Discussion Has any of the other sodium chemicals been talked about?

[Circles]

Stupid question cause I'm curious especially since SN is getting harder to get and am wondering about the other sodium chemicals/compounds and if any could result in death. Has there been any research on this topic? Like for example I looked up Sodium Thiosulfate but it's used for against cyanide poisoning and I didn't find anything about it resulting in death.

 

[Interloper]

I'm surprised so few people here seem to have read the PPH.

But yes, azide is another notorious one.

 

[Wrennie]

They mention Sodium Azide a lot. But according to some of the posts I've read on here it's an even worse way to die than via SN.

 

[Circles]

I'm surprised so few people here seem to have read the PPH.

But yes, azide is another notorious one.

I know that one, but sadly it can be explosive. But thanks for the suggestion. My main question is if there's anything else besides SN and Azide and wondering if there's any research on any of the others.

 

[Chiisai]

Typical table salt or soy sauce. Can edema on lungs and brain.

 

[Wrennie]

Typical table salt or soy sauce. Can edema on lungs and brain.

If you're being serious, how much would we need exactly? Lol

 

[Angi]

The poisionous thing about SN is the nitrite, not the sodium. If it was possible to manufacture the nitrite alone (which is not the case), this would be at least as poisonous as SN. Hence, "other sodium chemical" says nothing about its toxicity. This is like saying "other chemical that comes in the same plastic bag as SN". Might be poisonous, might not. Generally, if you want to read about how poisonous stuff is, give wikipedia a go, many many substances have information on their toxicity there.

That said, anything can kill you, under certain circumstances. The mentioned plastic bag might, just like the sodium. Wikipedia says you can kill yourself with table salt, theoretically. If this was reliable at all, it would be mentioned in the PPH, I am sure.

 

[Interloper]

I know that one, but sadly it can be explosive. But thanks for the suggestion. My main question is if there's anything else besides SN and Azide and wondering if there's any research on any of the others.

Besides those 2, there's 2 more mentioned in the inorganic salts chapter of the PPH. Namely, Sodium cyanide and Sodium selenite. (page 192) They show a bunch of books that might have the research you seek.

Edit: nevermind, the books seem to be mostly about nitrite. And it seems that they removed selenite in the november edition (it's still in the march edition)

 

[Circles]

The poisionous thing about SN is the nitrite, not the sodium. If it was possible to manufacture the nitrite alone (which is not the case), this would be at least as poisonous as SN. Hence, "other sodium chemical" says nothing about its toxicity. This is like saying "other chemical that comes in the same plastic bag as SN". Might be poisonous, might not. Generally, if you want to read about how poisonous stuff is, give wikipedia a go, many many substances have information on their toxicity there.

That said, anything can kill you, under certain circumstances. The mentioned plastic bag might, just like the sodium. Wikipedia says you can kill yourself with table salt, theoretically. If this was reliable at all, it would be mentioned in the PPH, I am sure.

Thanks for the correction. Yes like I said it's a stupid question of mine. I was thinking of the substances that are named first sodium and then _______, so I ignorantly assumed.

 

[Crazy4u]

This is a smart question not a stupid question. We need to do more research and expand peaceful ctb methods. There are definitely more poisons available out there that can be used for ctb.

 

[Chiisai]

If you're being serious, how much would we need exactly? Lol

I am. Do a research on soy sauce/table salt deaths and you'll see what I am talking about. Ld50 varies from source to source but it is between 1g to 3g per kg of body weight

I attempted this too when I didnt have my SN yet. I tried the 1g/kg ratio and I mixed 5 tbsp of it in a glass of water as 1tbsp is approximately 17grams of salt. Wasnt able to drink all of it as my tolerance to salty stuff is very low. Throat felt dry and burning. Passed out and suffered severe headache for days afterwards.

 

[Angi]

Thanks for the correction.

I did not mean to correct you! I looove curious questions! Plus, with curious science questions, I can usually point to a path of finding an occasional answer, and more questions: hoorray for wikipedia!
What misled you is effectively Coulomb's law. You cannot have something with negative charge without the same positive charge close by. Nitrite carries a negative charge, same as the chloride in our table salt. It needs a positive partner. The sodium ion is positive. In fact, it is the go-to positive ion if you want to put something into the human body, because there is already a lot of sodium around, so it will likely not screw with whatever your negative ion is supposed to be doing.

While we are talking about other negatively charged ions that might kill you, please be very careful with cyanide and azide. These can be very dangerous for other people, even after you die, and pro-choice definitely means you cannot choose death for other people!