DepressedAngel

DepressedAngel

Life is exhausting
Dec 4, 2019
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@Tearygirl and I became very close before she decided to ctb. Ever since she did, I feel like it is my fault she left this world, and that I could have prevented it. She was one of the sweetest girls I have ever met and I wish the world had been kinder to her, and that I could have been able to stop it. Logically I know it was her choice completely, and it was not my job to stop her. I just struggle so much with these guilty feelings. Does anyone feel the same as so many members leave?
 
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MysticPerception

MysticPerception

I'm back and I'll still smile for you
Dec 31, 2019
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I understand the feeling myself. Maybe empathy is just getting the better of me but it hurts watching all of these people go even if I didn't know them personally. I know they're like minded people and I know they've suffered so on one hand I'm happy for them but on the other hand just sitting by while a kindred spirit destroys themselves is really painful for me. I want to reach out and pull them up and help them in any way I can but I feel I have no right when I want to ctb just as much as them. The only advice I can give is hold onto the hope that once you pass you'll see her again.
 
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DepressedAngel

DepressedAngel

Life is exhausting
Dec 4, 2019
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I understand the feeling myself. Maybe empathy is just getting the better of me but it hurts watching all of these people go even if I didn't know them personally. I know they're like minded people and I know they've suffered so on one hand I'm happy for them but on the other hand just sitting by while a kindred spirit destroys themselves is really painful for me. I want to reach out and pull them up and help them in any way I can but I feel I have no right when I want to ctb just as much as them. The only advice I can give is hold onto the hope that once you pass you'll see her again.
That's is exactly how I feel feel. I'm sorry you are hurting :(
 
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EmptyArms

EmptyArms

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Dec 1, 2019
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I really dont think she would have thanked you for stopping her, even if you could.
 
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MysticPerception

MysticPerception

I'm back and I'll still smile for you
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That's is exactly how I feel feel. I'm sorry you are hurting :(
It's alright I'm dealing with it as it comes. But boy a lot of them left at once and it feels like I got knocked down by a tidal wave right after entering the room since I just got here.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

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@Tearygirl and I became very close before she decided to ctb. Ever since she did, I feel like it is my fault she left this world, and that I could have prevented it. She was one of the sweetest girls I have ever met and I wish the world had been kinder to her, and that I could have been able to stop it. Logically I know it was her choice completely, and it was not my job to stop her. I just struggle so much with these guilty feelings. Does anyone feel the same as so many members leave?
It isn't your fault and you couldn't have stopped it. The pain gets so great for the person, that love and friendship doesn't matter.

You gave Teary the greatest gift you could have given her. She left this world knowing you cared about her. You are talking about her now... so her life mattered. There is nothing more important. :)
 
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APharmaDestroyedLife

APharmaDestroyedLife

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Nov 4, 2019
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Oh please do not feel that way, Survivors guilt is a hard thing to live with. In the end you gave her a friend , support, and compassion. You could have very well been the bright spot at the end of her life.

When someone is suicidal, there is nothing anyone can do or say to change that. Even if you had her real world contact info, all you would have done is hurt her if you had called her family or the police.

Trust me there is nothing you can do for someone in the end. Once a person has made the choice it is their choice, and you can not influence that choice.

Be proud of yourself, you gave her friendship in the end.
 
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DepressedAngel

DepressedAngel

Life is exhausting
Dec 4, 2019
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It isn't your fault and you couldn't have stopped it. The pain gets so great for the person, that love and friendship doesn't matter.

You gave Teary the greatest gift you could have given her. She left this world knowing you cared about her. You are talking about her now... so her life mattered. There is nothing more important. :)
I love you for saying that. Thank you.
Oh please do not feel that way, Survivors guilt is a hard thing to live with. In the end you gave her a friend , support, and compassion. You could have very well been the bright spot at the end of her life.

When someone is suicidal, there is nothing anyone can do or say to change that. Even if you had her real world contact info, all you would have done is hurt her if you had called her family of the police.

Trust me there is nothing you can do for someone in the end. Once a person has made the choice it is their choice, and you can not influence that choice.

Be proud of yourself, you gave her friendship in the end.
❤️
 
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Empty Smile

Empty Smile

The final Bell has rung. Goodbye to all.
Jul 13, 2018
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I've already lost a few friends I've met here who have went to the other side.

I've said it before, and once again...

"Time heals all pain." is the biggest lie ever told.
 
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realjunes

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DepressedAngel,
I have concluded, with no training whatsoever in psychology, that SSrs are, for the most part natural Empaths, destined to absorb the pain and suffering of others, even if they don't want to. It is part of your nature, you cannot help. It makes you and other Empaths splendid and highly compassionate people, but adds to your already heavy burdens. Afraid you will live with it, but you are splendid to feel as you do, and I have no doubt TearyGirl would agree.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

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DepressedAngel,
I have concluded, with no training whatsoever in psychology, that SSrs are, for the most part natural Empaths, destined to absorb the pain and suffering of others, even if they don't want to. It is part of your nature, you cannot help. It makes you and other Empaths splendid and highly compassionate people, but adds to your already heavy burdens. Afraid you will live with it, but you are splendid to feel as you do, and I have no doubt TearyGirl would agree.
That's my partner in crime. :heart:
 
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DepressedAngel

DepressedAngel

Life is exhausting
Dec 4, 2019
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DepressedAngel,
I have concluded, with no training whatsoever in psychology, that SSrs are, for the most part natural Empaths, destined to absorb the pain and suffering of others, even if they don't want to. It is part of your nature, you cannot help. It makes you and other Empaths splendid and highly compassionate people, but adds to your already heavy burdens. Afraid you will live with it, but you are splendid to feel as you do, and I have no doubt TearyGirl would agree.
I agree with that, I just miss her so much, it makes it really hard. Is there a chance she is still alive and will come back to me maybe?
 
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realjunes

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She lives in your heart right now, doesn't she? :heart:
 
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Secrets1

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DepressedAngel,
I have concluded, with no training whatsoever in psychology, that SSrs are, for the most part natural Empaths, destined to absorb the pain and suffering of others, even if they don't want to. It is part of your nature, you cannot help. It makes you and other Empaths splendid and highly compassionate people, but adds to your already heavy burdens. Afraid you will live with it, but you are splendid to feel as you do, and I have no doubt TearyGirl would agree.

If SSrs took care of themselves as much as they tried to take care of others i think a lot would not be here
 
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DepressedAngel

DepressedAngel

Life is exhausting
Dec 4, 2019
146
If SSrs took care of themselves as much as they tried to take care of others i think a lot would not be here
That's so true. I wish it was as easy to take care of ourselves as of others :(
 
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Mm80

Mm80

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May 15, 2019
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The fact that you feel guilty shows that you are a nice person and care and your friendship would surely have made her last weeks/months on this planet more comfortable. I find ss almost a bittersweet thing as you meet some of the loveliest people you ever will, but often for the shortest time. X
 
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Daniela

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I begged one user not to go through with it and I have guilt over perturbing her last moments, when she was quite serene and peaceful. I find users departing quite devastating. I feel funny I will never be able to share this with anyone. Technically I want to ctb and I'm prevented only by raw SI, but I know I can never share "I saw someone announce their suicide on a message board and I'm devastated" with anybody ever.
I don't feel bad about not preventing it. That's hubris - thinking you can stop the suicidal, as if they'd make an exception just for your sake. That might be my depression talking. But people with small children commit suicide - not even that can hold some back.
 
Sensei

Sensei

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Nov 4, 2019
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I know exactly what you mean. To be frank, this is the price we have to pay for frequenting this forum. I sometimes wonder if it would be better to have two separate forums: one for those who are undecided and one for those who are dead set on dying.
 
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Thereisnothing

Thereisnothing

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Jan 4, 2020
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I know exactly what you mean. To be frank, this is the price we have to pay for frequenting this forum. I sometimes wonder if it would be better to have two separate forums: one for those who are undecided and one for those who are dead set on dying.
@Sensei You have a good point there. I dont wish for anyone here to actually CTB because thats how I am. Some would say how wrong I was cos its peoples choice to do it, yes course it is and up to them, yet its one more life gone that for whatever reason needn't have been. I do find it hard and the twp separate forums idea is good. Although in a way its helpful to have a mix here as that can help better sometimes in decisions and support, sometimes when you think you have no option BUT to CTB and you are all geared up to do it, its helpful to have reassurances in differing ways. I know personally I dont wish to be here living, yet am very unsure I would actually take my life for many reasons. Its a hard one. I sometimes think this place can be very dark in what is spoken about and discussed-which is only natural and to be expected, but maybe a little lightness would lift a little, just my thought.
I agree with that, I just miss her so much, it makes it really hard. Is there a chance she is still alive and will come back to me maybe?
Just wondering, I know we have had several partings recently, do we know for sure they have actually gone? I know their name is crossed out but if this is an anonymous place, how do we know and get proof that they have gone. Are there people on here who know them in 'real life' to confirm the have passed? Its just something which came to me. I mean I could say I am CTB tonight and cross my name out, but how would anyone here know if I had or not if noone knew my real name or address etc.
 
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CookieBandit

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Jan 6, 2020
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This feeling of guilt can be really overwhelming. Please know that you couldn't have stopped her. Even if you could have talked her out of it at that moment, she probably would have done it later. And in no way this is your fault! Some suffering is not to be healed, some people can not be saved. As others said, remember the good times you had with her - nobody can take them away from you. Treasure the memories in your heart, in this way you will alway have her with you.
I understand the feeling of hope she might be alive. I had this hope, even when I stood infront of the people's graves. Some people say this is a normal reaction in the grieving process, I don't know much about it but may be it's true.
I wish you (and everyone else grieving over a loss) a lot of strength, this is really hard. <3
 
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DepressedAngel

DepressedAngel

Life is exhausting
Dec 4, 2019
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This feeling of guilt can be really overwhelming. Please know that you couldn't have stopped her. Even if you could have talked her out of it at that moment, she probably would have done it later. And in no way this is your fault! Some suffering is not to be healed, some people can not be saved. As others said, remember the good times you had with her - nobody can take them away from you. Treasure the memories in your heart, in this way you will alway have her with you.
I understand the feeling of hope she might be alive. I had this hope, even when I stood infront of the people's graves. Some people say this is a normal reaction in the grieving process, I don't know much about it but may be it's true.
I wish you (and everyone else grieving over a loss) a lot of strength, this is really hard. <3
Thank you @CookieBandit❤️
 
BPD Barbie

BPD Barbie

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Dec 1, 2019
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I felt similar with @6ixxy except every fibre wanted to beg him not to but I didn't, because it wasn't what he wanted. I feel guilt for not being with him like we planned, for him going without me etc. It's a weird feeling being left behind. But they do live on in our hearts and minds and on places like this. They aren't ever forgotten.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

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I felt similar with @6ixxy except every fibre wanted to beg him not to but I didn't, because it wasn't what he wanted. I feel guilt for not being with him like we planned, for him going without me etc. It's a weird feeling being left behind. But they do live on in our hearts and minds and on places like this. They aren't ever forgotten.
Nicely stated. :heart:
 
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I feel the same about BPD_LE. Guilt and grief and conflicting emotions. I was there for her at the end and I know she must have felt loved from all the responses to her farewell thread. People have reached out to me for which I'm so grateful and I'm trying to accept and understand, but its so tough. I think you do your friend an honour by feeling such things. It means you care and she was lucky to have you.
 
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I feel the same about BPD_LE. Guilt and grief and conflicting emotions. I was there for her at the end and I know she must have felt loved from all the responses to her farewell thread. People have reached out to me for which I'm so grateful and I'm trying to accept and understand, but its so tough. I think you do your friend an honour by feeling such things. It means you care and she was lucky to have you.
No guilt. When Stan CTB, she wanted to go immediately after he left. She hung around a little bit longer. :)
 
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Ame

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I'm so sorry that you are hurting as much as you are @DepressedAngel, it's evident that Tearygirl meant a great deal to you - and I suspect that she will to continue to hold a special place in your heart for as long as you are living. While what happened isn't your fault, I think it is natural to feel guilty. Perhaps one of the most difficult lessons in life to accept, is that there is no way for us to accurately predict the course one may take at any given point in time, nor can we control the actions of others. We may manipulate, encourage and coerce, but in the end the choice lies with the other. A lot of pain comes from expecting a certain outcome and believing that if we do something just right, then we will have the outcome we desire. But in some cases, this simply isn't so and it hurts. It really does.

I don't know if I will ever fully accept this fact for myself.

One of the first members I connected with on this forum has since CTB. She was a bright and remarkable young woman, but sadly she was blind to the light that was seen so clearly by others. Had circumstances been different, I would have loved to have had the opportunity to one day become friends. In a week, it will have been ~2 months, and even now there is this nagging ache that comes up whenever I see one of her old threads pop up in the "similar threads" section. I have no idea what she even looks like, but I play out what I imagine are her last moments in my head over and over. I can only hope that her last moments were peaceful and that in the end, even if it was just a farewell gift from the mind, that she was able to see her mother waiting to greet her.

It was so hard that I admit that I've tried to pull back a bit from people here. I don't want to become too attached though I find myself failing terribly and as presumptuous as it would be for me to make this assumption, I fear that there might be those who finds themselves caring for me too and I am so sorry. For this reason, I sometimes think about forgoing making a "Goodbye" thread, but then I wonder: would leaving the station without so much as a word be even more cruel? I don't know.

As terrible as it is, I don't reply to Goodbye threads anymore - at the most, if I catch them in time, I might send them a message in private - because I never know what to say and honestly sometimes it hurts so much that I worry about being able to hold myself together for them. Even though I really don't want anyone to die I cannot attempt to force them to behave as I would like...not in their last moments, it's not about me after all.

But enough about that. Please take good care of you @DepressedAngel and mourn for as long as you need. It won't be easy but I hope that you can at least be kind to yourself in these difficult times. It's okay to cry and to feel hurt because you've lost someone dear. There is never any shame in feeling what you feel.
 
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No guilt. When Stan CTB, she wanted to go immediately after he left. She hung around a little bit longer. :)
Losing Stan hit her hard, he was like a father figure to her.
Unfortunately the funny thing with guilt is that you can find reasons not to feel it but still feel it anyway. Kind of like when someone tells you not to worry but ofc you do anyway.
The mind may reason but the heart is a big dumb emotional animal. Well, at least mine is.
 
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