How to synthesize N?

[Secrets1]

Been looking around online for this without luck. Anyone know where to find? I don't think N will disappear due to the gap in supply and demand. Especially since it's still produced on a large scale for animals. Right??? Is there something I'm missing? What's prohibiting a new producer?

I think there's more to C no longer supplying N due to unavailability of chemical precursors, could be wrong about that.

It appears chegg might have an answer (lol) but I no longer subscribe there.


also came across this which is before my time and wildly fascinating. Anyone have insight?

https://exitinternational.net/deliverance/eDvol5no7.pdf

 

[PursuitofWonder]

If this is considered sourcing then please feel free to remove this! So I have never seen nor could I find a synthesis of N. There is a general guide of a couple other barbs that could serve the same purpose here: https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/barbiturates.html
If you don't have a pretty extensive knowledge of chemistry this is a dangerous and semi complicated synth, it's not some shake and bake amphetamine. There are hundreds of synths available in the rhodium archives so give that a look to find some barb alternatives too.

 

[Meretlein]

There is a chapter in the Peaceful Pill Handbook on synthesizing N.

It is well beyond kitchen chemistry.

 

[Secrets1]

Yeaaa quite Laborious and tricky. Not a 1 man job and it's pro shit like you said. Pento is on that erowid doc. Methyl butyl-ethyl malonic acid appears the differentiator bt N and the other barbs, preparing that is where my head starts spinning compared to some of the other products. Although at this point my brain is foggy af from the dense reading and I'm rusty when it comes to this stuff. Worth a few more reads though. Thanks for the info

 

[Secrets1]

See how compared to other substances a majority of dark web chemists find this too intensive. Demand's gonna remain with the opportunity to essentially monopolize a market. There's obv profit to be had for the dedicated.

I do not have access to the PPH but am curious if their method is the same as described on erowid. So far when I've tried to access an older version online it seems to be virused up.

 

[Deleted member 94]

Yeaaa quite Laborious and tricky. Not a 1 man job and it's pro shit like you said. Pento is on that erowid doc. Methyl butyl-ethyl malonic acid appears the differentiator bt N and the other barbs, preparing that is where my head starts spinning compared to some of the other products. Although at this point my brain is foggy af from the dense reading and I'm rusty when it comes to this stuff. Worth a few more reads though. Thanks for the info

You can get it on Alibaba i mean methyl butyl ethyl malanoic acid.

This product is no longer available.

This product is no longer available.

m.alibaba.com

Just check if I got the cas number right I looked it up on a company which manufactures n called sigma Aldrich.
There is a book called recreational drugs by professor buzz he goes into how create various drugs even barbiturates.

 

[Secrets1]

prepared to put my foot in mouth it's been a while but think those are different compounds. Methyl butyl ethyl has an extra carbon (butyl is n, not tert) however can't even find the specs for that anywhere. This is closest from what I can see and of course patent link isn't working

1-methyl butyl-ethyl malonic ester?

1-methyl butyl-ethyl malonic ester?

www.thevespiary.org

 

[Deleted member 94]

Sorry About that.

The article you linked from the forum is word to word the recipe from the book I mentioned.

If only you can find the cas number I'm sure there's a Chinese supplier.

 

[Secrets1]

Sorry About that.

The article you linked from the forum is word to word the recipe from the book I mentioned.

If only you can find the cas number I'm sure there's a Chinese supplier.

No worries appreciate trying to help!

 

[Amumu]

Yay Walter White of N
Seriously what are you talking about with C?

 

[Deleted member 94]

No worries appreciate trying to help!

The book I mentioned also gives you other drugs synthesis similar to n like quinalbarbitone and seconal, seconal is what Marylin Manson used.

 

[Secrets1]

Yay Walter White of N
Seriously what are you talking about with C?

Repeating what's in their megathread...

why be patronizing?

 

[Deleted member 94]

The book I mentioned also gives you other drugs synthesis similar to n like quinalbarbitone and seconal, seconal is what Marylin Manson used.

I meant Marylin Monroe shit how could I get the names confused.

 

[Secrets1]

I meant Marylin Monroe shit how could I get the names confused.

Lolll I knew where you were going just figured typo

 

[Amumu]

Repeating what's in their megathread...

why be patronizing?

Didn't read their mega thread, genuinely interested in what's happening with C
WW was a joke, I'm not really patronising tbh

 

[Secrets1]

Didn't read their mega thread, genuinely interested in what's happening with C
WW was a joke, I'm not really patronising tbh

Sorry, peace man. Im no stranger to negative impression management. Not the 1st time a joke goes over my head.

 

[Deleted member 94]

No worries appreciate trying to help!

I might be wrong again but still want to know

117-47-5 | CAS DataBase

ChemicalBook provide information on the 117-47-5: structure, uses, msds, molecular formula, cas, and suppliers.

m.chemicalbook.com

This is the cas number which shows up when I try to look for it and I might have made a mistake, do you know the molecular formula for the product. I've seen this on sale on one Chinese company site which brought back memories of 9 years ago when they supplied people with n but then caught on and stopped supplying.

117-47-5 | CAS DataBase

ChemicalBook provide information on the 117-47-5: structure, uses, msds, molecular formula, cas, and suppliers.

m.chemicalbook.com

 

[Secrets1]

I might be wrong again but still want to know

117-47-5 | CAS DataBase

ChemicalBook provide information on the 117-47-5: structure, uses, msds, molecular formula, cas, and suppliers.

m.chemicalbook.com

This is the cas number which shows up when I try to look for it and I might have made a mistake, do you know the molecular formula for the product. I've seen this on sale on one Chinese company site which brought back memories of 9 years ago when they supplied people with n but then caught on and stopped supplying.

117-47-5 | CAS DataBase

ChemicalBook provide information on the 117-47-5: structure, uses, msds, molecular formula, cas, and suppliers.

m.chemicalbook.com

Hey bud, tried to PM you but can't. I just had some life issues that left me beyond drained. Got close to N had to put my dog on the bus. I will circle back on this in the next week.

 

[Gnip]

Every pharmacist with a chemistry degree I'm familiar with knows how to make it, but of course none of them will because it's illegal and would cost them their licenses and careers. The few retirees from the field I've known have disappeared, but they could certainly make it for themselves if they needed to sleep or wanted to CTB. (Pharmacists often have difficulty obtaining prescriptions for themselves, but if they have a chemistry background and the property for a small home laboratory, they can work around prescriber refusals and clandestinely make many drugs for themselves, including barbiturates. Pharmacists with extensive chemistry backgrounds can make drugs most prescribers cannot make.)

Pharmacists with chemistry degrees are my primary consultants on medications and drug interactions. When I can, I obtain the business cards of these pharmacists and exchange them with the business cards of my prescribers. (CVS is one drug chain which does not supply business cards of their pharmacists, so I do not do much business with CVS.) There is a pharmacist who has known me since 1993 who now manages a small independent pharmacy, and I have given her card to my prescribers, and their cards to her. This gesture alone is usually enough to get me prescriptions for whatever I want from my health care providers. (My problem here is that I have tried just about everything at this stage. Unless some radically new and effective medications are developed, I am pretty much screwed at this juncture.)

 

[Deleted member 94]

Did you read the ppeh book about the elderly making it in a discrete location in Australia, I'm not saying it's easy if elderly people can do it but I'm saying it's possible.

 

[Nymph]

Did you read the ppeh book about the elderly making it in a discrete location in Australia, I'm not saying it's easy if elderly people can do it but I'm saying it's possible.

Maybe they were doctors or chemists?

but if they weren't then it might actually not be they extremely hard..

 

[Deleted member 94]

Maybe they were doctors or chemists?

but if they weren't then it might actually not be they extremely hard..

I don't know just exit international members but from their contraption that they made up doesn't look like any laboratory equipment. Check the picture looks like a Frankenstein teapot.

 

[Deleted member 94]

Try getting your hands on ppeh from 2006 or 2007 I think, there was a chapter in it called " the peanut project " and it was another bunch of exit members making n in a discrete location However this one included if I remember correctly a diagram showing the whole set up of actual lab equipment. Also had pictures of them holding the end product that they had manufactured. At the time exit didn't have the equipment to test powder n so they were dubious about the purity of their product but I believe some time ago exit bought the machines necessary for testing especially when members got worried about the purity of Chinese n.

 

[Meditation guide]

Make your own Nembutal Kit. Complete with ingredients, utensils and instructions. $25 online. (wishful thinking)

exit members making n

I saw a video of elderly people in Australia making N. They had some equipment set up and were peering at it cooking it. No one was willing to try out the finished product.

 

[Secrets1]

Idk why 1-methyl butyl-ethyl malonic ester is named as such in the directions. Can't find it anywhere online. I think they're talking about this which rhodium posted the broken link to the patent to. C14H26O4, Diethyl ethyl(1-methylbutyl) malonate

Diethyl ethyl(1-methylbutyl)malonate CAS#: 76-72-2

ChemicalBook provide Chemical industry users with Diethyl ethyl(1-methylbutyl)malonate(76-72-2) Boiling point Melting point,Diethyl ethyl(1-methylbutyl)malonate(76-72-2) Density MSDS Formula Use,If You also need to Diethyl ethyl(1-methylbutyl)malonate(76-72-2) Other information,welcome to...

m.chemicalbook.com

Not exactly reassuring when the directions name a different compound. If directions to synth are in pph I don't see the harm in posting them here. I guarantee the group in Australia had scientists as well as took quite a bit of time collecting supplies and setup. Still they wouldn't taste test the product despite their endeavor and old age. The pressure cook was an attempt to make production easier however we haven't heard much about it since then. That says a lot imo.

It's hard to imagine every pharmacist with a chemistry degree knowing how to make it when we're having a tough time finding directions . They need that to start and def don't "know it". I don't doubt the prototype being described could figure it out and has easier access in knowing where to look. But if they're going to kill themselves who cares about oversight. They could easily work their way into a veterinary pharmacy with tons of access.

The main barriers of individual production are acquisition of supplies, lab setup, production safety and precision. Wouldn't be surprised if buying from A is cheaper than all that for a single dose. I'm mostly curious if the path exists for another supplier to enter the market rather than figure out how to make at home. And why C may be bowing out last I read.

 

[Secrets1]

To clarify what's lead in this direction is 1methyl butyl-ethyl malonic ester comes out to c9h18o2 by my estimation and i find nothing with that formula in the same conformation. Could see creating the ester from the parent molecule c14h26o4 as possible. The most advanced I took formally was biochem I don't have a lot of experience researching substances but am interested to learn. In fact I'd love to learn how to make designer psychedelics like are being sold on the dark web now. That'd be an interesting path to take. Pursuing N has less appeal bc of moral issues I'm uncomfortable with. I would bet the instructions for synthesizing are hidden somewhere in a pharmacology textbook.

Just having put down my dog i can see it's a true gift under the right circumstances and may start advocating. There are too many unknowns to personally feel good about distributing without screening. Still, my futures opened up with nothing to lose, it's is intriguing to think about.

 

[ididnotconsent]

There is a chapter in the Peaceful Pill Handbook on synthesizing N.

It is well beyond kitchen chemistry.

Where? I don't see that chapter. I'm using the gofile link on the pph January 2025.