Help How long/painful is sn

[Ghab]

how long does SN take to kill you, and how painful is it? Could it be compared to CO poisoning?

 

[hunter_lewis]

there were a few attempts in the forum. Pain level was rated around a 7 in 10, and time until unconsciousness 30 min-2 hours but it take much longer.
Be wary when you do this, SN only blocks enzymes for a while so make sure they don't find you

 

[Ghab]

7-10, that must be pretty painful. I'd liken that to slicing arms.

 

[hunter_lewis]

7-10, that must be pretty painful. I'd liken that to slicing arms.

I've had migraines I would give an 8/10 or period cramps 7/10. I suppose I can face sn?!:D
SN is pretty painful. But what is this pain conpared to life?

 

[Rex]

7/10 peaceful, not painful. So it's 3/10 painful... unless you're telling me N is the most painful way at 10/10

Check screenshots, read to PPeH

 

[Jaded]

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Be wary when you do this, SN only blocks enzymes for a while so make sure they don't find you

What do you mean by this ?

 

[worldexploder]

there were a few attempts in the forum. Pain level was rated around a 7 in 10, and time until unconsciousness 30 min-2 hours but it take much longer.
Be wary when you do this, SN only blocks enzymes for a while so make sure they don't find you

That sounds terrifying. Especially taking into consideration how long it takes.

 

[Ghab]

7/10 peaceful, not painful. So it's 3/10 painful... unless you're telling me N is the most painful way at 10/10

Check screenshots, read to PPeH

Oh, thank you.

 

[worldexploder]

7/10 peaceful, not painful. So it's 3/10 painful... unless you're telling me N is the most painful way at 10/10

Check screenshots, read to PPeH

Oh wait, so the higher the numbers the more peaceful?

 

[Rex]

Those 6s and 7s on the pain chart seem pretty significant. I personally wouldn't use those methods. If I was able to I'd only use N or an inert gas.

Look at them again vs N, it's peacefulness out of 10, not pain.

 

[worldexploder]

Look at them again vs N, it's peacefulness out of 10, not pain.

My bad. I looked again and saw that. Corrected myself.

 

[Voldmort]

thank you

7/10 peaceful, not painful. So it's 3/10 painful... unless you're telling me N is the most painful way at 10/10

Check screenshots, read to PPeH

 

[hunter_lewis]

What do you mean by this ?

SN works by blocking certain enzymes that are responsible for hemoglobin. So the oxygen content in the blood is reduced. However the body overcomes this blockage after 2-3 h, so make sure you use enough.
@Rex I don't believe the PPH-there were some attempts on here and also on another suicide site and they said it was pretty painful. One guy reported stomach pain and vomiting. Obviously it's not excruciatingly painful-pretty nasty but still feasible.

 

[hunter_lewis]

The more you read the PPH the more you notice the mistakes. I would go with more than 20g of SN just to be sure.

 

[Rex]

SN works by blocking certain enzymes that are responsible for hemoglobin. So the oxygen content in the blood is reduced. However the body overcomes this blockage after 2-3 h, so make sure you use enough.
@Rex I don't believe the PPH-there were some attempts on here and also on another suicide site and they said it was pretty painful. One guy reported stomach pain and vomiting. Obviously it's not excruciatingly painful-pretty nasty but still feasible.

At this point you're spreading FUD, stop it. The PPeH is there and is reliable, your accounts or noted accounts are not. Your only intention is to spread fear on this method and PPeH in general, which is FUD.

Also vomiting won't occur if you take a high dose meto (60mg) 30mins before. So those people you're basing your data of off were not following the best way to do this.

 

[hunter_lewis]

At this point you're spreading FUD, stop it. The PPeH is there and is reliable, your accounts or noted accounts are not. Your only intention is to spread fear on this method and PPeH in general, which is FUD.

No, it is not, and I think it is quite rude of you to say that. That is by no means my intention. You do not live in my head and so please do not judge what you do not know.
The PPH is not perfect in all respects. I myself am planning to use SN, but people need to know the risks..

 

[hunter_lewis]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite-attempt.2902/
Here is a link to one of the failed attempts for everyone to see.
That with the 7/10 pain rating was something I read on another site, not on here though.

 

[Rex]

No, it is not, and I think it is quite rude of you to say that. That is by no means my intention. You do not live in my head and so please do not judge what you do not know.
The PPH is not perfect in all respects. I myself am planning to use SN, but people need to know the risks.

It's not rude to call you out on you saying "I don't believe the PPH" - that is literally what you said.

Nobody said it was perfect either, so don't know why you're pulling me up about that. Painful is subjective and it scored 7/10 for peacefulness. That sounds pretty damn peaceful to me for a way to exit, considering all the data it's based of off too.

 

[Rex]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite-attempt.2902/
Here is a link to one of the failed attempts for everyone to see.
That with the 7/10 pain rating was something I read on another site, not on here though.

Many mistakes with how this person did it, firstly he used paracetamol as anti-emetic. Vomited instead of falling unconscious, panicking and called an ambulance.

That is a good lesson on how NOT to do this method, doesn't mean the PPH is wrong. Heesh.

 

[hunter_lewis]

It's not rude to call you out on you saying "I don't believe the PPH" - that is literally what you said.

Nobody said it was perfect either, so don't know why you're pulling me up about that. Painful is subjective and it scored 7/10 for peacefulness. That sounds pretty damn peaceful to me for a way to exit, considering all the data it's based of off too.

I don't think it's rude to call me out on saying that, but more by telling me that it is my intention to spread fear on here. That is not my intention.
Anyway-we can argue back and forth on here all day. I'm not going to do that. However, people still need to know that this method is not infallible and neither is the PPH. If there are details that need to be discussed in question, a better place to do it would to be open a new thread for this topic.

 

[Rex]

there were a few attempts in the forum. Pain level was rated around a 7 in 10, and time until unconsciousness 30 min-2 hours but it take much longer.
Be wary when you do this, SN only blocks enzymes for a while so make sure they don't find you

I don't think it's rude to call me out on saying that, but more by telling me that it is my intention to spread fear on here. That is not my intention.
Anyway-we can argue back and forth on here all day. I'm not going to do that. However, people still need to know that this method is not infallible and neither is the PPH. If there are details that need to be discussed in question, a better place to do it would to be open a new thread for this topic.

Read the first quote, you said the pain level is rated 7/10. That is plain wrong, that is the peacefulness level. You're misunderstanding the PPH or spreading fear. So unless it's the former, you're spreading fear imho.

But yes no need to argue more, the info is out there to read for people to understand with my attached screenshots comparing it to N which 10/10 on peacefulness, so people can decide for themselves if this is right for them or not.

So to be clear again; the peacefulness is rated 7/10 if you do it properly.

 

[hunter_lewis]

Read the first quote, you said the pain level is rated 7/10. That is plain wrong, that is the peacefulness level. You're misunderstanding the PPH or spreading fear. So unless it's the former, you're spreading fear imho.

But yes no need to argue more, the info is out there to read for people to understand with my attached screenshots comparing it to N which 10/10 on peacefulness, so people can decide for themselves if this is right for them or not.

So to be clear again; the peacefulness is rated 7/10 if you do it properly.

I am capable of reading-the pain level was rated by someone on another website because that specific person had bad stomach cramps and told me that it is a 7 out of 10 for them for pain in their specific case. They did find the pain quite bad. They survived because their family member found them vomiting on the floor. I know that the PPH rates it a 7 out of 10 for peacefulness. I don't understand how I am spreading misinformation-you assumed that just because the number was the same. I never wrote anything about peacefulness.
Of course, that was only one case-not everyone is going to have severe pain.

 

[Rex]

I am capable of reading-the pain level was rated by someone on another website because that specific person had bad stomach cramps and told me that it is a 7 out of 10 for them for pain in their specific case. They did find the pain quite bad. They survived because their family member found them vomiting on the floor. I know that the PPH rates it a 7 out of 10 for peacefulness. I don't understand how I am spreading misinformation-you assumed that just because the number was the same. I never wrote anything about peacefulness.
Of course, that was only one case-not everyone is going to have severe pain.

In future you need to be specific about things like this, one subjective account is what you were on about from how I'm looking at it now.

When you post here and give it a rating, everyone will take that as gospel if they have not read the PPeH. So honestly, it was misinformation because you failed to be specific in your reply. Also time to unconsciousness should be about 5minutes, not 30mins-2hours.

 

[hunter_lewis]

In future you need to be specific about things like this, one subjective account is what you were on about from how I'm looking at it now.

When you post here and give it a rating, everyone will take that as gospel if they have not read the PPeH. So honestly, it was misinformation because you failed to be specific in your reply. Also time to unconsciousness should be about 5minutes, not 30mins-2hours.

Good that the controversy was cleared up then...That was only one account, not all of them and pain is going to be different for everyone. I still don't believe everything in the PPH though.

 

[Chinaski]

Also vomiting won't occur if you take a high dose meto (60mg) 30mins before. So those people you're basing your data of off were not following the best way to do this.

In fairness the latest PPH reduced the stat dose of meto prior to N ingestion from 60mg to 30mg without acknowledging the change at all, I'd presume this is the same for SN and does suggest that the PPH is not quite as reliable as l first thought.

 

[Rex]

Good that the controversy was cleared up then...That was only one account, not all of them and pain is going to be different for everyone. I still don't believe everything in the PPH though.

That's great, now at least the proper information is out there for people to understand correctly. Being as specific as possible is really important for end of life measures.

You can believe what you want to believe, that's up to you. Just make sure you are specific in your replies in future, as without me commenting about this, people would look at this thread and think "hell no" to this method, when it's relatively peaceful.

Thanks for the discussion and glad we got things cleared up.

 

[Rex]

In fairness the latest PPH reduced the stat dose of meto prior to N ingestion from 60mg to 30mg without acknowledging the change at all, I'd presume this is the same for SN and does suggest that the PPH is not quite as reliable as l first thought.

End of life measures are hard to calculate as everyone is different, the PPeH is always updated monthly and should be read monthly and taken from there. It's reliable enough, but yes i agree it's not 100% perfect, nothing is.

 

[Chinaski]

End of life measures are hard to calculate as everyone is different, the PPeH is always updated monthly and should be read monthly and taken from there. It's reliable enough, but yes i agree it's not 100% perfect, nothing is.

I agree on this as a general point, in that there is no fixed, universal route until the fabled 'peaceful pill' emerges, but this latest offering from the October PPH is absolutely unremittingly dreadful and does not reflect well on them imo

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/october-2018-vomiting-chapter.6919/

 

[Rex]

I agree on this as a general point, in that there is no fixed, universal route until the fabled 'peaceful pill' emerges, but this latest offering from the October PPH is absolutely unremittingly dreadful and does not reflect well on them imo

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/october-2018-vomiting-chapter.6919/

Yes i agree the advice changes can be concerning, but if you read month to month and also base it off lots of other successes, you can make an informed decision yourself. I personally will still be taking the 60mg meto 40mins before.

You highlight a good point, which i can see would be worrying for many but the PPeH changes monthly, let's see what the November update has to offer. BTW I'm not saying you're wrong, my main concern when posting in this thread as lack of specific details in hunter_lewis reply, not with the anti emetic regime/stat dose.

Thanks for posting the link, I'll hold my tongue on the vomiting chapter, as I don't know enough apart from previous PPeH editions.

In the end, it's going to come down to specific person and it may end well or not, as everyone is different, advice is just that... we should, take it with a pinch of salt ;)

 

[WayOut]

In fairness the latest PPH reduced the stat dose of meto prior to N ingestion from 60mg to 30mg without acknowledging the change at all, I'd presume this is the same for SN and does suggest that the PPH is not quite as reliable as l first thought.

"Reliable" has a specific meaning in scientific (and legal, for that matter) contexts. The word is not completely applicable to the PPH because a proportion of the content about SN is only "reliable", until it isn't. I don't know at what point you stop and say "this is likely to be true" with the PPH because what it presents as facts, in relation to the lethal salts, has been significantly changed since the first addition of this substance as an end of life option. I think it's fair to refer to it as a work in progress. That's perfectly acceptable, but should be acknowledged as such.