Discussion Hypothetical - what is best??

[Forwardplanning]

I read the threads, SN is good, SN isn't, that won't work, that will.

Even the lists online contradict themselves.

I just want a straight answer.

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

Powdered nembutal in my opinion is the best option but very hard to get and you need to test purity by sending to a lab.

 

[autumnal]

Nembutal (N) is the gold standard of peacefullness but far more difficult to obtain due to illegality without prescription in most countries. SN is much easier to obtain but less peaceful than N. The degree to which SN lacks peacefullness is the matter of some uncertainty and debate. I personally would regard the PPH as the closest thing to an empirical and unbiased source of information on that front. Like most things in life, the decision involves a trade-off, and in the end you need to weigh up the evidence and decide for yourself. But I can't think of any reason why someone who could obtain N wouldn't go for that option.

 

[Forwardplanning]

Getting hold of SN is infinitely easier that getting your hands on N. I'm day in the UK thinking N during lockdown is nigh on impossible.

Powdered nembutal in my opinion is the best option but very hard to get and you need to test purity by sending to a lab.

That's sounds like such a loonnnngggg process

 

[Hoopali]

This is my personal view but as the user above said, the PPeH is probably most unbiased and covers all methods.

N as an injection is supposed to be ok, but not possible to do on yourself, so you have to drink a bitter liquid. That puts me off (and the fact it is illegal to obtain and so many scammers).

SN is legal to own and buy but also tastes horrid (anecdotally) in that it is super salty (although there may be a way around this by using a bomb/parachute). Also the standard is that you obtain anti-emetics which are not OTC to avoid vomiting. Therefore you have to potentially go round the houses for those. Finally it takes (again anecdotal evidence) an estimated 15-30mins to lose consciousness so what are you feeling in those moments? Pain?

Hanging I (again, personal viewpoint) consider violent. Whilst choking yourself with fingers is nice, even slightly euphoric when you remove them, the actual act of hanging, to me is still brutal for the person that finds you. And finding your sweet spot can be a bugger - a lot have found it impossible.

The method I think I will be going with is the exit bag with nitrogen. Nice and peaceful, drift away in about 60-90seconds (estimated). Down side - equipment necessary can be a little daunting and some people (who seem quite happy to hang or turn their blood to sludge) don't like putting a see through plastic bag on their head.

These are just my personal opinions and are for educational purposes only.

 

[Forwardplanning]

This is my personal view but as the user above said, the PPeH is probably most unbiased and covers all methods.

N as an injection is supposed to be ok, but not possible to do on yourself, so you have to drink a bitter liquid. That puts me off (and the fact it is illegal to obtain and so many scammers).

SN is legal to own and buy but also tastes horrid (anecdotally) in that it is super salty (although there may be a way around this by using a bomb/parachute). Also the standard is that you obtain anti-emetics which are not OTC to avoid vomiting. Therefore you have to potentially go round the houses for those. Finally it takes (again anecdotal evidence) an estimated 15-30mins to lose consciousness so what are you feeling in those moments? Pain?

Hanging I (again, personal viewpoint) consider violent. Whilst choking yourself with fingers is nice, even slightly euphoric when you remove them, the actual act of hanging, to me is still brutal for the person that finds you. And finding your sweet spot can be a bugger - a lot have found it impossible.

The method I think I will be going with is the exit bag with nitrogen. Nice and peaceful, drift away in about 60-90seconds (estimated). Down side - equipment necessary can be a little daunting and some people (who seem quite happy to hang or turn their blood to sludge) don't like putting a see through plastic bag on their head.

These are just my personal opinions and are for educational purposes only.

I've not looked into nitrogen

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I've read through the accounts of SN successes and failures and it seems that it is peaceful for some but not for all. I've tested my reactions to table salt, and I accidentally got some SN in my system when testing my blood and put the SN on the wound because I couldn't bleed enough to test it off of my body. In both cases, I had symptoms that aligned with SN anecdotes and it would not be peaceful for me, although I think I can handle the symptoms for 20 minutes, but it will be difficult emotionally as I don't have a high tolerance for pain or suffering. It is my backup method.

The ReBreather does not seem to be shipped to my country. I can't get N. So I have a plan for CO, as it seems peaceful if done right, but I'm still afraid that I won't do it right and will wake up with symptoms, then have to use the SN as backup.

 

[Hoopali]

I've not looked into nitrogen

There is a great megathread on here for it. It's long but most of the detail is in the first few pages (and personally I like reading long threads!)

I've read through the accounts of SN successes and failures and it seems that it is peaceful for some but not for all. I've tested my reactions to table salt, and I accidentally got some SN in my system when testing my blood and put the SN on the wound because I couldn't bleed enough to test it off of my body. In both cases, I had symptoms that aligned with SN anecdotes and it would not be peaceful for me, although I think I can handle the symptoms for 20 minutes, but it will be difficult emotionally as I don't have a high tolerance for pain or suffering. It is my backup method.

The ReBreather does not seem to be shipped to my country. I can't get N. So I have a plan for CO, as it seems peaceful if done right, but I'm still afraid that I won't do it right and will wake up with symptoms, then have to use the SN as backup.

I have seen a few mentions of CO on here but it still seems secondary to nitrogen in my opinion. Is there a successes/failure thread for it like there is for SN? I think I saw a failure the other day where the person woke up in their car?

Edit: SN on your wound?! Hardcore! What happened - did you make a thread about it?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I have seen a few mentions of CO on here but it still seems secondary to nitrogen in my opinion. Is there a successes/failure thread for it like there is for SN? I think I saw a failure the other day where the person woke up in their car?

I don't have access to nitrogen or would consider it. There is not a success/failure thread, in fact I've posted in the past month bemoaning there is no such info, and also complained on the CO megathread that the thread is a shitshow. Yes, there have been several posts about people surviving CO, it's not a reliable method, but peaceful if done right, but there are a lot of variables unlike SN. At least I am confident that SN works if not interrupted for four hours.

 

[jgm63]

For SN, I have some notes here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/cons-of-sn.36369/post-674646

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Edit: SN on your wound?! Hardcore! What happened - did you make a thread about it?

I just saw this edit. Not hardcore, just dumbass. I didn't make a thread but I posted about it. I felt warmth go up my arm into my shoulder, them down into my chest. My breathing was mildly restricted. I drank a lot of water as soon the symptoms started and they abated very quickly.

 

[Forwardplanning]

Getting hold of SN is infinitely easier that getting your hands on N. I'm day in the UK thinking N during lockdown is nigh on impossible.

That's sounds like such a loonnnngggg process

I tried to buy SN but have been unsuccessful

 

[Forwardplanning]

So, buying SN didn't turn out to be as easy as I thought it would be. Maybe nitrogen could be the answer!

 

[calendulo]

An straightforward answer is impossible, but would be worse if the answer were untrue.
SN is a cheaper method, it is just a toxic. If you can stand some pain level.

 

[Forwardplanning]

An straightforward answer is impossible, but would be worse if the answer were untrue.
SN is a cheaper method, it is just a toxic. If you can stand some pain level.

I think I'm scrubbing the idea of SN. The hunt for a reliable supplier of N begins and I may look at Nit as a back up

 

[calendulo]

I think I'm scrubbing the idea of SN. The hunt for a reliable supplier of N begins and I may look at Nit as a back up

I am not so sure about scrubbing meaning, but seems to be that your issue is about the certainly to get it.......
To use SN instead N just can to be about money and it is a logical reason. Another reason is wrong surely.
There are N powders and N veterinary liquid.
The N liquid advantage is that you know what you have, 6,3 grms/100ml.............powders not, you will have to test it or take the risk.
About taste, what can I say you................it is known taste issues of N liquid, I do not know about powders.....
About suppliers, N vet liquid is reliable, there are a lot of people who have got it, myself for example. About N powders I am not so confident about people who say to have it, but it could be trustworthy.

About customs, there is not safe about that problem, If it seized.....bad luck!. That risk is inevitable.

 

[Forwardplanning]

I am not so sure about scrubbing meaning, but seems to be that your issue is about the certainly to get it.......
To use SN instead N just can to be about money and it is a logical reason. Another reason is wrong surely.
There are N powders and N veterinary liquid.
The N liquid advantage is that you know what you have, 6,3 grms/100ml.............powders not, you will have to test it or take the risk.
About taste, what can I say you................it is known taste issues of N liquid, I do not know about powders.....
About suppliers, N vet liquid is reliable, there are a lot of people who have got it, myself for example. About N powders I am not so confident about people who say to have it, but it could be trustworthy.

About customs, there is not safe about that problem, If it seized.....bad luck!. That risk is inevitable.

Where from?

 

[calendulo]

Where from?

N come from US.

 

[bpdandme]

There is no objective answer, even things like partial won't work for everyone but will work for some. I guess N would be the ideal but ofc it has legal issues, scams and the N not being delivered.

 

[calendulo]

No there is not an objective answer...........I agree with.
Title says hyphotetical.
And a hypothesis allows you to compare a barbiturate and a salt. Or a veterinary anaesthetic and a philia.
All theories are welcomed.

 

[LMLN]

I think I would have a very difficult time swallowing the N vet liquid. You need at least 100mL, some say 200mL. That's a lot! And it is very bad tasting. The powdered N would be best, but it's harder to get.
SN is readily available and legal, so I will be using that or the debreather. I cannot risk the legal problems in my situation. I know SN is not as peaceful, but if I follow the regimen in the guide here, it'll hopefully be not as bad.
Each person needs to do their own research and decide what is best in their own situation.