EddieAllenPoe

EddieAllenPoe

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I've tried it and I think it is helpful. It decreased anxiety, allowed my frontal lobes to work better. If you have complex ptsd or ptsd your frontal lobe activity is impaired because the trauma shuts off higher order thinking. So it doesn't develop properly, especially if u were a kid that grew up in a sustained traumatized state in the early years. Basically u end up going through life in survival mode if u came from this environment.

I was one of those kids, unfortunately. I agree it helps with PTSD. I was reading a website the other day about how they teach Mindfulness in DBT (dialectical behavioral therapy) to help people with emotional dysregulation. It seems obvious to me they've adopted this from Buddhism. That's pretty much central to everything they teach. Learning mindfulness and how to be present. I feel pretty lucky to have ran into a book by the Dalai Lama as a kid. It opened me up to a different world and new ways to approach my problems. I used to go through some pretty intense situations growing up. I think learning how to practice things like meditation and mindfulness was part of what helped me get through it.
 
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Wanderer_with_Death

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I was one of those kids, unfortunately. I agree it helps with PTSD. I was reading a website the other day about how they teach Mindfulness in DBT (dialectical behavioral therapy) to help people with emotional dysregulation. It seems obvious to me they've adopted this from Buddhism. That's pretty much central to everything they teach. Learning mindfulness and how to be present. I feel pretty lucky to have ran into a book by the Dalai Lama as a kid. It opened me up to a different world and new ways to approach my problems. I used to go through some pretty intense situations growing up. I think learning how to practice things like meditation and mindfulness was part of what helped me get through it.

Ah nice, you're also into meditation as well. When I read your first post describing what you experienced I was going to suggest how you were practicing "mindfulness/being in the present moment" but you already disclosed it here in this post. I'm glad you have had progress in these techniques and that they could be helpful in your healing.

It's true you are NOT your thoughts and even emotions are temporary waves of the "flow" of energy that is "you." So what you talked about in your initial post is basically "observing your thoughts" in a neutral stance. You're allowing your thoughts to "flow" but you're not allowing them to "stick" or react to them, which ensures that you don't have resistance/more suffering and ensures you are left with more clarity with not trying to obsess over "control/perfectionism".

I suggest the "Tibetan book of living and dying" if you find Buddhism as a resonated teaching. I personally appreciated the Tibetan insight of "connectivity" and "wholeness" that we all are in this corporal existence, and the cultural differences were very insightful as well that I feel may add to you positivity.

Meditation helped my PTSD as well in similar instances with mindfulness and learning how to "separate" myself from my thoughts, to let them be, but not be OF them. Same with my emotions, I have highly intense ones that I allow myself to express, even anger can be a positivity, it can show you where your boundaries are and where your passions reside.

Everything is a perception, it's not inheritently "good or bad" but a matter of how one reacts and perceives, much like how you "reacted" the criticism from weargon earlier in this thread.
 
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I always thought the concept of meditation was silly and pointless, until I figured out I was actually going about it the wrong way. It's more than just sitting and spacing out, It's a total shift in mindset. That being said, I find it very difficult to maintain in a way that's helpful for a sustained period of time. My brain is quite chaotic and nearly impossible to tame.

A little while back, there was a straight month or so where I was successfully meditating and practicing mindfulness while doing mundane tasks. For that period of time I felt at peace for the first time in an extremely long time, and I thought, "What the fuck have I been doing with my life?" It brought into perspective how rushed I always feel, like I'm constantly racing towards a nonexistent goal, and letting my mind wreak on itself. I was actually able to slow down my thoughts, feel pleasurable sensations, appreciate small things that I didn't notice before. I started getting really into Joseph Campbell.

At one point, my mind started to "push" against what I was doing, it was like, "hey buddy this is stupid, why are we doing this when we could be spiralling into chaos and misery per usual?" I fought against it, but it became more and more extreme until everything sorta fell apart. I've since fallen back to old habits and thought patterns, and I'm not really sure how to get back to where I was before. I have small moments of mindfullness, where I'm able to calm my mind and focus on my senses, but they're few and far between.

It's pretty much a huge fucking bummer because I want nothing more than to go back to that month, where I actually felt decent without being manic. I can't seem to slow everything back down.

But anyway, meditation is a great tool if you can utilize it properly. I get the scepticism and ridicule, I've been there. My brain is a fucking disaster, and it still did help me deal with my neuroses for a small period of time.

Sorry if this is disjointed as hell, see previous point: brain is fucked
 
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PatKat

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I stopped meditation last year, but when I did I used guided meditation using the Headspace app. I know it's on Android not sure about iOS.

It helped for a while, but in the end it was just like everything else only temporarily did it work. :/
 
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There's always some good that comes from criticism. Everything I've said is pretty realistic. If you disagree, you're welcome to present your rebuttals. But keep them on point and logical, not vague paragraphs of rants written like pseudo scientific new age crap.
In a world filled with stupidity and spaghetti monster beliefs, that even plagued this forum, I'm glad to hear a sane intelligent and logical individual every now and then. I'm so sick and it makes me angry af that bullshit these people say, I don't even want to rant too much to not break the rules and I'm about to go sleep.

But yeah, I got this dude on ignore for several days already, and others who preach the same bullshit with different ways, it works wonders dude. That way you just don't see their posts and don't waste anger on them. If it wasn't for the ignore function I wouldn't last much here lol. Cheers mate.
 
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WaterUnder

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I've found meditation and mindfulness to be worthy practices. Walking meditation and nightime breathing focus and meditation have been particularly helpful as opposed to mantras or focusing on a flame.

Unfortunately, the name calling and back biting on this post was disturbing. It's simply not necessary to resort to this. Shaming someone for being bipolar on a suicide site? Encouraging someone to CTB? Or saying "I'm kinda glad that kid can read. Props." Or calling them immature? Invoking other members to agree with you to disrespect the other? Seriously?

Sincerely wishing everyone finds their peace in this life, both within themselves and with those around them.
 
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weargon

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In a world filled with stupidity and spaghetti monster beliefs, that even plagued this forum, I'm glad to hear a sane intelligent and logical individual every now and then. I'm so sick and it makes me angry af that bullshit these people say, I don't even want to rant too much to not break the rules and I'm about to go sleep.

But yeah, I got this dude on ignore for several days already, and others who preach the same bullshit with different ways, it works wonders dude. That way you just don't see their posts and don't waste anger on them. If it wasn't for the ignore function I wouldn't last much here lol. Cheers mate.
Haha yeah, that kid is so thick headed, at least we are only annoyed with him in a forum. Imagine all the poor people who have to deal with him in real life. I'm sure he gets to interact with plenty of like minded people in his local youth group though. He might as well just be honest and admit he's here to try to "save" people through the power of Jesus.
It's true you are NOT your thoughts and even emotions are temporary waves of the "flow" of energy that is "you."
Sounds like some Deepak Chopra type bullshit.
I feel pretty lucky to have ran into a book by the Dalai Lama as a kid.
"The planet does not need more 'successful people'. The planet desperately needs more peacemakers, healers, restorers, storytellers, and lovers of all kinds." ~H.H.The Dalai Lama

Funny for someone who makes millions off of his name to be so contradictory. And he's got over 100 books. Quantity over quality. Just like any other self proclaimed self help guru making millions off of suckers.

"The Dalai Lama seeks sympathy by proclaiming that he is "the unluckiest Dalai Lama" because he is not able to live in Tibet. Based on 300 years of the 14 Dalai Lamas, his bad luck is the good luck of the Tibetan people. Their rule was a theological dictatorship complete with a serf-based culture that kept 95% or the population illiterate and in involuntary servitude. Slave sales were the order of the day as was torture and execution for dissenters. Sitting at the head of this abomination was the Dalai Lama, who resided in a sumptuous palace offering the theological rationalization of karma. Karma says we are where we are because of how we lived in a prior life. For the Dalai Lama Karma is easy to believe in when you're the one who was in the palace ruling everyone else in a theological dictatorship."

"None of the Dalai Lama's raised hundreds of millions of dollars benefit Tibetan citizens in the slightest. He gives most of it to unrelated charities, and that's a fine thing; but his only prerogative in Tibet is to get himself back into Power. The rest of the money he raises go to his pet project: metaphysical spirituality. In many ways, he's no different from Deepak Chopra; except that instead of misstating quantum physics, he allows his donors to misperceive his mission. The Dalai Lama is a highly successful self-help and metaphysical author. "

"The Dalai Lama himself was on the CIA's payroll from the late 1950s until 1974, reportedly receiving $US15,000 a month ($US180,000 a year).

The funds were paid to him personally, but he used all or most of them for Tibetan government-in-exile activities, principally to fund offices in New York and Geneva, and to lobby internationally.

Details of the government-in-exile's funding today are far from clear. Structurally, it comprises seven departments and several other special offices. There have also been charitable trusts, a publishing company, hotels in India and Nepal, and a handicrafts distribution company in the US and in Australia, all grouped under the government-in-exile's Department of Finance. The government was involved in running 24 businesses in all, but decided in 2003 that it would withdraw from these because such commercial involvement was not appropriate. Dalai Lama at one time received $500,000 for guerrilla fighters and $400,000 for a training center in America all from the CIA:"

Fuck that guy. He's no different than any other cult leader or self help conman. And you fell for it.
 
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EddieAllenPoe

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Mar 19, 2019
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@weargon Sounds like you've got plenty of excuses to hate people. I've honestly never been helped by anyone who talks like you. The Dalai Lama isn't perfect? Big deal. I'm not surprised. I still have more respect for him then I do for you. What have you done to actually help the world? Go on an anti-religion parade on the internet? Yeah. No thanks. Its obvious to me that you are missing out on a lot of things that are true simply because of your attitude.
In a world filled with stupidity and spaghetti monster beliefs, that even plagued this forum, I'm glad to hear a sane intelligent and logical individual every now and then. I'm so sick and it makes me angry af that bullshit these people say, I don't even want to rant too much to not break the rules and I'm about to go sleep.

You mean you got where you are in life because you think belief in the spaghetti monster is stupid? That actually says a lot to me. I have noticed there are a lot of hardcore atheists on this forum. I can't really judge anyone because I used to be in the same boat. Sometimes I'm confused because I can relate. But being suicidal is a complex issue. I'm definitely seeing a theme though. You actually think you're being sane and logical? That gives me more reasons to pray to invisible noodles in the sky. I never thought I'd see the day I'd admit that one. Is it insane? So be it. I'm happy to be called insane if it helps distance me from your world.
 
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