Has anyone thought about bringing themselves to near death and back?

[Pure]

So, it's common knowledge that many people who attempt suicide, instantly regret it, especially in jumps when you have a long time to think about what's happening. Majority of people who survive suicide attempts do not commit suicide later on.

What is it? Is it SI being triggered so strongly that it overcomes whatever suicidality they have or does being that intimately close to death just rewire your brain to make you realize that whatever issues you're facing isn't that deep and you can actually move through life?

I've thought about this for years now, what if I could just induce a state of near death and maybe that's what's needed for me to move on...because obviously the ssris and therapy wasn't doing it. Imagine a service to instantly cure suicidal feelings? Like drown someone until their heart stops then instantly revive them with an AED like the ending scene in Final Destination 2 haha.....

Anyways I think this concept is why I've framed my plans around the fact that I'm not concerned with somebody finding me. Obviously it wouldn't work with something like hanging since it's so lethal and most survivors end up as vegetables before dying but like with SN since in my research, it seems that it takes a longer time die and there's a greater window of time for full recovery if the person is found.

For me, I wanted to call 911 immediately preceding taking SN in a hotel. I'm assuming it'd take max ~30min to get to me ("I want to report a poisoning at [location]"). If I die there or in the hospital, then okay, mission complete, I don't want an underpaid hotel maid being the one to find me but if I don't, maybe that's what was needed to reset my brain so I can be somewhat normal in life?? I have been involuntary committed before but I have never truly tried to kill myself.

Or am I just crazy?

 

[toforigivelife]

Clock is ticking until I'm rendered homeless. I don't have time for a failed attempt. I need to utilize the time and privacy that has been given to me.

If I had the time I'd love to have one of those near death experiences; radiant white light, drowning in a sea of unconditional love. Sounds pleasant.

 

[Pure]

Clock is ticking until I'm rendered homeless. I don't have time for a failed attempt. I need to utilize the time and privacy that has been given to me.

If I had the time I'd love to have one of those near death experiences; radiant white light, drowning in a sea of unconditional love. Sounds pleasant.

are you affected by the eviction moratorium being lifted in the US?

 

[toforigivelife]

are you affected by the eviction moratorium being lifted in the US?

No. I'm affected by other circumstances. Circumstances involving housing. Living in a small town and unable to find a job. Physical health, mental health. Isolation. Abandonment. The indifference of the only people who can help me.

I keep hoping for natural causes due to physical health and would prefer natural causes, but I may have to take matters into my own hands.

 

[Pure]

No. I'm affected by other circumstances. Circumstances involving housing. Living in a small town and unable to find a job. Physical health, mental health. Isolation. Abandonment. The indifference of the only people who can help me.

I keep hoping for natural causes due to physical health and would prefer natural causes, but I may have to take matters into my own hands.

Damn, I'm really sorry you're in this position.

 

[SuicidalAgain]

Personally I find it more likely to commit suicide again because I have tried it before. Isn't that what the statistics say too, or am I mistaken? The only thing I don't want is to survive, be found and go the psychiatric "hotel" again.

 

[Pure]

Personally I find it more likely to commit suicide again because I have tried it before. Isn't that what the statistics say too, or am I mistaken? The only thing I don't want is to survive, be found and go the psychiatric "hotel" again.

So it goes like this, people who attempt suicide are more likely to attempt again in the future than the people who haven't BUT majority of people who attempt don't go on to do it in the first place.

So if person A attempts and survives suicide while person B does not attempt suicide, person A is more likely than person B to attempt again in the future but overall, will likely not.

 

[toforigivelife]

Damn, I'm really sorry you're in this position.

Thanks so much for your concern and your compassion. Really, I appreciate it.

You see those quotes all the times, sometimes a little kindness can make a difference in someone's day. :-)

I'm sorry to bring my problems to you and I'm sorry for the circumstances that have brought you to Sanctioned Suicide.

 

[Pure]

Thanks so much for your concern and your compassion. Really, I appreciate it.

You see those quotes all the times, sometimes a little kindness can make a difference in someone's day. :-)

I'm sorry to bring my problems to you and I'm sorry for the circumstances that have brought you to Sanctioned Suicide.

It's really not a big deal at all <3

I'm on SS mainly due to personal issues but it's so obvious that most people here are driven to suicide because of economic situations like you described with facing homelessness or being a wage slave. I think 90%+ of people's problems are due to the fact the world's a hypercapitalist shithole which, beyond the economic disparity it causes, makes society lose any meaningful connections so you end up with whole swaths of people isolated and lonely because of how our society prioritizes individualism. And it makes me angry. If you have a twitter, you could make a gofundme to help with your situation and share it if you're comfortable with that. There are people who care, it just takes a little bit of work to find them.

 

[toforigivelife]

It's really not a big deal at all <3

I'm on SS mainly due to personal issues but it's so obvious that most people here are driven to suicide because of economic situations like you described with facing homelessness or being a wage slave. I think 90%+ of people's problems are due to the fact the world's a hypercapitalist shithole which, beyond the economic disparity it causes, makes society lose any meaningful connections so you end up with whole swaths of people isolated and lonely because of how our society prioritizes individualism. And it makes me angry. If you have a twitter, you could make a gofundme to help with your situation and share it if you're comfortable with that. There are people who care, it just takes a little bit of work to find them.

Thanks so much for the suggestion and, again, for your concern and support. It means something.

I'm sorry that your personal issues are to the point that they have driven you to be on SS.

You're a nice person. You deserve better and I wish I could provide a better life for you.

 

[greyhound]

It would be pretty cool to be able to induce an NDE and see if dying is really the right way to go. Probably pretty difficult to do 'safely' without some ER doctor friends.

But I think there is also a survivorship bias (literally) to the data that you're looking at. The people that try to commit suicide, regret it, and then are alive years later are by definition the ones who changed their mind about it. All the people who tried, failed, and didn't regret it probably tried again shortly thereafter and succeeded. We just don't hear from them.

 

[Snake of Eden]

I read or heard somewhere that some shamans can induce that NDE state by licking or smoking poisonous substance that coats some amazonian frog. The substance is a form of the psychedelic dmt.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I'm also terrified of having an overwhelming urge to suddenly back out, but it being too late. I'm more scared of this than physical pain. There's no way of knowing how you'll react, unfortunately.

If they could realistically simulate a near death experience this would probably be an effective treatment for depression, until it gets banned after people accidentally start dying during the process lol.

So you went to a hotel to drink SN, but then backed out before you drank it? Did you call 911 anyway and is that why you got committed?

 

[Pure]

I read or heard somewhere that some shamans can induce that NDE state by licking or smoking poisonous substance that coats some amazonian frog. The substance is a form of the psychedelic dmt.

This is the best thing I've heard all day. Do you have more info

 

[Snake of Eden]

This is the best thing I've heard all day. Do you have more info

Google 5-meo-dmt

 

[Pure]

So you went to a hotel to drink SN, but then backed out before you drank it? Did you call 911 anyway and is that why you got committed?

No that's my tentative plan if I still want to off myself.

I got committed when I was 20 because I was about to toss myself off a bridge into a river

 

[greyhound]

Google 5-meo-dmt

I know someone who has been doing this stuff. You can apparently order it from 'research chemical' websites quasi-legally. It sounds pretty intense though so I haven't tried it.

 

[Sisyphus]

No that's my tentative plan if I still want to off myself.

I got committed when I was 20 because I was about to toss myself off a bridge into a river

It's obvious what you are looking for are psychadelic drugs. There has been a ton of evidence lately that what they do is change your perspective by allowing you to experience ego death and see your problems from a totally different angle. Most the people who take heroic doses experience a death like experience.

Psilocybin (mushrooms), DMT, LSD, these are the kind of drugs you want to research. I have been researching this lately as a treatment for depression, and there are many clinical trials going right now around the world that show they work better than traditional antidepressants. I haven't tried them yet but they are decriminalized in some places in my state, and I am thinking about trying them.



That's a good video, and a good book is How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan.

 

[motel rooms]

I did a psychedelic (a slightly modified form of LSD that was legal in Europe at the time) while listening to relaxing music in my dark bedroom. I don't believe in God, but when the drug kicked in I suddenly felt incredibly loved & protected by a force of what I can only call pure love. I felt connected to the entire universe for a couple of hours. I cried & cried tears of gratitude. When the trip was over it was like I was exiled from paradise back into hell, I felt conned & I wanted to kill myself even more than usual. I took this psychedelic about 10 times over a period of 10 months; I never had a bad trip once, in fact each one was incredible, but my depression never lifted. Guess I'm too jaded to become "spiritual".

 

[Pure]

It's obvious what you are looking for are psychadelic drugs. There has been a ton of evidence lately that what they do is change your perspective by allowing you to experience ego death and see your problems from a totally different angle. Most the people who take heroic doses experience a death like experience.

Psilocybin (mushrooms), DMT, LSD, these are the kind of drugs you want to research. I have been researching this lately as a treatment for depression, and there are many clinical trials going right now around the world that show they work better than traditional antidepressants. I haven't tried them yet but they are decriminalized in some places in my state, and I am thinking about trying them.



That's a good video, and a good book is How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan.

Yeah I've picked up that what I need/want are these items. I've begun microdosing psilocybin through tea, I may learn how to grow them too.

But I really want to experience a ceremony in latin america with ayahusca or dmt for this reason since I don't trust myself experimenting with those drugs for the first time.

 

[Sisyphus]

Clock is ticking until I'm rendered homeless. I don't have time for a failed attempt. I need to utilize the time and privacy that has been given to me.

If I had the time I'd love to have one of those near death experiences; radiant white light, drowning in a sea of unconditional love. Sounds pleasant.

I think I remember you saying that you were in the same position as I was. Not trying to be insensitive, but I have to ask a question that has occurred to me.

So what if you are homeless? There are people who have recovered from being homeless. There is help out there. I was homeless once when I was young and got into a shelter. When I recently went to a crisis house for suicidal thoughts, I found people there who were homeless, and they got housing.

I don't know how it works, but being homeless may not have to be the end. If you feel like it has to be, then I understand, because I often feel the same way about my own future possible homelessness.

Yeah I've picked up that what I need/want are these items. I've begun microdosing psilocybin through tea, I may learn how to grow them too.

But I really want to experience a ceremony in latin america with ayahusca or dmt for this reason since I don't trust myself experimenting with those drugs for the first time.

Sounds like you are on the right track. How did you happen to get the mushrooms? I know "a guy" but am a little scared to buy them. I may go to where they are decriminalized.

 

[Pure]

Sounds like you are on the right track. How did you happen to get the mushrooms? I know "a guy" but am a little scared to buy them. I may go to where they are decriminalized.

Etsy lol

r/unclebens for learning how to grow your own

 

[Sisyphus]

Etsy lol

r/unclebens for learning how to grow your own

Nice. I'm in one of the few places where you cannot get the spores. I know quite a bit about growing them at this point.

 

[Pure]

Nice. I'm in one of the few places where you cannot get the spores. I know quite a bit about growing them at this point.

aww thats unfortunate but tbh you go to a nearby state and bring them....that's what people in my state do to get weed from a legal state lol

 

[9BBN]

@financialrhino Here's a few reasons (in no particular order) why survivor group A, who previously attempted suicide, would be more likely to suicide than group B, even though the majority of group A "regrets" their decision:

1. (@greyhound's) suvivorship bias - the people who would not regret suicide are most likely to be successful. We know that suicidal intentions are correlated with fatality (see LostAllHope).
2. "Regret" can mean different things. Some people in A are actually "regretting" their suicide being non-fatal (it's been documented in earlier posts in SS that people in this category were dishonestly labeled as "showing regret"). This is consistent with the observation that many of those in A who "regret" their non-fatal attempt will still go on to attempt suicide later.
3. A lot of people intentionally make non-fatal attempts, much like you who are entertaining the idea of drinking SN while simultaneously calling the police (you are not crazy!). We all want to reduce these. These people are not actually 100% serious about CTB, and it makes sense these people are more likely to survive and show regret for even chancing it. 36.9% of survivors indicated they had low suicidal intent (LostAllHope).
4. A lot of people unintentionally make non-fatal attempts, like impulsive suicides (18%), which are regretted later. We all want to reduce these. Impulsive suicide attempts are most often less-fatal methods that bring people into group A (LostAllHope).
5. Even more people in A would suicide if they could. This is because survivors are restricted access to reliable resources much more systematically by virtue of being higher risk. Also, high-risk survivors are often too disabled to attempt again. The impact here is that the evidence against regret is suppressed by red-taping and sample bias (not the same as survivor bias).
6. Reasons behind suicide don't go away after failed attempt. The best that a failed attempt can do is force a shift in perspective, while certainly damaging the survivor's physical health as a trade-off. Also, we've done many polls on this forum and you'd be surprised to see that suicide over financial problems is not that popular. Suicide is not actually correlated with the poor; particular reasons behind suicide are correlated with the poor (see myths debunked). Suicide is highest in developing countries, with no capitalism correlations among these (see countries ordered by suicide rate).
7. Older people who survive failed suicide may die another way, but still didn't regret it. Older people are more easily killed by external factors, especially if they damaged their own immune system already. A large portion of survivors who don't go on to attempt again are secretly in this category.
8. SI, a strange internal conflict where the survivor may still want to die but their body won't let them. Those in A may show regret because of SI. This one also feeds into #5, because SI reduces the number of those in A that would suicide if they could. In fact, you could imagine SI being harder to overcome in survivors, because they are known to develop PTSD over their failed attempts (LostAllHope).
9. Survivors, being high-risk, are not going to be honest about suicidal intentions on surveys. This is such a huge factor I can't even oversell it. So many people do not share their suicidal intentions, even with their private psychologist (reasons why). Survivors lie to get out of psych wards (here's just a recent post about psych wards). Admitting high intention is asking for long-term coddling. High intention people would not ask for that. Tons of people on SS will attest to this, and it's common sense.

I very much want to believe, like you do, that most survivors regret suicide and don't want to suicide anymore. That would be the 10th possible explanation. However, for these 9 other reasons, I'm not compelled it's accurate. It's just not consistent. I deeply care about this because if we want to reduce suicide, we have to be honest about its causes. I also think that if we treat suicide like something people regret later, mental illness and suicidal ideation will be unfairly dismissed.

Keep in mind that if suicide were decriminalized, we would see % reduction in impulsive suicides and intentionally non-fatal attempts. We would also see more honesty and transparency. Not to mention the human right to die with dignity would be restored, and so much unnecessary suffering would end.

Lastly, I'm sorry for whatever brought you to SS. To be willing to take SN, even with a partial expectation of being saved, must mean you are in a lot of unnecessary pain. I don't recommend even attempting to ctb if you do not want certain death. I sincerely wish you recovery from this "hyper-capitalist shithole" (your term is growing on me).