ever end up in this state, no matter what your age is.