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My worst self harm incident to date was when he got elected in 2016, and I still have prominent scars from this almost a decade later. The rise of extreme conservatism, White Nationalism, Christian Evangelical theocracy, and plain neo-fascism in the US is extremely upsetting and makes me want to not be alive anymore. I have no hope that this country will ever be "good" but it is destined for failure of this pedophilic, racist, homophobic felon gets in office again.

Project 2025 and the conservatives want to ban everything that makes life even marginally enjoyable. No porn, no alcohol or Marijuana, they want to make all my gay and transgender friends illegal and treat women like A Handmaid's Tale.

I am simply too disillusioned or maybe not strong enough to live through that, seeing all of our rights taken away until all the Bible Belt Boomers can finally feel safe at the end of their life. Fuck off, I hate these virtue-signaling assholes who just want control and theocracy.


If Trump wins in November I think I will be killing myself, I can't do it again.
 
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Feel same to that, OP. Was at a psych ward when 2016 happened and may end up worse should Trump be the one chosen for second term
 
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I feel I'm on that same rope (although, to be clear, that wouldn't be my first method of choice). But hang in there, I think things are turning against him. šŸ¤ž
 
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Hope so...
 
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Faith in Kamala must be had. Keep faith in Kamala.

Big crossroads ahead. We don't want any mix-ups.

WHO HAS THE MAP?
 
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Trump is going to win, there are too many issues and tensions beyond the US that are bigger than where we were pre-Trump. It's a terrible time and climate to live through and I feel you that it's very heavy scary and difficult to navigate and develop some kind of life out of, some people I know have managed to do it but they are few and far between in my experience. I wish you well and in peace whatever happens, be that in life or towards death.
 
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F@#$

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Politics is all bullshit. Does anyone really think orange man or kameltoe give two fucks about me or you? If you do your wrong. They're two wings of the same fuckin bird. Just there to shit on all of us.
 
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Politics is all bullshit. Does anyone really think orange man or kameltoe give two fucks about me or you? If you do your wrong. They're two wings of the same fuckin bird. Just there to shit on all of us.
I THINK Kamala got the raw end of the deal on THOSE nicknames....

Let me guess, I bet FOX NEWS put out that sucker....Sucker, Suck It, Sucker Punch, whatever it is, it's crude. A FOX NEWS soundbite if I've ever seen one.
 
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I THINK Kamala got the raw end of the deal on THOSE nicknames....

Let me guess, I bet FOX NEWS put out that sucker....Sucker, Suck It, Sucker Punch, whatever it is, it's crude. A FOX NEWS soundbite if I've ever seen one.
What the fuck are you talking about? Fox News?
Chupa te lo
 
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What the fuck are you talking about? Fox News?
Chupa te lo
Well let's just say I've never seen Kamala referred to that way on the Nightly News at NBC. I mean, not even on Saturday Night Live. And that's LATE NIGHT.
 
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My worst self harm incident to date was when he got elected in 2016, and I still have prominent scars from this almost a decade later. The rise of extreme conservatism, White Nationalism, Christian Evangelical theocracy, and plain neo-fascism in the US is extremely upsetting and makes me want to not be alive anymore. I have no hope that this country will ever be "good" but it is destined for failure of this pedophilic, racist, homophobic felon gets in office again.

Project 2025 and the conservatives want to ban everything that makes life even marginally enjoyable. No porn, no alcohol or Marijuana, they want to make all my gay and transgender friends illegal and treat women like A Handmaid's Tale.

I am simply too disillusioned or maybe not strong enough to live through that, seeing all of our rights taken away until all the Bible Belt Boomers can finally feel safe at the end of their life. Fuck off, I hate these virtue-signaling assholes who just want control and theocracy.


If Trump wins in November I think I will be killing myself, I can't do it again.
The country isn't going to be good regardless who wins, all politicians are corrupt.
Don't believe everything the media says. Trump may be secretly lying but he says he doesn't have involvement with project 25.
 
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Politics is all bullshit. Does anyone really think orange man or kameltoe give two fucks about me or you? If you do your wrong. They're two wings of the same fuckin bird. Just there to shit on all of us.
Yeah, they are just puppets of the capitalist class (landowners, big business, bankers as well as the imperialist military).
 
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Politics is all bullshit. Does anyone really think orange man or kameltoe give two fucks about me or you? If you do your wrong. They're two wings of the same fuckin bird. Just there to shit on all of us.
I feel like while Kamala isn't great she is definitely the lesser of two evils. It's easy to say that both parties equally bad when you aren't the one who has to worry the most about your livelihood being at risk. Based on my knowledge of US politics, a lot of people don't like either party but people still vote because one party is worse than the other.

The Republican party actually leans further right in comparison to other conservative parties in other Western countries. The American political spectrum in general is skewed further right, so voting for republicans can have much more severe consequences for marginalized people in comparison to voting for democrats. It's not about who cares the most about you, it's about who will likely screw you over the least.
 
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I feel I'm on that same rope (although, to be clear, that wouldn't be my first method of choice). But hang in there, I think things are turning against him. šŸ¤ž
God I hope so, it's so frustrating to see him constantly say and do more absurd and terrible things but somehow still his cult sticks around
Politics is all bullshit. Does anyone really think orange man or kameltoe give two fucks about me or you? If you do your wrong. They're two wings of the same fuckin bird. Just there to shit on all of us.
Only one is an admitted rapist and 34x convicted felon
Feel same to that, OP. Was at a psych ward when 2016 happened and may end up worse should Trump be the one chosen for second term
Hugs, I really fucking
Yeah, they are just puppets of the capitalist class (landowners, big business, bankers as well as the imperialist military).
Only one side has an offical platform built on taking basic rights away and further oppressing and erasing marginalized groups. They are all capitalists yes but they are not "as bad as the other" conservative policies have real harmful effects on real life people
 
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Oh that might be the last straw for me, I'm already chronically suicidal šŸ˜­
 
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Politics is all bullshit. Does anyone really think orange man or kameltoe give two fucks about me or you? If you do your wrong. They're two wings of the same fuckin bird. Just there to shit on all of us.
The dems aren't left enough for me, but one party offers reproductive and LGBTQ rights protection and the other doesn't. So, no, they aren't really the same.
 
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Yeah, they are just puppets of the capitalist class (landowners, big business, bankers as well as the imperialist military).
Exactly,unless you're donating 7 figures you don't matter.
I feel like while Kamala isn't great she is definitely the lesser of two evils. It's easy to say that both parties equally bad when you aren't the one who has to worry the most about your livelihood being at risk. Based on my knowledge of US politics, a lot of people don't like either party but people still vote because one party is worse than the other.

The Republican party actually leans further right in comparison to other conservative parties in other Western countries. The American political spectrum in general is skewed further right, so voting for republicans can have much more severe consequences for marginalized people in comparison to voting for democrats. It's not about who cares the most about you, it's about who will likely screw you over the least.
I think either party will fuck me just as hard.
 
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The dems aren't left enough for me, but one party offers reproductive and LGBTQ rights protection and the other doesn't. So, no, they aren't really the same.
both will fuck us in their own ways sure one may have benefits but there will always be disadvantages
 
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Why are we arguing politics in the suicide form? Isn't there plenty of other places to pollute with all this election bullshit?!
 
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Why are we arguing politics in the suicide form? Isn't there plenty of other places to pollute with all this election bullshit?!
op said they would ctb if trump won
 
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I can empathize OP, my mental health further deteriorated when Vonshitzinpants was first elected but hope you don't ctb should
he win, which i don't think is going to happen. I think women voters especially may thwart his return but everyone who can vote, i hope they do vote.

Harris is easily the lesser of two evils, to claim they are exactly the same is BS.
Only one of those two are linked with exactly what the OP laid out.

I especially would call out all the men who claim they are exactly the same, when women's rights, lgbtq rights and
even civil rights have deteriorated thanks to Vonshitzinpants. Easy for you to say since you must not be concerned
with being a rape victim and being forced to give birth, even if you're a child. Not concerned about racism
and christian white nationalism.

Only one of the two led an insurrection on the capitol not to mention numerous other crimes and misdeeds, yet they're both the same?

And Project 2025 is very real and very organized.
Why are we arguing politics in the suicide form? Isn't there plenty of other places to pollute with all this election bullshit?!
You yourself began it, scroll up to see your post.
 
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Project 2025 and the conservatives want to ban everything that makes life even marginally enjoyable. No porn, no alcohol or Marijuana, they want to make all my gay and transgender friends illegal and treat women like A Handmaid's Tale.

I am simply too disillusioned or maybe not strong enough to live through that, seeing all of our rights taken away until all the Bible Belt Boomers can finally feel safe at the end of their life. Fuck off, I hate these virtue-signaling assholes who just want control and theocracy.
I hate Trump but IMHO (I wouldn't be on this site if I were only saying this to be pro-life) none of these are likely to happen. Also disclaimer that I'm British, but I'm a little bit autistically obsessed with US political & government stuff.

Weed is already criminalised federally; if the federal government tried to prosecute for it even in states where it's legal, they'd piss off both the stoners and the states' rights crowd. Criminalising alcohol would be an even bigger vote loser.

It's plausible that gay marriage becomes something where only some states can recognise it; Obergefell is the only thing standing in the way of that, and the current Supreme Court's composition might be keen to overturn that. But it's unclear to me whether Trump would even choose to go after gay people to do more than that. Recall that Trump was the first US president to voice support for gay marriage before inauguration day. He surrounds himself with lots of Christian types because he's in right-wing American politics and they're everywhere, but he'd only actually go after gays if it benefitted him in some way. And I really don't think it would - it'd galvanise the very fringe of his base who were going to support him anyway & repulse everyone else.

There are definite links between Trump and the Heritage Foundation, but most of the Project 2025 stuff I don't think is likely to actually happen - Trump cares only for himself and his popularity, and he wouldn't want to split his own base with insane policies. My concern here is that the politicisation of the Executive Branch might enable him to weaponise it to help in his scheming like he did post-2020 (stuff like getting an Attorney General who'll support his bullshit claims). But this is different to your fear.

Also, probably most importantly: a lot of this stuff is unconstitutional. Sure, abortion used to be considered a constitutional right, but it was on fairly shaky legal ground regardless. Roe identified the right under the "penumbra" of multiple separate rights, under a theory that the conjunction of these rights confers a right to an abortion. Even legal scholars are torn on this - while IMO the ruling had positive impacts - the actual legal grounds undergirding it weren't hugely compelling in the first place.

But when it comes to stuff like theocratic government, this is a very clear-cut constitutional violation: the Establishments clause explicitly prevents this. I don't think even the current Supreme Court, with the wacky decisions it's made so far, would uphold an explicit policy decision made on religious grounds. We have to look at a case-by-case basis of which Project 2025 wishes could survive legal challenges.

As to why Trump even hangs out with the Heritage Foundation guys at all: I think they probably just give him lots of shit. Like they help galvanise his Christian base a lot, and probably give him lots of money (& free trips on a private plane!). And some parts of Project 2025, like the aforementioned politicisation of the civil service, are things Trump wanted to do anyway. But at core, Trump cares solely for himself. And going after the gays will not help himself at all, even if he somehow succeeds at getting it through the courts.

tl;dr (sorry I'm stoned and wrote more than I should've): Trump has 0 thoughts about anything other than himself, and doing a lot of the stuff you described would NOT help him at all. Also good chance some of this stuff wouldn't survive in the courts.
 
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I think either party will fuck me just as hard.
Yeah, because both the Republican and Democrat parties are well known for things, such as taking away reproductive rights and LGBTQ+ rights./s

I feel like this type of mentality stems less from actual political knowledge and more from wanting to pretend to be rebellious and "in the know" about things. It reminds me of those dudes who were try to argue that is centrist was punk, despite that subculture being well-known for generally leaning left. You don't vote for just yourself and your well-being, but also to ensure the well-being of those around you. To act as though both political parties are equal in how bad they are just highlights how ignorant you are to the ongoing issues with each party. One party doesn't mind taking away the rights of others they don't like. There is a reason why a lot of people from marginalized groups in particular are panicking right now and keeping a close eye on the election. There are even republicans who are now advocating for people to vote blue for this election because they are aware of bad things could go if Trump gets elected.

While likely unintentional, you are kind of showcasing that you don't tend to think about how these things impact anyone outside of yourself.
 
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I can empathize OP, my mental health further deteriorated when Vonshitzinpants was first elected but hope you don't ctb should
he win, which i don't think is going to happen. I think women voters especially may thwart his return but everyone who can vote, i hope they do vote.

Harris is easily the lesser of two evils, to claim they are exactly the same is BS.
Only one of those two are linked with exactly what the OP laid out.

I especially would call out all the men who claim they are exactly the same, when women's rights, lgbtq rights and
even civil rights have deteriorated thanks to Vonshitzinpants. Easy for you to say since you must not be concerned
with being a rape victim and being forced to give birth, even if you're a child. Not concerned about racism
and christian white nationalism.

Only one of the two led an insurrection on the capitol not to mention numerous other crimes and misdeeds, yet they're both the same?

And Project 2025 is very real and very organized.

You yourself began it, scroll up to see your post.

Trump himself claims that he has no association with project 2025. I seriously doubt it would be passed, and if it did, then yes it would be a major issue, but what do I know, maybe Trump is deceiving us.
Also what does this have to do with gender? There are tons of conservative women. My mom is a trump supporter and I myself do not like Trump despite being a man.
Trump himself claims that he has no association with project 2025. I seriously doubt it would be passed, and if it did, then yes it would be a major issue, but what do I know, maybe Trump is deceiving us.
Also what does this have to do with gender? There are tons of conservative women. My mom is a trump supporter and I myself do not like Trump despite being a man.
and yes if trump actually did pass project 2025 then kamela would probably be better
 
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Trump himself claims that he has no association with project 2025. I seriously doubt it would be passed, and if it did, then yes it would be a major issue, but what do I know, maybe Trump is deceiving us.
Also what does this have to do with gender? There are tons of conservative women. My mom is a trump supporter and I myself do not like Trump despite being a man.
why would i believe anything Vonshitzinpants says? because he's trustworthy?? A man who has shown he cares about himself and only himself.

not to mention he's clearly in cognitive decline, rambling, nonsensical speeches and no one calls him out on it in the media, like they did with Biden.
 
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why would i believe anything Vonshitzinpants says? because he's trustworthy??
not to mention he's clearly in cognitive decline, rambling, nonsensical speeches.
Probably not, but theres no proof he will actually pass it.
 
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They're all corrupt, incompetent and narcissistic. Sad that these 2 are the best that the USA has to choose from.
 
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I think women voters especially may thwart his return but everyone who can vote, i hope they do vote.
This isn't entirely accurate. There are quite a few women who are Trump supporters. This is because white cis-women, especially those from a middle-class evangelical background, have a history of advocating for and furthering fascist movements. In 2016, 52% of white women voted for Trump. In 2020, 55% of white women voted for Trump. Compare this with Black, Asian, and Latina women, who overwhelmingly voted for Biden (especially black women). Now, this isn't me trying to slander white women since I'm aware that a lot of white women aren't right-wingers, let alone Trump supporters, but this does open an interesting conversation about the impact that white women have when it comes to these things. From the KKK to prominent right-wing pundits, like Lauran Southern, white women have a history of supporting white supremacy, and upholding the regressive systems and beliefs that plague our society.

I haven't gotten the chance to finish the whole video yet, but so far it does a pretty good job at breaking this all down (much better than I'll ever be able to do). Warning, it's pretty long.


Despite the image of the right that is commonly presented to us, one filled with dissatisfied and misogynistic men, looking to take away the rights of women in an attempt to gain back the image of "masculinity" and power that belongs to them, this isn't an accurate picture. For example, white women have historically, and to this day, played a major role in the normalization of white supremacist and patriarchal beliefs. They were and still are the aids in helping to spread these beliefs, playing a crucial role in the background. This can especially be seen when looking at the role they played in the KKK. These women would do things, from organizing picnics to socials. We also see this when looking at a lot of tradwife content, with most of that content being produced by white women.
 
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They're all corrupt, incompetent and narcissistic. Sad that these 2 are the best that the USA has to choose from.

I hate Trump but IMHO (I wouldn't be on this site if I were only saying this to be pro-life) none of these are likely to happen. Also disclaimer that I'm British, but I'm a little bit autistically obsessed with US political & government stuff.

Weed is already criminalised federally; if the federal government tried to prosecute for it even in states where it's legal, they'd piss off both the stoners and the states' rights crowd. Criminalising alcohol would be an even bigger vote loser.

It's plausible that gay marriage becomes something where only some states can recognise it; Obergefell is the only thing standing in the way of that, and the current Supreme Court's composition might be keen to overturn that. But it's unclear to me whether Trump would even choose to go after gay people to do more than that. Recall that Trump was the first US president to voice support for gay marriage before inauguration day. He surrounds himself with lots of Christian types because he's in right-wing American politics and they're everywhere, but he'd only actually go after gays if it benefitted him in some way. And I really don't think it would - it'd galvanise the very fringe of his base who were going to support him anyway & repulse everyone else.

There are definite links between Trump and the Heritage Foundation, but most of the Project 2025 stuff I don't think is likely to actually happen - Trump cares only for himself and his popularity, and he wouldn't want to split his own base with insane policies. My concern here is that the politicisation of the Executive Branch might enable him to weaponise it to help in his scheming like he did post-2020 (stuff like getting an Attorney General who'll support his bullshit claims). But this is different to your fear.

Also, probably most importantly: a lot of this stuff is unconstitutional. Sure, abortion used to be considered a constitutional right, but it was on fairly shaky legal ground regardless. Roe identified the right under the "penumbra" of multiple separate rights, under a theory that the conjunction of these rights confers a right to an abortion. Even legal scholars are torn on this - while IMO the ruling had positive impacts - the actual legal grounds undergirding it weren't hugely compelling in the first place.

But when it comes to stuff like theocratic government, this is a very clear-cut constitutional violation: the Establishments clause explicitly prevents this. I don't think even the current Supreme Court, with the wacky decisions it's made so far, would uphold an explicit policy decision made on religious grounds. We have to look at a case-by-case basis of which Project 2025 wishes could survive legal challenges.

As to why Trump even hangs out with the Heritage Foundation guys at all: I think they probably just give him lots of shit. Like they help galvanise his Christian base a lot, and probably give him lots of money (& free trips on a private plane!). And some parts of Project 2025, like the aforementioned politicisation of the civil service, are things Trump wanted to do anyway. But at core, Trump cares solely for himself. And going after the gays will not help himself at all, even if he somehow succeeds at getting it through the courts.

tl;dr (sorry I'm stoned and wrote more than I should've): Trump has 0 thoughts about anything other than himself, and doing a lot of the stuff you described would NOT help him at all. Also good chance some of this stuff wouldn't survive in the courts.

Even if project 2025 passes I literally never heard about them banning alcohol. Why would they do that after probation happened wouldn't they learn there lesson? Also didn't hear about them making it illegal to be trans or gay, all I know is they will make descrimination against lgbt legal which is still bad obviously but you're not getting arrested for being gay.
Faith in Kamala must be had. Keep faith in Kamala.

Big crossroads ahead. We don't want any mix-ups.

WHO HAS THE MAP?
I want Kamela to win just because Trump will throw a meltdown again and it will be really funny.
But still if Kamela wins Trump can still get a second term, he doesn't seem like the type of guy to give up.
 
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This isn't entirely accurate. There are quite a few women who are Trump supporters. This is because white cis-women, especially those from a middle-class evangelical background, have a history of advocating for and furthering fascist movements. In 2016, 52% of white women voted for Trump. In 2020, 55% of white women voted for Trump.

I can't argue with what you stated, sad but true. But when scotus struck the right to an abortion from the constitution, it did light a fire and women (and men) voters responded at the state levels. So much for the red wave in the midterm elections. Those battles continue especially against the draconian legislation red states enacted following the very radical, and corrupt scotus courts Dobbs decision. I think women voters understand the threat to their rights at this moment, including some of those who voted for Vonshitzinpants. But yeah, it can't be just them, people have to go out and vote.
 
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