I think the main reason why its illegal to commit suicide is because capitalist's loose people to exploit

[Pcgamer1]

In the USA if your doctor or therapist thinks your at risk of killing yourself they will call the cops on you or 51/50 you. Most mental health hospitals just make things worse and leave you with a huge healthcare bill. Its for the most part illegal to commit suicide in America and I think the main reason why is because billionaires don't want to lose people to exploit or consume their products. I can't tell my therapist for instance if I run out of money my solution is to just shoot myself, then I will get 51/50ed. The reason why it is this way is because the billionaires don't want to lose people to exploit and in society they say you should never kill yourself no matter how bad life gets. I know exactly what will happen, there will be no jobs left at all from the big ugly bill destroying social services, to AI/outsourcing and consumers no longer being able to afford to buy stuff or people not being able to afford to start a new business. If I shoot myself then it will hurt my family and friends, but its better than ending up homeless or losing everything.

Modern labor unions aren't capable of fighting for a better future, 100 years ago they were way more radical and would work together to fight for better worker rights. Nowadays labor unions mostly just provide legal counseling, try and avoid strikes and sometimes fight for anti worker stuff like AI data centers if they think it will benefit their members regardless of how harmful AI data centers are. Back during the Vietnam War the AFL-CIO supported the war because they thought it benefited their members and didn't care about how horrible the war was for everyone else. Many labor unions have forgotten who they're fighting for, that isn't to say all labor unions are like this, they are plenty of good ones out there. However they are way too many labor unions putting profits over the larger fight for all workers.

 

[DeadManLiving]

Excuse typos will fix later and tldr for now just splattering my thoughts on this :

Back in ancient times yes, suicide was criminalized because it resulted in a substantial loss of human capital in both labor and intellectual/creative capital. Very similar to how African American slaves were traded back in the day and restrained from killing themselves. Given a certain age (and set of features or deficiencies) slaves were reduced to commodity products that were offered, bought, sold, traded and transacted like baseball cards or livestock.

Accounting records reflected their valuations calculated using actuarial models to estimate and price in lifetime risk, intrinsic and potential future utility by value of production and whatever other use and entertainment like human zoos adjusted to arrive at fair market value, price and forced into the brutal slave trade commerce.

Population scarcity dominated. Human beings were strategic assets because agricultural productivity, military manpower, and skilled labor pools were constrained by high mortality and low technological leverage. Suicide represented depletion of scarce biological capital.

Suicide prohibitions fused theological doctrine with feudal continuity. The Church framed life as divinely held property, while states required stable peasant populations for agricultural surplus extraction and military levies.

Industrialization increased the marginal utility of literate labor populations. Mass education, urbanization, and wage labor transformed populations into increasingly measurable economic inputs. Early actuarial science, life insurance, labor statistics, and productivity accounting emerged in parallel.

Automation and computational leverage altered the labor-to-output ratio. Economic systems became less dependent on raw labor quantity and more dependent on specialized cognitive capital, technological infrastructure, consumption stability, and demographic maintenance.

Subtly but to similar effect after abolition, the same evolved in the Middle ages and 20th Century to peasants and common folk where people were scarce, birth rates and life expectancy work dangerously low, and mortality high ... so even as a free person, if enough people took their lives, industrial output would stagnate and power a true existential threat to continuity of commerce, community and civilization and for those reasons suicide was criminalized under the auspices of religion and the Church.

Modern societies already possess implicit actuarial valuations of citizens through healthcare economics, insurance systems, productivity forecasting, pension obligations, and sovereign demographic planning. Suicide prevention therefore functions not only as a moral imperative but also as mitigation against systemic economic losses, social instability, and contagion effects.

Nowadays, States and economic systems internalize substantial losses when working-age individuals prematurely exit the population because educational investment, labor productivity, tax contributions, and intergenerational reproduction are all truncated before amortization across the expected life-cycle horizon.

But history rhymes and repeats in often radically surprising and unexpected ways, especially how A(G)I would deal with civilization, and whether human beings are officially depreciated as an endangered species on the brink of extinction. In another case, a form of technofeudalism transmuted with digital shackles as slaves to a new master but along the same course of history in repayment of humanity's debts outstanding made by blood, suffering and savagery perpetuated since the invention of evil and greed for commerce, consumption and in some cases captive amusement.

 

[byec560]

So you think if we lived in a communist utopia we would be totally kosher with people just killing themselves? Be so fr with me.

 

[lpdsvm]

This is why I want to CTB. I can't fix my issues without money. If I don't CTB soon I will have serious issues.

 

[DeadManLiving]

This is why I want to CTB. I can't fix my issues without money. If I don't CTB soon I will have serious issues.

Yeah. Without resources it's over. Totally preventable but conventional medicine and behavioral health are just profiteering asylums where they put you in a room and milk Medicaid money while pretending to provide treatment. Advanced treatments exist that are outside of the public vernocular. But that's a whole another subject. Tragic overall.

So you think if we lived in a communist utopia we would be totally kosher with people just killing themselves? Be so fr with me.

I don't subscribe to any specific economic doctrine, regime or form of governance/social order, I just study them. Currently in the calm before a ravaging economic storm as public market and exchange price discovery and valuations are like floating Castles in the Sky divorced from the actual reality under the hood OTC and dark pool transactions enabling the corruption that is engulfing incentive structures that make it pointless to continue.

But to address your point on the religious note, no it would not be Kosher for people to kill themselves. I just don't understand why critical resources are withheld or diverted from those that need them the most, as their options and ability to make material contributions depreciates needlessly with dwindling options, ultimately leaving them with none but one. A tragic one.

 

[ak@]

I'd say it's more because it's going against the unwritten social contract. Humans are social beings and it undermines their level of general trust when someone decides to step out of the relation.

 

[xXSufferingXx]

i only read the title, sorry, but i a million agree with the title, that the onyl reason suicide is illegal because it's bad for the government when they lose money,
that's all they care about.
i recently found out that at 65 in certain states they CUT YOUR HEALTH BENEFITS IN HALF.
why?
because they start seeing people like a burden who's over 65 because they know they can't work anymore.
quite an eye opener.

... not that i didn't already know, but... wow