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Everywhere I look, I keep seeing it. Someone I used to respect because of her dedication to exposing a particular hoax just made a video where she used Dylan Mulvaney as a springboard to shitting on trans people. People are pushing for a 21st century take on the Mulford Act that targets trans people.

The UK is, well, it's the UK. The Tories are ruining everything as usual.

I'm fucking sick of all of it. There's so much hate toward people who just wanna do their own thing, people like me. I've even had to deal with being sexually harassed by a transphobe on this site (he left the site because he got in trouble for it though). If you take any of the shit that people are pushing about trans people and substituted in any other minority, then you'd be (rightfully) called a Nazi or a racist, but it's apparently socially acceptable to treat trans people as subhumans.

I just want the entire world to shut the fuck up. (maybe Yagami Light was right)
 
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Trans is currently in the spotlight sure, but in a decade it'll be something else. Keep your head down & just live your life. Or ctb, whatever you decide. Life moves on...
 
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Trans is currently in the spotlight sure, but in a decade it'll be something else. Keep your head down & just live your life. Or ctb, whatever you decide. Life moves on...
Unfortunately, I don't think I can wait a decade. I feel afraid of strangers for multiple reasons, but the likelihood that they may hold strong beliefs about whether or not I should be allowed to exist is one of the biggest reasons.
 
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Belief maybe, but it's not like they're actually going to do anything to you personally. Most people are all (loud) talk & no bite. Humans are generally cowards when push comes to shove. Just gotta learn to tune them out. Best way to beat them is to not let them get to you. Honestly they're not worth the time or stress. Fuck em & forget em! Hugs!
 
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Funny how people seem to constantly talk about woke culture and people bending over backwards for trans people but I have yet to really see this. I have only witnessed transphobia in person (not that I have been targeted, I have not transitioned and am in the closet, just people expressing such beliefs in my presence) and have yet to witness someone defend trans people in any way. In school, a teacher went onto Bitchute (a Youtube alternative which, while not holding these beliefs themselves, has become notorious for hosting fascist propaganda on its site) to show us Matt Walsh's documentary about what a woman was. I had to listen to this shit for 45 minutes while some bitch in the class talked on and on about how much trans people sucked. The closest thing I saw to a defence was that at one point a classmate drew some character on the whiteboard and labelled them as non-binary as a joke, which the aforementioned bitch noticed and started complaining about. I distinctly recall she complained about snowflakes getting offended all the time, funny that. It sorta feels like this may just seem like I'm using this thread as an excuse to rant about petty personal drama, but there's a pointā€¦
It's funny. In my real life I have witnessed first hand racism, homophobia and transphobia. Transphobia is the only one that has went unchallenged. People were willing to speak out against racism, people were willing to stand up for gay people but not the trans people. Trans acceptance doesn't exist outside of certain social media circles and corporations pandering to the demographic. In real life, trans people are met with scorn.
(Granted, the ratio of homophobes to allies I've seen is probably 50/50 (at least in terms of people who have expressed their beliefs openly, but better than 100/0))
The UK is, well, it's the UK. The Tories are ruining everything as usual.
Same as usual, then. Nothing more needs to be said. The tories aren't the only problem, it's the people. British nature is just letting big daddy government solve everything for them. I was watching when the protests in France first started and I thought "Man, if the French government tried even a kernel of the shit ours did, the people would have burned the country down."
 
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Vry sry wrld trnsphb, this wrld ugly full war dises crime pover etc etc full suffer bit nobod care ,awful wrld only trnsphb no see wrld full prblm no see othr suffr rly scum species. Vry sry sffr all this hug
 
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Vry sry wrld trnsphb, this wrld ugly full war dises crime pover etc etc full suffer bit nobod care ,awful wrld only trnsphb no see wrld full prblm no see othr suffr rly scum species. Vry sry sffr all this hug
It really is scary, the kinds of things that this world is capable of. There's too much pain, hatred, and cruelty, often inflicted on people who don't deserve it.
 
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I'm not for or against since I pretty much only care about issues that relate to me, but I have a question. Why did I never hear the word "transgender" in the 2000s or before?
 
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It's funny. In my real life I have witnessed first hand racism, homophobia and transphobia. Transphobia is the only one that has went unchallenged. People were willing to speak out against racism, people were willing to stand up for gay people but not the trans people. Trans acceptance doesn't exist outside of certain social media circles and corporations pandering to the demographic. In real life, trans people are met with scorn.
That's the shitty thing. Transphobia is so normalized and socially acceptable that the number of people willing to stand up for us is really small
I'm not for or against since I pretty much only care about issues that relate to me, but I have a question. Why did I never hear the word "transgender" in the 2000s or before?
Trans people are incredibly rare (about a quarter of a percent of the human population), so rare that most people have never met a trans person. The advent of the internet being popularized allows people from all walks of life to share their stories and to be seen.

Chaz Bono went public with his transition in 2009.

One of the first people to receive sex reassignment surgery was the Danish painter, Lili Elbe in 1930.

The French diplomat and spy, d'Eon de Beaumont (1728-1810) is believed by the Beaumont Society to have been a trans woman, especially since she continued living as a woman even after retirement.
 
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I'm not for or against since I pretty much only care about issues that relate to me, but I have a question. Why did I never hear the word "transgender" in the 2000s or before?

I don't want to offend anyone so I will break my points up to make it harder to strawman my whole post. I don't suppose anyone will actually engage with my points, I will just be called names:

1. It [any aggressive gender-nonconforming identity that persisted after the "tomboy"-youth] used to be called transsexual or transvestite before, although they are slightly different things, but it wasn't as "popular" as it is now.

2. Nobody raised their children as a theybie before the 2000s. Very few people transitioned their child before 2000.

3. I don't have any stats on how many gender-affirming amputations of children's breasts were done before 2000, but I am sure it is higher now.

4. Now it isn't about gender-dysphoria and it isn't about needing to transition in any way so the "barrier to entry" is lower. There are young autistic girls who hate the idea that they might be sexualized by society, but they don't have gender-dysphoria, so they take the middleground and identify as nonbinary, for instance. It seems more political than gender-based.

5. But for those who legitimately have gender-dysphoria, it must be terrible. They should be allowed to pay for anything they need to make themselves feel less dysphoric. Be it hormones or bottom-surgery. And they should not be harassed in the streets or anything. I don't know why this issue is painted as "either you're pro-trans or pro-transgenocide!". It is possible to take some middleground. If I state any middlegrounded positions, I would be called transphobic so I won't.

6. I empathize (or sympathize?) with all trans folk here and wish them peace. They didn't ask to be born into a world where sex has such meaning and influence over life. They didn't ask to be trans.
 
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Belief maybe, but it's not like they're actually going to do anything to you personally. Most people are all (loud) talk & no bite. Humans are generally cowards when push comes to shove. Just gotta learn to tune them out. Best way to beat them is to not let them get to you. Honestly they're not worth the time or stress. Fuck em & forget em! Hugs!
Not all of them. Unfortunately I've known a few who quite brash to violence.
 
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The present difficulties for trans pople are not global and are only a temporary phenomenon. Gender variance of one kind or another (as well as much variability in sexual orientation) is deeply embedded in human biology. It can't be suppressed permanently. Of course, the bigots can make life difficult for trans people for a while, just as they made life difficult for gay people for decades, but ultimately this is a fight that they can not win, and were foolish - as well as very evil - to start. In the meantime, if you are dealing with harrassment, do your best to ignore it and just be yourself. Anyone who bothers to harrass you must have major problems of their own, because most ordinary people have far better things to do with their time and energy than attack trans people. Most ordinary people simply don't care, and are happy with a "live and let live" attitude. It always helps to have support from people who are in a similar situation to yourself, so if there are any groups for trans people in your region, have you considered joining?
 
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it's genuinely quite scary. the tiny dying optimist in me wants to think this is just a rerun of the homophobia of the late 20th century (it sure uses the same attack lines) and will thus have the same outcome, but we didn't have social media and mass content creation then and it genuinely feels like views move at a much slower pace now and are very capable to go backwards (it has certainly got worse in the UK over the last few years).
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...[transphobia]? do you not realise how mad that sounds?
 
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I don't want to offend anyone so I will break my points up to make it harder to strawman my whole post. I don't suppose anyone will actually engage with my points, I will just be called names:

1. It used to be called transsexual or transvestite before, although they are slightly different things, but it wasn't as "popular" as it is now.

2. Nobody raised their children as a theybie before the 2000s. Very few people transitioned their child before 2000.

3. I don't have any stats on how many gender-affirming amputations of children's breasts were done before 2000, but I am sure it is higher now.

4. Now it isn't about gender-dysphoria and it isn't about needing to transition in any way so the "barrier to entry" is lower. There are young autistic girls who hate the idea that they might be sexualized by society, but they don't have gender-dysphoria, so they take the middleground and identify as nonbinary, for instance. It seems more political than gender-based.

5. But for those who legitimately have gender-dysphoria, it must be terrible. They should be allowed to pay for anything they need to make themselves feel less dysphoric. Be it hormones or bottom-surgery. And they should not be harassed in the streets or anything. I don't know why this issue is painted as "either you're pro-trans or pro-transgenocide!". It is possible to take some middleground. If I state any middlegrounded positions, I would be called transphobic so I won't.

6. I empathize (or sympathize?) with all trans folk here and wish them peace. They didn't ask to be born into a world where sex has such meaning and influence over life. They didn't ask to be trans.
You are very poorly informed about human nature. Gender variance has been around as long as people have been around. All that has changed in recent decades are some of the ways gender-variant people express themselves. Archaeologists have discovered many graves, some from thousands of years ago, in which a body with male anatomy (you can usually tell from a skeleton) was buried with female grave goods - obviously a transgender person of some kind. There were transgender (male to female) priests in several cultures in antiquity. They couldn't have manipulated their hormones as easily as is possible today, but they did make major sugical changes to their bodies. Before western culture, mainly christianity, destroyed most of it, gender variant people were common in most Native American groups - and were highly respected, and often shamans. The Hijra in India are a gender-variant group that has been around for centuries. I could go on, but this isn't the place to write a history book. You need to do some reading.
 
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That's the shitty thing. Transphobia is so normalized and socially acceptable that the number of people willing to stand up for us is really small

Trans people are incredibly rare (about a quarter of a percent of the human population), so rare that most people have never met a trans person. The advent of the internet being popularized allows people from all walks of life to share their stories and to be seen.

Chaz Bono went public with his transition in 2009.

One of the first people to receive sex reassignment surgery was the Danish painter, Lili Elbe in 1930.

The French diplomat and spy, d'Eon de Beaumont (1728-1810) is believed by the Beaumont Society to have been a trans woman, especially since she continued living as a woman even after retirement.
Given how rare and seemingly new it is in the public forum, it shouldn't be surprising then that there are those who oppose it. The minority is always persecuted. Look at all the other things people oppose and some of those things (religions) are majorities in their own right. No one should expect tolerance in this world. People are advanced chimps. Look at a chimp documentary. They're irrational and antagonistic.
 
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it's genuinely quite scary. the tiny dying optimist in me wants to think this is just a rerun of the homophobia of the late 20th century (it sure uses the same attack lines) and will thus have the same outcome, but we didn't have social media and mass content creation then and it genuinely feels like views move at a much slower pace now and are very capable to go backwards (it has certainly got worse in the UK over the last few years).

...[transphobia]? do you not realise how mad that sounds?

Why would you make that leap? It's obvious that he meant "transgender ideology", "transgenderism" (i know! you hate that term!), "transgender communities", the TQ, etc. He didn't mean that he is neutral on whether people should be persecuted. This leap to take the most victimized position just makes it so people feel that can't say how they really feel. When people can't say how they feel, you can't argue and educate them on anything. That means they keep their beliefs. You see this in certain videos where people are afraid to answer certain questions. You don't win by making people afraid to say what they are thinking. You win with discourse, back and forth.
You are very poorly informed about human nature. Gender variance has been around as long as people have been around. All that has changed in recent decades are some of the ways gender-variant peope express themselves. Archaeologists have discovered many graves, some from thousands of years ago, in which a body with male anatomy (you can usually tell from a skeleton) was buried with female grave goods - obviously a transgender person of some kind. There were transgender (male to femae) priests in several cultures in antiquity. They couldn't have manipulated their hormones as easily as is possible today, but they did make major sugical changes to their bodies. Before western culture, mainly christianity, destroyed most of it, gender variant people were common in most Native American groups - and were highly respected, and often shamans. The Hijra in India are a gender-variant group that has been around for centuries. I could go on, but this isn't the place to write a history book. You need to do some reading.

It is fair to say it is more common now. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Maybe more people feel comfortable with coming out? Being balanced and middlegrounded - which will get me labeled toxic - it could be a mixture of both: more people comfortable coming out and more GNC people being influenced to be some kind of trans. I have heard of groups of female friends all identfying as trans and when one detransitions, she is ousted.

I think there is a lot of revisionism going on. It is possible that GNC people in the past didn't identify as trans in the same way someone would today. Or it is possible they did!

Anyway, to all the trans in this thread, good luck to you. I wish you no harm and hope - like I wish to all here - you find peace. The only thing I would say is: There are people who are in the middleground about transgender ideology. If you call them transphobic for being only 80% pro-trans, then you risk them going from partial allies to opposition. Of course, maybe you don't care and you are of the position: "either you're 100% with us or we don't need you, fuck off!", which is your right.

The trans community is diverse and I refuse to lump you all together. Some don't mind us people in the middle.

I watch Vaush ffs. I am not the transphobe people think I am.
 
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I remember reading a post where in the US people were presented a form to out transgender people in a "gender transition intervention".

Someone said that's stage 8 genocide. This world is a rotten peace of shit. I'm genuinely considering moving to the US if there's a civil war or stage 10 genocide.

I don't value my life anyway, I think it'd be good to sacrifice it for someone who does. These sadistic fuckers want to kill off people for "yeah I don't really understand or like them". I saw a post on reddit where being gender non-conforming near children was consider pedophilia or grooming honestly I don't really remember the term used. That's basically outlawing being transgender which is genetic I believe or partly genetic, so they're outlawing a gene huh?

History repeats itself, mustache man is evil but when it's against trans people it's somehow okay? You can't say you like Kanye West for his music without having someone flame you but when you try and call out someone literally replicating the most evil man in history, it's just an opinion and you're in the wrong?

Was going to write a rant about fighting if it gets to stage 10 although I'll prob make a post either today or tomorrow.
 
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Trans is currently in the spotlight sure, but in a decade it'll be something else. Keep your head down & just live your life. Or ctb, whatever you decide. Life moves on...

1 issu = tht th/ currnt moral panc abt Transgndr ppl = b-ing usd 2 chnge laws whch restrct transgnder rghts

& also in th/ ag of internt thre r ppl confrntng transgendr ppl jst 2 upload vdeos onlne fr 'kudos pnts' whch jst exacrb8tes evrythng mre

& agn bcse of internt th/ mst xtreme ppl on eithr sde r gettng th/ mst publicty whch dvides th/ whle convrsatn evn mre
 
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Contrapoints uploaded a video about this today. If you have the energy, it's a good watch. But yes, it is incredibly exhausting and upsetting.
 
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I remember reading a post where in the US people were presented a form to out transgender people in a "gender transition intervention".

Someone said that's stage 8 genocide. This world is a rotten peace of shit. I'm genuinely considering moving to the US if there's a civil war or stage 10 genocide.

I don't value my life anyway, I think it'd be good to sacrifice it for someone who does. These sadistic fuckers want to kill off people for "yeah I don't really understand or like them". I saw a post on reddit where being gender non-conforming near children was consider pedophilia or grooming honestly I don't really remember the term used. That's basically outlawing being transgender which is genetic I believe or partly genetic, so they're outlawing a gene huh?

History repeats itself, mustache man is evil but when it's against trans people it's somehow okay? You can't say you like Kanye West for his music without having someone flame you but when you try and call out someone literally replicating the most evil man in history, it's just an opinion and you're in the wrong?

Was going to write a rant about fighting if it gets to stage 10 although I'll prob make a post either today or tomorrow.
If you have the personality for it, then organizing (with others) and fighting (in a non-violent way) is much better than running away. I know that not everyone has the personality to be a fighter, and for some people their circumstances make it too dangerous, but if you are in a position to do it you may find it very liberating. After all, the worst they can do is kill you, and if you are on this site you probably don't care very much about that, whic gives you a huge advantage. (I'm now too old to get involved much in fights for social justice, but I did a lot when I was younger, though none of it concerned trans people. You can achieve a lot, if you go about it the right way. But don't try to do it alone. Unless you are an eceptionally string person, you need support from other people in your kind of situation.) Trans people would do well to learn from the gay rights movement of 50 or more years ago.
I'm not for or against since I pretty much only care about issues that relate to me, but I have a question. Why did I never hear the word "transgender" in the 2000s or before?
You didn't hear the word because it is a fairly recent invention, but there is nothing new about gender variance in people. It has always existed, and there have been many words, in many languages for it, or for particular manifestations of it. When I was young, the words "transsexual" or even "transvestite: were sometimes used in English, whereas today they seem to have fallen out of fashion and "transgender" would probably be used instead.
 
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If you have the personality for it, then organizing (with others) and fighting (in a non-violent way) is much better than running away. I know that not everyone has the personality to be a fighter, and for some people their circumstances make it too dangerous, but if you are in a position to do it you may find it very liberating. After all, the worst they can do is kill you, and if you are on this site you probably don't care very much about that, whic gives you a huge advantage. (I'm now too old to get involved much in fights for social justice, but I did a lot when I was younger, though none of it concerned trans people. You can achieve a lot, if you go about it the right way. But don't try to do it alone. Unless you are an eceptionally string person, you need support from other people in your kind of situation.) Trans people would do well to learn from the gay rights movement of 50 or more years ago.

You didn't hear the word because it is a fairly recent invention, but there is nothing new about gender variance in people. It has always existed, and there have been many words, in many languages for it, or for particular manifestations of it. When I was young, the words "transsexual" or even "transvestite: were sometimes used in English, whereas today they seem to have fallen out of fashion and "transgender" would probably be used instead.

Alwys thght 'transvestte' ws sme1 wh/ ws identfied cis bt dressd in opposte gendr clothng smetmes
 
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1 issu = tht th/ currnt moral panc abt Transgndr ppl = b-ing usd 2 chnge laws whch restrct transgnder rghts

& also in th/ ag of internt thre r ppl confrntng transgendr ppl jst 2 upload vdeos onlne fr 'kudos pnts' whch jst exacrb8tes evrythng mre

& agn bcse of internt th/ mst xtreme ppl on eithr sde r gettng th/ mst publicty whch dvides th/ whle convrsatn evn mre

The internet really does tend to bring out the worst in people. Best thing is to shut off social media and be very wary about listening to the talking heads mouthpieces on both sides that spread fear and hate. The media wants you to be angry and fearful.

First time I experienced a male transitioning to female was early 2000s in my workplace. It was quite shocking back then especially in the very conservative company that I was working for. But that was over 20 years ago and I think most people (excluding the extreme people) are not shocked or that bothered anymore. The same company that my former colleague was working in nowadays has LGBT events and promotes diversity so things have come a long way.

Also I think there are way more trans people out there than the 0.0025% that OP mentions.

Trans people have existed for centuries, it's certainly not just a recent thing. In Italy you have the castrato voice from the 16th century, and in the Byzantine Empire castrati existed from around the 5th century.

Also there's quite a bit of info out there in alternative media these days about elite/royal families that raise their children as the opposite gender. Many of whom go on to be public figures or famous in some way. We can't know the exact numbers but I'm sure there are many trans celebrities who are not openly trans.
 
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The internet really does tend to bring out the worst in people. Best thing is to shut off social media and be very wary about listening to the talking heads mouthpieces on both sides that spread fear and hate. The media wants you to be angry and fearful.

First time I experienced a male transitioning to female was early 2000s in my workplace. It was quite shocking back then especially in the very conservative company that I was working for. But that was over 20 years ago and I think most people (excluding the extreme people) are not shocked or that bothered anymore. The same company that my former colleague was working in nowadays has LGBT events and promotes diversity so things have come a long way.

Also I think there are way more trans people out there than the 0.0025% that OP mentions.

Trans people have existed for centuries, it's certainly not just a recent thing. In Italy you have the castrato voice from the 16th century, and in the Byzantine Empire castrati existed from around the 5th century.

Also there's quite a bit of info out there in alternative media these days about elite/royal families that raise their children as the opposite gender. Many of whom go on to be public figures or famous in some way. We can't know the exact numbers but I'm sure there are many trans celebrities who are not openly trans.
I think that the rate might actually be close to 1%? Trans people also tend to not be very "visible" (as in, exhibiting distinct physical features that would be considered unusual for their cis counterparts) after a few years of HRT and/or surgeries, and a lot prefer to use a don't ask don't tell policy when meeting new people. Their situation might also get covered up for some reasons, I doubt that my transphobic parents' family in China knows about my little change of plans. And it's been over two years since I made the mistake to trust them with that information lol
 
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Alwys thght 'transvestte' ws sme1 wh/ ws identfied cis bt dressd in opposte gendr clothng smetmes
Yes, that's one way the word was used. But I get the impression that all these categories tend to blur into each other to a considerable degree. There don't seem to be sharp boundaries.
 
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Is the suicide rate higher after transition surgery?
 
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Is the suicide rate higher after transition surgery?
I just looked into this and, according to people at Harvard Medical School, "gender-affirming surgery is associated with improved mental health outcomes among transgender people", so almost certainly the suicide rate is lower after that kind of surgery.
 
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Contrapoints uploaded a video about this today. If you have the energy, it's a good watch. But yes, it is incredibly exhausting and upsetting.

Thanks! As much as I am more centre-right, I do love watching left-leaning stuff too. Especially Contrapoints, Vaush (I like him but I would deport him to the moon if I could), Destiny, and conversely, The Daily Wire, etc.
I just looked into this and, according to people at Harvard Medical School, "gender-affirming surgery is associated with improved mental health outcomes among transgender people", so almost certainly the suicide rate is lower after that kind of surgery.

It is lower but transition isn't a magic-bullet.

Some trans-people still have family and friends who might oppose their surgery. Some might not pass fully even after surgery. And let's not forget some complications with bottom-surgery...
 
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It is lower but transition isn't a magic-bullet.

Some trans-people still have family and friends who might oppose their surgery. Some might not pass fully even after surgery. And let's not forget some complications with bottom-surgery...
I have absolutely no interest in debating with a "centre-right," especially after reading some of your previous comments... but I wanted to say there is no magic bullet for gender dysphoria. From what I have seen, the major complications arise from the transgender person's community/family not accepting them. As you say, not passing as the gender with which they identify is a problem for a lot of transgender people, but this is only because of the way they are treated by society as a result. I encourage you to watch Contrapoints video and keep these things in mind.

edited: misread your comment
 
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I have absolutely no interest in debating with a "centre-right," especially after reading some of your previous comments... but I wanted to say there is no magic bullet for gender dysphoria. From what I have seen, the major complications arise from the transgender person's community/family not accepting them. As you say, not passing as the gender with which they identify is a problem for a lot of transgender people, but this is only because of the way they are treated by society as a result. I encourage you to watch Contrapoints video and keep these things in mind.

I watched the first few min and will watch the rest when I get back from the gym. I like Contra's videos.
 
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The UK is, well, it's the UK. The Tories are ruining everything as usual.

If you take any of the shit that people are pushing about trans people and substituted in any other minority, then you'd be (rightfully) called a Nazi or a racist, but it's apparently socially acceptable to treat trans people as subhumans.
I'm not entirely sure if the hate towards trans people has redirected the hate previously aimed at other minorities... And I don't think the UK care about calling out Nazis period. They basically run the country and won the Brexit vote. Nazis are the majority in the UK.

-small boat crossings
-black London gangs
-muslim grooming gangs
-trans people existing

All of these are constantly used by the Tories, Brexit voters, and the nazi media. It's just anothet ingredient for their "war on the woke", when in reality, our bills are going up, taxes being stolen, human rights being burned, country getting fucked... They simply use these hot topics such as trans people to keep the sheeple distracted from being robbed.

Suzie from nowhere-upon-avon doesn't care about how people choose to live their lives, she wants the NHS to still be there for her kids, but the Tories need to sell the NHS, therefore, Tory funded media will churn out headline after headline about "this new enemy," or "that new enemy". It's just a case of look over there while I steal from your pocket
 
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