Has anyone tried DMT to help find hope and meaning?

[rebelsue]

I'm pretty close to just giving up on everything i'm trying to do and dedicating all of my energy toward my suicide.

This has made me think of some last-resort recovery strategies. One thought is DMT.

I've met people who have said DMT really lifted them out of some dark places by giving them a new perspective, a sense of connection to the universe, etc. I'm wondering if this would help me, or if there is a chance I would have a bad, scary experience that would make things worse? I know nobody can predict what will happen to me, but if anyone here has tried DMT and had a bad experience while intending to help themselves, please speak up. Warn me.

If you have had a good experience, also let me know, too -- particularly let me know what your mental state and life circumstances were at the time of trying it.

 

[Sensei]

I have very limited and atypical experience of DMT, so take this for what it is: A horrifying DMT experience with unexpected after effects. It was terrifying, but it made me feel normal afterwards. Notice that I didn't use DMT in pure form, though.

 

[dandan]

I have some DMT in a box someplace around, I told myself I would save some for later.

It's an incredible strong experience.

Did it save my life? No, Testosterone , Dianabol, did. Visiting an endocrinologist later on.

Low testo blood result, and a guy here who has left the site, told me Dianabol was a feel good steroid or anabolic , it is! Plus Testo and excercise, saved my life! 8 months into recovery now, a testo shot once a week although I skipped last week and I was fine.

From my point of view, why not try both before ctbing?

One more thing, I spend 20 years looking for the source of my depression, doctors , medicines, ECT, drugs all kind except intravenous
And I also bought N and keep it in the fridge, 8 months is not entirely a guarantee.
Let me look for that DMT it might have expired after 9 months

 

[Ange_Fatigue]

Well I never get any answer with psychedelics. You may end your trip with more questions than you started it.
It can be useful to experiment that they are non visibles forces and energy all around you and into you, that basically said all in the universe is an Idea. Thoughs and matter could be the same ?? Etc ....etc...

It won t take you by the hand and explain you the purpose of life, nor the sense of your existence.

 

[dandan]

Let me look for that DMT it might have expired after 9 months.
This is DMT , directly from the Toad, I dont know, maybe I should not post it, it's not yet illegal in my country(mexico), well authorities may charge you with something else

After I smoked it, I knew the purpose of my existence was LOVe , but that feeling and knowledge has vanished away, but after many very scared, frightening trips, like seven or eight I finally reached the common experience of love and like that, that was the one last time I smoked it.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I've done a lot of online research of DMT anecdotal accounts and highly suggest doing so before trying it. I made the decision not to because of the numerous very negative experiences. Also based on my research, I would advise not doing it alone but rather with a trusted someone who has experience with DMT.

 

[Ange_Fatigue]

Yes goodpersonneffed is right. Set and setting is important.

 

[Yomyom]

You need to ask yourself one question- are you stable emotionally?
If not, I suggest you to not try Psychedelic drugs.
My experience with dmt was one big crap which I still didn't recover from.
I didn't have any Illusions / Illuminations, for a moment there was nothing absolutely blankness, I was so terrifying from it.

If you still want to try I think you'll find this movie helpful



Especially this part from the movie


Good luck!

 

[rebelsue]

I have some DMT in a box someplace around, I told myself I would save some for later.

It's an incredible strong experience.

Did it save my life? No, Testosterone , Dianabol, did. Visiting an endocrinologist later on.

Low testo blood result, and a guy here who has left the site, told me Dianabol was a feel good steroid or anabolic , it is! Plus Testo and excercise, saved my life! 8 months into recovery now, a testo shot once a week although I skipped last week and I was fine.

From my point of view, why not try both before ctbing?

One more thing, I spend 20 years looking for the source of my depression, doctors , medicines, ECT, drugs all kind except intravenous
And I also bought N and keep it in the fridge, 8 months is not entirely a guarantee.
Let me look for that DMT it might have expired after 9 months

Well I am a woman so i don't think testosterone is an option for me. Glad it helped you though.

 

[LuzurPhagget]

Have you considered shrooms (psilocybin) instead? The general consensus on the net seems to be that it's MUCH milder than DMT. I think it may very well have saved my life (still debating whether that's a good thing or not though! lol).

And I didn't even really go on a trip or see/hear anything. I took a fairly small dose, but I just felt...pleasant. I FELT things again. I gained a better perspective of myself and what I wanted in life etc. Made me feel more or less as good as those antidepressants that took WEEKS to finally kick in (the ones that actually worked, that is). Additionally, I have the type of mind that is naturally prone to anxiety/racing thoughts/ thought loops etc. Weed does this to me, shrooms did this to me, and I'm guessing other psychedelics/hallucinogens would do this to me. So if you go this way, just MAKE SURE you're doing them under the right conditions. That's my 2 cents.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

I've used tons of psychedelics and though DMT throws you somewhat pointless trying to describe in words, images, etc. It didn't alter my perspective that my life is worth continuing. Shrooms and acid ive had great trips on but my fucked up brain decoded the insights into false senses of purpose. Shrooms would definitely lift my overall mood for the following weeks even if your trip is an actual negative one.
The DMT if people experience the same as me I don't believe you "are shown the truth" "oneness" and especially infinite love, I'm downright sick of hearing that expression. Yes there is a concept of love but there is also a concept of suffering, they are all that exist on two sides of a coin. One cannot be experienced without the possibility of the other.
If you want to say that gives your life meaning fine but don't tell me i should see how my intense godforsaken existence was worth it or I've done the drugs wrong not had a breakthrough when I most certainly have seen as much as the best of the damn phsyconauts.
Sorry I am ranting to happy go lucky life lovers in general, not to anyone here I've not even read any posts yet.

 

[dandan]

I've done a lot of online research of DMT anecdotal accounts and highly suggest doing so before trying it. I made the decision not to because of the numerous very negative experiences. Also based on my research, I would advise not doing it alone but rather with a trusted someone who has experience with DMT.

Definitely dong alone the first time NO.
I had AWFUL first three smokes, where the desire to CTB was obvious to the whole group, the facilitator asked me: "you are suffering and thinking about death? Because the only people who pee themselves in my experience are suicidal"

Damm!

Second experience worse!!


But I saw the first group anecdotes, I wanted that and I achieved it after 7, or 8 times.

I've used tons of psychedelics and though DMT throws you somewhat pointless trying to describe in words, images, etc. It didn't alter my perspective that my life is worth continuing. Shrooms and acid ive had great trips on but my fucked up brain decoded the insights into false senses of purpose. Shrooms would definitely lift my overall mood for the following weeks even if your trip is an actual negative one.
The DMT if people experience the same as me I don't believe you "are shown the truth" "oneness" and especially infinite love, I'm downright sick of hearing that expression. Yes there is a concept of love but there is also a concept of suffering, they are all that exist on two sides of a coin. One cannot be experienced without the possibility of the other.
If you want to say that gives your life meaning fine but don't tell me i should see how my intense godforsaken existence was worth it or I've done the drugs wrong not had a breakthrough when I most certainly have seen as much as the best of the damn phsyconauts.
Sorry I am ranting to happy go lucky life lovers in general, not to anyone here I've not even read any posts yet.

Yeah, the infinite LOVE part is true, is bullshit, is nonsense, but after 7, 8 times, I've experienced it ,was amazing!!!!

 

[rebelsue]

I've used tons of psychedelics and though DMT throws you somewhat pointless trying to describe in words, images, etc. It didn't alter my perspective that my life is worth continuing. Shrooms and acid ive had great trips on but my fucked up brain decoded the insights into false senses of purpose. Shrooms would definitely lift my overall mood for the following weeks even if your trip is an actual negative one.
The DMT if people experience the same as me I don't believe you "are shown the truth" "oneness" and especially infinite love, I'm downright sick of hearing that expression. Yes there is a concept of love but there is also a concept of suffering, they are all that exist on two sides of a coin. One cannot be experienced without the possibility of the other.
If you want to say that gives your life meaning fine but don't tell me i should see how my intense godforsaken existence was worth it or I've done the drugs wrong not had a breakthrough when I most certainly have seen as much as the best of the damn phsyconauts.
Sorry I am ranting to happy go lucky life lovers in general, not to anyone here I've not even read any posts yet.

I appreciate your honest perspective. I am not typically a fan of wooey gooey stuff either and I don't believe in magic. Psychedelics to me have always just been a source of an alternate perspective. It shifts your experience of the world so that if you're stuck you might be able to get unstuck long enough to re-evaluate things in a new way. But yeah I appreciate that it does get overstated a lot by the hippie dippie types.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

I appreciate your honest perspective. I am not typically a fan of wooey gooey stuff either and I don't believe in magic. Psychedelics to me have always just been a source of an alternate perspective. It shifts your experience of the world so that if you're stuck you might be able to get unstuck long enough to re-evaluate things in a new way. But yeah I appreciate that it does get overstated a lot by the hippie dippie types.

I maybe wasn't clear in my point...
I do very much believe that bizarre things like 'magic' happen, what we call paranormal, supernatural etc.
And having psychedelic experiences especially DMT fortified all the more in my mind the possibility and even likelihood. But it has not given me a source of hope, quite the opposite... If these things exist which I lean towards the belief they do. Then why is being a human being for some of us such an experience of pure suffering.

Does that make sense? That's what make me despise the 'Hippie Dippie' types who try to cram love down you (uh that sounds bad don't it? Lol)

 

[rebelsue]

I maybe wasn't clear in my point...
I do very much believe that bizarre things like 'magic' happen, what we call paranormal, supernatural etc.
And having psychedelic experiences especially DMT fortified all the more in my mind the possibility and even likelihood. But it has not given me a source of hope, quite the opposite... If these things exist which I lean towards the belief they do. Then why is being a human being for some of us such an experience of pure suffering.

Does that make sense? That's what make me despise the 'Hippie Dippie' types who try to cram love down you (uh that sounds bad don't it? Lol)

I think I get it, yes.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

Yeah, the infinite LOVE part is true, is bullshit, is nonsense, but after 7, 8 times, I've experienced it ,was amazing!!!!

If you are separate to me then you may well be destined for pure everlasting love. But if we are all one and you get to my life or someone even worse off you'll re evaluate that opinion buddy!

 

[dandan]

If you are separate to me then you may well be destined for pure everlasting love. But if we are all one and you get to my life or someone even worse off you'll re evaluate that opinion buddy!

Ive got N in my frige, im a two times failed attempted suicide , overdose, carcrash and nitrogen tank with oven bag, ooh that's a third

My opinion means DMT can give you that feeling, however it wouldn't and didn't last in ctbing frame of mind.
I have found testo and dianabol mixed with excercise, they have kept me off a ctbing frame of mind for 8 months after 20 fucking ugly years of my "young" life. Damm..

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

Ive got N in my frige, im a two times failed attempted suicide , overdose, carcrash and nitrogen tank with oven bag, ooh that's a third

My opinion means DMT can give you that feeling, however it wouldn't and didn't last in ctbing frame of mind.
I have found testo and dianabol mixed with excercise, they have kept me off a ctbing frame of mind for 8 months after 20 fucking ugly years of my "young" life. Damm..

I have pmd you friend as I identify with you on test being an issue.

 

[timf]

There is one way drug use can contribute to hope and meaning. The movie "Lucy" depicted a woman whose drug experience led her to transcend the pettiness and vagaries of life. Detachment is a component of transcendence.

However, the larger issue is the target of where one is going or "transcending to".

Without a destination, detachment can leave one cynical or depressed.

I found LSD, mescaline, and mushrooms to provide interesting excursions, but after a while repeated experiences were just sensory and not so much enlightening. I have not tried DMT specifically but can speak to other hallucinogenic experiences. MDA (now called MDMA I believe) was very pleasant but a little speedy.

My experiences were in the 1970s and I would be hesitant in recommending anything today as substances may be available that are more harmful, adulterated, or even potent than I used. In addition even back then I found many people had very negative experiences because of the mental place they were starting from.

I suggest that if one focuses on a target of truth before embarking on detachment that transcendence can be achieved or at least increasingly approximated over time. For example, in religious circles most have a "package" of doctrines to which they cling. Often this package proves inadequate to help in times of difficulty. Sometimes a desperate situation can drive a person to examine that which has proved to be inadequate. If one steps out of the confines one can explore various teachings to see if something is really true or not. One can retain that which proves useful or true and discard that which was in error.

The search for truth becomes like prospecting for nuggets. Over time one can accumulate that of value which grows to become a foundation in which one can trust.

A couple of warnings should be given for those who seek enlightenment. One can follow a path of deception that feeds off of feelings of superiority, exclusivity, or even delusion. For that reason one's feelings should be constantly examined to insure one is not departing from truth.

Another potential problem (especially for those following a path of meditation) are dark encounters. Some forms of yoga warn of encounters with hostile entities. Regardless if these are demons as, Christians might define them, or simply negative projections of oneself, there can be experiences that are harmful.

One might see a destination of a "higher power" as used by AA as a reference point in a search for truth. Many come to AA after a chemical detachment from a conventional life. After things unravel to a point of intolerance, they often come to see the need to use the AA template as a tool to reconstruct a functioning life.

 

[muffin222]

I've never used DMT, but I have tripped on mushrooms and acid quite a few times over the past few years. It's helped boost my mood and outlook and elevate my consciousness to a certain degree, but the effects always seem to be kind of fleeting. They don't solidify into anything ground-breaking in the long term for me. They're just tools in the tool-box. They have a place, but, in my experience, we tend to revert back to our "baseline" perspectives and perceptions in time.

I've found it more fruitful in the long term to consistently and consciously try to work on shifting that "baseline" level of perception little-by-little everyday through mindfulness, meditation, quiet contemplation, and exercise, all of which help to re-wire our brain over time via neuroplasticity. Regular meditation sessions over time have produced more noticeable gains for me than my trips have, honestly

 

[a.n.kirillov]

No—and why should a hallucinatory experience within the confines of my head change anything about my situation?

My life is shit, I don't even want to be content with the state of affairs in the world today, nor with my personal life.

 

[Yomyom]

I've never used DMT, but I have tripped on mushrooms and acid quite a few times over the past few years. It's helped boost my mood and outlook and elevate my consciousness to a certain degree, but the effects always seem to be kind of fleeting. They don't solidify into anything ground-breaking in the long term for me. They're just tools in the tool-box. They have a place, but, in my experience, we tend to revert back to our "baseline" perspectives and perceptions in time.

I've found it more fruitful in the long term to consistently and consciously try to work on shifting that "baseline" level of perception little-by-little everyday through mindfulness, meditation, quiet contemplation, and exercise, all of which help to re-wire our brain over time via neuroplasticity. Regular meditation sessions over time have produced more noticeable gains for me than my trips have, honestly

I wonder, did you find the mushrooms as a teaching moment with advices?

 

[muffin222]

I wonder, did you find the mushrooms as a teaching moment with advices?

Yes, that's a good way to put it. The mushrooms are like a wise teacher who give me new ideas, advice, and new perspectives that I couldn't have thought of on my own. But, my ability to use the wisdom the mushrooms bring me in a practical way in my regular life depends upon my level of consciousness at the time I take them :)

 

[Yomyom]

Yes, that's a good way to put it. The mushrooms are like a wise teacher who give me new ideas, advice, and new perspectives that I couldn't have thought of on my own. But, my ability to use the wisdom the mushrooms bring me in a practical way in my regular life depends upon my level of consciousness at the time I take them :)

Mushroom is my favorite Psycadelic drug, never used, but from what I heard it's awesome.
I love how terence McKenna describe his experience on the mushroom

 

[Bahbah Blacksheep]

MDA (now called MDMA I believe) was very pleasant but a little speedy.

MDA and MDMA are different compounds. They're similar but MDA is more psychedelic/visual.

I have had a few perspective shifts from psychedelics. The positive effects have never lasted as long as I'd like, but they did change my outlook for a while after using and I'm glad I got to experience them. I definitely see the potential to get a new perspective, worth trying before ctb imo. Even if it doesn't change your mind.