I am against encouraging suicide

[BipolarGuy]

No, it doesn't. Safe travels are wished to those who already made their decision, after they made their decision. It doesn't influence people in any way.

Good.

Then asking people what's going on in their life and asking them about their options doesn't either?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

There are definitely some "death cu*ts" on here.

There used to be a kind of SN cult on here but the leader was banned and everything mellowed out.

Saying there are death cults on here implies not just one but multiple factions encouraging death and discouraging life. If I came across that I'd be calling it out wherever it happens and reporting it to mods.

When I call it out, whether it's prolifers or predators, I do it where it's happening, and I talk about it elsewhere on the forum and provide proof to back up my claims. I do that because I have a personal value of being trustworthy, and because I don't like to stir up fear; rather, I like to give information to fellow members about what to be wary of -- what's happening, what it looks like, how to guard oneself from it.

 

[Lupgevif]

Good.

Then asking people what's going on in their life and asking them about their options doesn't either?

When someone makes a goodbye thread that's what you ask them?

 

[BipolarGuy]

When someone makes a goodbye thread that's what you ask them?

No, sorry you've misunderstood.

 

[Sinkinshyp]

I'm twice the avg age. Before I am anything in this world I'm a mom. A mom loves unconditionally, she nurtures, she gives guidance and encouragement and so much more. A mom is the one when a kid falls off their bike and gets scraped up they run home to mom crying. Mom cleans it, reassuring her child it's going to be ok, puts a bandaid on kisses it and child smiles admiring their bandaid. In a week they don't ask for bandaids anymore and they forgot that knee scrape. My heart hurts for all of you. Everyone has valid reasons to be in such awful pain. I have to shut the mom in me up more often than not. As I'm walking a thin line and if I go to much this way I'm too mom and this way is to encouraging... it's very awkward for me sometimes. I try my best to provide thoughtful caring advice.

Having tried to CTB as a teen- here I am 30 yrs later and able to say it got better. MUCH better than I ever could have tried to dream it could. I didn't want to CTB I wanted to wake up and be mom everyday, happily, loved my life. Until my son died. Than it all came back to me stronger than ever.

I've said it before will say it again- car races. A driver cant see the accident coming but the fans in the bleachers can. Sometimes others looking in when we are so deep into a depression, they can see ways to try that we haven't thought of. When someone is feeling so lost and alone having others offer viable advice can make a huge difference. I was born into hell, as a teen that hell made me want to CTB- but here I am 30 yrs later like the kid above with the scraped knee.. before my son died I had put all those horrible things to rest. It didn't bother me at all and I did not think of it. Time was a huge factor in putting it all to rest. I was so proud of the person mom I became. I was always the one everyone came to for help. Since my son died, the hell I grew up in is right back in my face. I guess I did forget that wound but it took a tragedy to remind me of it. This one ripped me wide open my younger son is what keeps me here.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

yes, EXACTLY. Pro-choice is not Pro-death. It is respecting peoples' choices. And exactly, @Brick In The Wall this is the recovery section so entirely the right place for this comment.

I personally think that calling people who are respectful of peoples' choices and wishes to die a 'death cult' is not respectful of their right to choose. I do not think SS is a death cult, and all of us would wish the rest of us to not suffer anymore and to recover if that is an option. But that doesn't mean we should patronise people who have made their decision after weighing up their own suffering.
I am currently, for about 3 or 4 days, feeling better thanks to acupuncture. It is still pretty unbelievable, I don't know how long it will last for. But I will always always be pro-choice, even if my recovery lasts, and if it does not. Because I know what this suffering is and life with it is unbearable for me.

I also think it's very disrespectful to call us a cult. Well written points here, thank you!

There are definitely some "death cu*ts" on here.

How very DARE you.
You must be a pro-lifer!

Grrrr

There are zero cults here. The mods and staff do an INCREDIBLE job with this place and they'd never allow such a thing.

We have however been labeled as such in pro life "articles" and hit pieces that have been written about this site. The whole thing is laughable and reminds me of the great satanic panic that occurred in the US during the 80s and 90s.

 

[BipolarGuy]

I also think it's very disrespectful to call us a cult. Well written points here, thank you!



There are zero cults here. The mods and staff do an INCREDIBLE job with this place and they'd never allow such a thing.

We have however been labeled as such in pro life "articles" and hit pieces that have been written about this site. The whole thing is laughable and reminds me of the great satanic panic that occurred in the US during the 80s and 90s.

Have I ever said that this site is a death cult?

I've expressed concerns over a minority of members and I feel as though I've always made that clear in my threads.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Have I ever said that this site is a death cult?

I've expressed concerns over a minority of members and I feel as though I've always made that clear in my threads.

I never said you did say that, so I dunno why you're getting all defensive. I was merely pointing out that we are indeed labeled as such by pro lifers.

 

[BipolarGuy]

I never said you did say that, so I dunno why you're getting all defensive. I was merely pointing out that we are indeed labeled as such by pro lifers.

Oh ok sorry, I read wrong. I apologise.

 

[EssenceFocus]

I like the concept of this pro-choice forum, where you can inform yourself of many things and can speak out everything you want.
The only case, where it would be difficult for me is, when a <18 year old person asks for special advices and I personally would encourage him to seek help, because in puberty everything can change very fast. That is a problem, that even little kids could enter this site, but you can't do anything about it...

 

[checkouttime]

why don't you go and join the samaritans. that way when people want help they can ring you. instead of you trying to force people to get help. i'm sure many people don't need you trying to tell them to seek help, when they have already tried a 1000 times. your putting people with issues/conditions under increased pressure than they already are. why should anyone listen to you, what make you such an expert, that they should do what you say? just because something works for you doesn't mean it does for others.

If someone wants help then they can ask for it, not have it forced upon them by some random stranger

 

[Iseeblue_711]

Hey. Just let you know that i am against the idea of encouraging anyone to end their lives. I understand that people have made up their minds.
but please don't give hope

please call 999/ 911 in emergency or 111

please accept any inpatient care. I did it for my psychotic breakdown and it really changed my perspective.
Doctors/nurses saved me.
I could of been sectioned but I went inpatient voluntary and it was the best thing I did.
Please have the courage, strength, determination to say "I need help ASAP"
Don't give into those nasty voices, thoughts saying you are worthless, your situation is hopeless. Fight like a tiger, ox, lion

I totally agree with you, no one should encourage any other person to do it, even if they ask to be encouraged, because, as we know, that person and the one who might be encouraging aren t in the best state of mind at the moment.But I have to be honest about the fact that I wouldn t mind being encouraged, because it would be harder to do it without a push(not because I m not, I don t know, depressed enough or that I haven t thought about it long enough, it s just the fact that it s a hard thing to do altogether, even if you re prepared), but that s just my case and I m glad that this kind of behaviour isn t allowed tho.I also think that suicide pacts are something...stupid, I mean, I m not judging anyone who did this, or is planning to, or whatever, but I don t think that s a good idea(also, I m kinda disgusted about people who force other people to join their pact or just won t let the other person leave the pact if they decided to not kill themselves).

 

[XYZ]

Hey. Just let you know that i am against the idea of encouraging anyone to end their lives.

Hey! I'm just letting you know it is against the forum rules to encourage anyone to end their lives.

I get it that you want to make a statement, but it comes off as if the rest of the users encourage suicide, which is simply not true.

You are only stating the obvious but making it sound like something special that sets you apart from the rest of the community.

 

[BipolarGuy]

why don't you go and join the samaritans. that way when people want help they can ring you. instead of you trying to force people to get help. i'm sure many people don't need you trying to tell them to seek help, when they have already tried a 1000 times. your putting people with issues/conditions under increased pressure than they already are. why should anyone listen to you, what make you such an expert, that they should do what you say? just because something works for you doesn't mean it does for others.

If someone wants help then they can ask for it, not have it forced upon them by some random stranger

Sorry, who is forcing?

 

[checkouttime]

someone telling people to phone 911 etc and the rest of what was said, that is telling someone what to do.....forcefully, like they should do it.when it isn't upto that person to make that decision

If i wrote go and CTB, it would be exactly the same thing. thats why i don't write that. aswell as it being against the rules.

 

[BipolarGuy]

someone telling people to phone 911 etc and the rest of what was said, that is telling someone what to do.....forcefully, like they should do it.when it isn't upto that person to make that decision

If i wrote go and CTB, it would be exactly the same thing. thats why i don't write that. aswell as it being against the rules.

I think in real life people can read into people's intentions.

I don't think the OP is forcing anything, how can they?

 

[checkouttime]

I think in real life people can read into people's intentions.

I don't think the OP is forcing anything, how can they?

I understand that people have made up their minds.

but please don't give hope
please call 999/ 911 in emergency or 111
please accept any inpatient care. I did it for my psychotic breakdown and it really changed my perspective.
Doctors/nurses saved me.
I could of been sectioned but I went inpatient voluntary and it was the best thing I did.
Please have the courage, strength, determination to say "I need help ASAP"
Don't give into those nasty voices, thoughts saying you are worthless, your situation is hopeless. Fight like a tiger, ox, lion

they are pretty much begging people...please...do this...please do that. trying to make people feel guilty.

If they understand a person has made up their mind.....why are they trying to change it for them, by writing them things= telling someone what to do.

its not written in a way as if a person has a choice, it is written in the context of what a person should do.

If someone was saying have you tried this or 'you could' fair enough. but not begging people with words like please do this.

were not here to encourage don't forget thats a two way thing, random strangers don't encourage others to do anything. you never know their intentions. they might seem like good intentions but how do you know they are. especially if they are lying in the first place ,as they are here to encourage people to recover which is not what the site is for or to encourage people to CTB either

 

[BipolarGuy]

they are pretty much begging people...please...do this...please do that. trying to make people feel guilty.

If they understand a person has made up their mind.....why are they trying to change it for them, by writing them things= telling someone what to do.

its not written in a way as if a person has a choice, it is written in the context of what a person should do.

If someone was saying have you tried this or 'you could' fair enough. but not begging people with words like please do this.

were not here to encourage don't forget thats a two way thing, random strangers don't encourage others to do anything. you never know their intentions. they might seem like good intentions but how do you know they are. especially if they are lying in the first place ,as they are here to encourage people to recover which is not what the site is for or to encourage people to CTB either

To a certain extent I agree.

Phoning 999 or the Samaritans won't do anything about practical issues.
I think that someone saying this though is not manipulating people.

What about when people jump straight in and explain how to kill yourself with high success rate?
You said yourself it's two ways....

 

[checkouttime]

they are using the word please continuously which is to me begging someone to do something. if a person choose to do that it is fine, but a person has a choice. they don't need people begging them to do something.

if a person starts a thread asking for information on a method etc then giving them information about it would be doing what that person wants. if they wanted help they can ask for that instead.then you wouldn't be offering them methods, as its not what they asked for.

if i wrote pleas CTB

please try this method

i would get hung out to dry

 

[BipolarGuy]

they are using the word please continuously which is to me begging someone to do something. if a person choose to do that it is fine, but a person has a choice. they don't need people begging them to do something.

if a person starts a thread asking for information on a method etc then giving them information about it would be doing what that person wants. if they wanted help they can ask for that instead.then you wouldn't be offering them methods, as its not what they asked for.

if i wrote pleas CTB

please try this method

i would get hung out to dry

I feel you're using language in a way that most people don't in every day life.

The word "please" is used when asking somebody something, not when giving people orders.

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

Phoning 999 won't change circumstances i.e problems at work, home, relationships with people etc, but will keep a person safe from themselves. - bridge, overdosing, sn, hanging themselves etc.
otherwise it's the illness that wins.

 

[HadEnough1974]

Hey. Just let you know that i am against the idea of encouraging anyone to end their lives. I understand that people have made up their minds.
but please don't give hope

please call 999/ 911 in emergency or 111

please accept any inpatient care. I did it for my psychotic breakdown and it really changed my perspective.
Doctors/nurses saved me.
I could of been sectioned but I went inpatient voluntary and it was the best thing I did.
Please have the courage, strength, determination to say "I need help ASAP"
Don't give into those nasty voices, thoughts saying you are worthless, your situation is hopeless. Fight like a tiger, ox, lion

For some people, it does get better. Sometimes it gets worse before it gets better and sometimes it never gets better and only gets worse.

I'm happy that it got better for you.

 

[Lilacmoon]

I have problems that would only get worse if I were to waste time in a ward. Time sensitive problems that if I don't tend to, I can ever fix. Right now I can cope. If I were lockrd up again some opportunities I have would be gone forever. Please do not assume involuntary is right for everyone.

I am happy you found help. But not everyone can be helped in that way.

 

[HadEnough1974]

There used to be a kind of SN cult on here but the leader was banned and everything mellowed out.

Saying there are death cults on here implies not just one but multiple factions encouraging death and discouraging life. If I came across that I'd be calling it out wherever it happens and reporting it to mods.

When I call it out, whether it's prolifers or predators, I do it where it's happening, and I talk about it elsewhere on the forum and provide proof to back up my claims. I do that because I have a personal value of being trustworthy, and because I don't like to stir up fear; rather, I like to give information to fellow members about what to be wary of -- what's happening, what it looks like, how to guard oneself from it.

If dying of laughter is a cult, count me in!!

If dying of laughter is a cult, count me in!!

Please make ma laugh so hard that I have tears in my eyes and can't breathe anymore!!

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

It's like there's a lot of things that I would like to have one day but I can't change, in the end you learn to accept these things like learning to drive. I cannot under any circumstances due to my disability learn to drive, but all the people around me have cars, learned to drive at 18. But in the end, I have to stop dwelling on it and letting affect my depression.

I have also stopped going to places in my local area, that also worsened my depression and stopped thinking about feeling isolated. "I have no friends, no wants me, etc" and now I am realisng now I am more safer at home. When previously my bpd would go crazy because some ass didn't turn up or some prat said a nasty comment or I was bored seeing the same people in my town centre just sitting on their ass' making meaningless conversations with each other and superficial friendships that didn't move in any direction talking about the same shit like a broken record.
please note that not be able to drive or learn to drive, was a very hard realisation for myself given that I am dyspraxic it was something at first that really triggered my extremely low moods.

Sorry, who is forcing?

all I am saying is I feel helpless that there are people are on forum that are at edge of ending their lives and I wish there was more out there to support them, so they don't have commit suicide.

i wish I could just join Samaritans but again, this organisation can only just listen, I wish I was out there now and that is why I am studying to become a social worker.

 

[Throwawaysoul]

Calling 911 in the US is a good way to fast track suicide, they aren't trained or compassionate enough to deal with suicidal people or people with mental health issues. Also if you don't have health insurance, it's a fantastic way to put yourself in financial ruins. That ambulance ride alone could cost you up to $3,000.

If you want help in the US please don't call 911.

ACAB/FTP

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

So what do people do when they are suicidal or about end their lives, read a book, watch telly have a bath. That's the advice mental health teams have said to me, but once they knew that psychotic breakdown was serious things changed, they realised I wasnt just a bit sad and down about circumstances I was a danger to myself and possibly others.

 

[HadEnough1974]

So what do people do when they are suicidal or about end their lives, read a book, watch telly have a bath. That's the advice mental health teams have said to me, but once they knew that psychotic breakdown was serious things changed, they realised I wasnt just a bit sad and down about circumstances I was a danger to myself and possibly others.

A psychotic breakdown as you have described is something different than someone logically coming to the conclusion that suicide is the final option.

In your case, you were very rapidly spiralling out of control, you were not "of sound mind". Some people are of sound mind when they decide to end their pain and suffering. They have looked at and exhausted all other options. I'm happy that you are doing better.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Ok what's going to happen now is that a load of specific cases will be put forward, some real, some hypothetical, and from these people will try to derive generalities, some of which will not take account of the complexities of real life.

Where's my popcorn?

Oh is that the time?

 

[Lilacmoon]

Ok what's going to happen now is that a load of specific cases will be put forward, some real, some hypothetical, and from these people will try to derive generalities, some of which will not take account of the complexities of real life.

Where's my popcorn?

Oh is that the time?

Aww, now that you called it out we won't get the specific cases and generalities :(