RosebyAnyName

RosebyAnyName

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Context: my parents were both Catholic but had since stopped practicing Christianity and I was raised atheist.

I recently started feeling drawn to Christianity but I'm squarely on the fence regarding whether or not I should actually pursue it.

My current beliefs are rooted in atheism, + the exploration of non-abrahamic religions such as buddhism and modern paganism. At the risk of grossly oversimplifying things, these systems generally propose that the meaning of life is nothing, with some including the caveat that life can also be what you make of it. This sounds promising on paper, but honestly just feels spiritually void and in practice is meaningless (and that's the point). Sure I can do whatever I want, but I feel nothing. I feel drawn to a more organized life.

Then comes Christianity. On the one hand, the idea that there actually is a god, and that this god loves me and wants the best for me and even made great sacrifices for me, is great. Reading the New Testament makes me feel uplifted (usually). However, the political entanglement, abuse, and hypocrisy of the church is literally the least appealing thing possible. And it's not something you can really avoid either, controversial political stances are rife throughout the bible and core teachings of Christianity, and sometimes it feels like Christianity is literally thousands of years behind the times.

It feels like I can't have my cake (having an organized life) and eat it too (being free from the arbitrary rules that are inevitable with organized religions). Not eating the cake makes me feel starved for something I'm missing, but actually eating the cake makes me realize it doesn't even taste good but at least I am not starved. If atheism is unsatisfying, would Christianity change anything about that? I don't really feel drawn to any alternatives.
 
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I saw a Near Death Experience where a very devout US Christian woman, who really didn't know anything about other cultures, religions, faiths, etc died, and asked some loving wise being during her NDE "What's the true religion?" She was expecting to get the answer "Christianity".

The loving being smiled and telepathically communicated that her question doesn't even begin to have anything to do with reality. She described that she telepathically felt that it was like as if a small child is asking "what cheese the moon is made of" and the adults are just lovingly smile at her. This is what she telepathically experienced when she asked "what is the true religion"

Nonetheless, I think religion can be great for Community, human...
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Then comes Christianity. On the one hand, the idea that there actually is a god, and that this god loves me and wants the best for me and even made great sacrifices for me, is great. Reading the New Testament makes me feel uplifted (usually). However, the political entanglement, abuse, and hypocrisy of the church is literally the least appealing thing possible. And it's not something you can really avoid either, controversial political stances are rife throughout the bible and core teachings of Christianity, and sometimes it feels like Christianity is literally thousands of years behind the times.
God doesn't exist. It's a story people created for when they're feeling hopeless, lonely, or psychotic. Many aspects of religions like heaven rely on people's fear of harm or death (see Terror Management Theory), or unhapiness with life in general. It's a coping mechanism (which can have positive outcomes for our wellbeing, but you need to understand the psychology behind it to not fall victim of manipulation).

One main characteristic that makes us different from other primates is our ability to abstract. So people can create stories as a motivator for doing something they would not otherwise do. For example, wars were claimed to be God's wish because people would die/fight for that idea/story, not for someone's else interest who is perpetuating the story (a manipulator who understands human psychology/behavior). You can find this pattern throughout history, economy (money does not exist, it is an idea/story people created which everyone agrees on for it to work), marketing, so on. In contrast, try telling chimpanzees to go fight in a war for a God-like figure (spoiler: they won't).
 
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Does anyone believe in all honesty if they could time travel to Jesus's time period that they would find him performing miracles, resurrecting Lazarus and even resurrecting himself from the dead?
 
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There are plenty of organized religions beside Christianity. And I don't know what flavor of paganism you've messed around with, but African-based paganism certainly doesn't suppose that life is nothing.

I think that there are useful things to take from Christianity: reciprocity, charity, and focusing on the love of those who are near to you being some of the best. Unfortunately, almost all,of really existing Christianity doesn't focus on those thimgs.
 
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Context: my parents were both Catholic but had since stopped practicing Christianity and I was raised atheist.

I recently started feeling drawn to Christianity but I'm squarely on the fence regarding whether or not I should actually pursue it.

My current beliefs are rooted in atheism, + the exploration of non-abrahamic religions such as buddhism and modern paganism. At the risk of grossly oversimplifying things, these systems generally propose that the meaning of life is nothing, with some including the caveat that life can also be what you make of it. This sounds promising on paper, but honestly just feels spiritually void and in practice is meaningless (and that's the point). Sure I can do whatever I want, but I feel nothing. I feel drawn to a more organized life.

Then comes Christianity. On the one hand, the idea that there actually is a god, and that this god loves me and wants the best for me and even made great
not something id typically do, but you are asking
just a personal opinion, try paganism. you can pm me if you want to hear about my experience and what im doing
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i agree . i think pagan religion has the most truth of all religions.
sacrifices for me, is great. Reading the New Testament makes me feel uplifted (usually). However, the political entanglement, abuse, and hypocrisy of the church is literally the least appealing thing possible. And it's not something you can really avoid either, controversial political stances are rife throughout the bible and core teachings of Christianity, and sometimes it feels like Christianity is literally thousands of years behind the times.

It feels like I can't have my cake (having an organized life) and eat it too (being free from the arbitrary rules that are inevitable with organized religions). Not eating the cake makes me feel starved for something I'm missing, but actually eating the cake makes me realize it doesn't even taste good but at least I am not starved. If atheism is unsatisfying, would Christianity change anything about that? I don't really feel drawn to any alternatives.
 
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