Method hanging questions

[shediedatsea]

Hello! 8 Days until my bus deperature! I'm in the middle of making my final plans regarding my method. I have a pull up bar, which is 1,95m (for reference: I'm 1,57) and a 5m 10mm jute rope on the way, since all the other ropes in my house were too flexible. Is the rope good enough? Is it too thick? It should be able to hold 52kg right? Is it possible for me to do a full suspension on the pull up bar if i make the distance between the noose and anchor point small enough? Is it better to tie the rope around my neck first and then get off the stool or should i slip my head through the noose after i tied it (I would use a slipknot in both cases)? Should i jump or get off the stool slowly? Is it possible to get rid/lessen SI through alcohol before the bus departure?

 

[AreWeWinning]

Hello! 8 Days until my bus deperature! I'm in the middle of making my final plans regarding my method. I have a pull up bar, which is 1,95m (for reference: I'm 1,57) and a 5m 10mm jute rope on the way, since all the other ropes in my house were too flexible. Is the rope good enough? Is it too thick? It should be able to hold 52kg right? Is it possible for me to do a full suspension on the pull up bar if i make the distance between the noose and anchor point small enough? Is it better to tie the rope around my neck first and then get off the stool or should i slip my head through the noose after i tied it (I would use a slipknot in both cases)? Should i jump or get off the stool slowly? Is it possible to get rid/lessen SI through alcohol before the bus departure?

That's a lot of questions. :) Here is what I think.

Height: That height difference might not be enough to do full suspension. The knots and the noose take up some height too. And some additional height is lost at the time of putting on load as well. But doing partial in a standing position can still be good enough.

Rope: A 10 mm jute rope can have a breaking strength of about 400 to 600 kg. The working load capacity is usually the breaking strength divided by 7. Given your weight, that rope should be strong enough. The thickness is fine. It's not too thick.

Tying the noose: It is called the Noose Knot, which should not be confused with the Slip Knot or a Hangman's Noose. The only difference between the Noose Knot and the Slip Knot is which end is the sliding end, but it's an important difference. (Here is a video explaining the difference.) You can tie it around your neck first, but that can be risky and trickier to do. I would tie the knots first, and prepare the setup fully before using it.

Also, don't forget to add a stopper knot to the Noose Knot. (Btw, a Noose Knot with a stopper knot can also be called an Arbor Knot.) See these videos: Video 1, Video 2.

Stepping off: This is just my subjective opinion. Speaking for myself, I plan to lean into the noose first to pretension it, but then I want to apply full force by kicking the support away. I don't want to jump, but I want to apply full pressure quickly and decisively. Based on experimenting with passing out, being too careful and doing it slowly doesn't work well.

Alcohol: I'm not sure about this. T. Joiner, a suicide researcher, says that the majority of people are sober during their attempt. But I've also seen research stating that alcohol use is much more common prior to an attempt. Personally, I plan to be fully sober, out of principle. That said, I imagine a little bit of alcohol might help. I would definitely not get drunk, because that can lead to making errors.

(EDIT: Added links to videos.)

 

[zardoz]

If I remember correctly there's a section on hanging in the PPH?
As I understand it there are two basic types of hanging; The full length "long drop" method that is usually done on gallows (where the floor trap door opens below), as used in formal execution methods by the authorities. The official drop length is based on weight, but typically about 5 feet. The UK published weight/drop charts a long time ago (the UK executed criminals by hanging up until the mid 1960's. Many countries still do). Singapore still uses these same charts apparently.
The idea of the drop method is that it breaks the neck instantly and so death is then pain free, ultimately from suffocation (which can be many minutes later).
The drop will add a LOT more effective weight to the anchor point the rope is attached to. I doubt a pull-up bar would hold (and likely not be at the required drop height).
Suggestions in the literature are to do a test run with a suitable load first. Last thing you want is the rope snapping after breaking your neck, and then surviving.
The other method is the short hang, where there is no long drop. It sounds like this is the method you are describing. Death is caused by asphyxiation only, effectively strangulation. This can take a long time. Not instant, and not peaceful. Sounds horrific to me, but that's just my opinion. But once tight the noose is almost impossible to struggle out of, so ultimately you suffocate.
In both cases, the noose is a slip knot which tightens one way only when pulled, and also yanks up and to the side and snaps the neck in a long drop. Apparently positioning around the neck is important in the long drop method. Rope should be about 1.5 inches thick if I remember correctly, and to put a thin towel inside against the neck to allow the rope to slip tight without ripping the neck too badly.
No running jumps forward (lessens the drop force), straight down.
(I think I read the section on it in the PPH a while ago. There's quite a bit of info online).
Personally, I did consider the long drop method. But fraught with problems; what would you use as the anchor? A tree? A girder/beam in a building structure? How do you secure the rope that high up? and get at least 5 feet up there? how do you do all this without anyone seeing and intervening? If I could set it all up though, long drop does sound appealing. There's a reason it was/still is the official execution method for centuries the world over. But ultimately not for me. I'd need to be very very drunk, then perhaps.
I don't mean to spoil things, I'm not trying to, hope everything works out for you whatever you decide.

 

[shediedatsea]

If I remember correctly there's a section on hanging in the PPH?
As I understand it there are two basic types of hanging; The full length "long drop" method that is usually done on gallows (where the floor trap door opens below), as used in formal execution methods by the authorities. The official drop length is based on weight, but typically about 5 feet. The UK published weight/drop charts a long time ago (the UK executed criminals by hanging up until the mid 1960's. Many countries still do). Singapore still uses these same charts apparently.
The idea of the drop method is that it breaks the neck instantly and so death is then pain free, ultimately from suffocation (which can be many minutes later).
The drop will add a LOT more effective weight to the anchor point the rope is attached to. I doubt a pull-up bar would hold (and likely not be at the required drop height).
Suggestions in the literature are to do a test run with a suitable load first. Last thing you want is the rope snapping after breaking your neck, and then surviving.
The other method is the short hang, where there is no long drop. It sounds like this is the method you are describing. Death is caused by asphyxiation only, effectively strangulation. This can take a long time. Not instant, and not peaceful. Sounds horrific to me, but that's just my opinion. But once tight the noose is almost impossible to struggle out of, so ultimately you suffocate.
In both cases, the noose is a slip knot which tightens one way only when pulled, and also yanks up and to the side and snaps the neck in a long drop. Apparently positioning around the neck is important in the long drop method. Rope should be about 1.5 inches thick if I remember correctly, and to put a thin towel inside against the neck to allow the rope to slip tight without ripping the neck too badly.
No running jumps forward (lessens the drop force), straight down.
(I think I read the section on it in the PPH a while ago. There's quite a bit of info online).
Personally, I did consider the long drop method. But fraught with problems; what would you use as the anchor? A tree? A girder/beam in a building structure? How do you secure the rope that high up? and get at least 5 feet up there? how do you do all this without anyone seeing and intervening? If I could set it all up though, long drop does sound appealing. There's a reason it was/still is the official execution method for centuries the world over. But ultimately not for me. I'd need to be very very drunk, then perhaps.
I don't mean to spoil things, I'm not trying to, hope everything works out for you whatever you decide.

I think you're mixing things up here. I wasn't talking about long drop hanging. I was talking about full suspension hanging. A drop suspension would be impossible with a pull up bar

 

[zardoz]

I think you're mixing things up here. I wasn't talking about long drop hanging. I was talking about full suspension hanging. A drop suspension would be impossible with a pull up bar

Sure. I meant the second method I described which I labelled the "short drop" method is what you were describing.
Sorry I haven't heard the term "full suspension" before. I assumed it was the same as the short (no) drop.

 

[AreWeWinning]

The other method is the short hang, where there is no long drop. It sounds like this is the method you are describing. Death is caused by asphyxiation only, effectively strangulation. This can take a long time. Not instant, and not peaceful. Sounds horrific to me, but that's just my opinion. But once tight the noose is almost impossible to struggle out of, so ultimately you suffocate.

You might not have researched it as much as I have, so it's understandable why you might think this, but this is incorrect. Death is not caused by strangulation/asphyxiation. It is caused by cutting off blood flow to the brain.

Also, suspension hanging is a fully valid term. It is used for any type of hanging that is not a long-drop (or in other words judicial) hanging. It can be partial or full suspension. Both qualify as suspension hanging.

In both cases, the noose is a slip knot which tightens one way only when pulled, and also yanks up and to the side and snaps the neck in a long drop.

As far as I know, the Hangman's Noose was used for long-drop (or judicial) hangings, and not the Noose Knot.

Also, it's called the Noose Knot and not Slip Knot. See this video for what the difference is.