Resource Government Funded Suicide Coming Soon (For Canadians)

[Spectre]

If I am not mistaken, I just read something that Canada is rethinking this. They showed the statistics and felt too many people were accessing maid and now are very hesitant to take this next step. I apologize, I can't remember where I saw this but it was recent. I am not Canadian so I didn't save it.

Doesn't matter the courts say it must go forwards

 

[Raindancer]

I hope that's not the case. I'm not seeing anything on their website about it yet.

Doesn't matter the courts say it must go forwards

OK, I have no idea how official it was. I didn't look at where it had come from.

 

[Abyssal]

While I stand by allowing such peaceful deaths, I also feel that this is Canada's way of solving problems for cheap. I mean, I find it hard to believe that it got this far out of the kindness of the hearts, seems like an ulterior motive. Doesn't matter to me, though. I want to die anyways.

 

[LetMeBeSad]

While I stand by allowing such peaceful deaths, I also feel that this is Canada's way of solving problems for cheap. I mean, I find it hard to believe that it got this far out of the kindness of the hearts, seems like an ulterior motive. Doesn't matter to me, though. I want to die anyways.

I don't know about that. I'll wait and see if they also provide funding for any requirements they might have. Like demanding we try methods of therapy or medications we have never tried.

A good EMDR trained therapist in my area goes for $180 - $250 /per hour. That's obviously only one method too. How many different treatment modalities and drug combos must I be subjected to before I'm considered untreatable. And how do I pay for all of this? There's a lot to worry about here.

Some elements of the government might look at this as a way to shed some weight though. CAMH out of Toronto posed the same questions I did above. It's obvious that the poorer segments of society will account for most of the applications.

 

[jackrussell023]

I could spend a nice week or two in Switzerland and then CTB if it's that easy.

What's the Switzerland rules? Could be promising.

 

[Abyssal]

I don't know about that. I'll wait and see if they also provide funding for any requirements they might have. Like demanding we try methods of therapy or medications we have never tried.

Yeah, can't wait to see more. I hope I'm wrong about my skepticism, but it feels odd trusting the same people that keep me from the financial status required to seek full treatment. Sorry for the pessimism, but I wouldn't get my hopes too high.

 

[LetMeBeSad]

Yeah, can't wait to see more. I hope I'm wrong about my skepticism, but it feels odd trusting the same people that keep me from the financial status required to seek full treatment. Sorry for the pessimism, but I wouldn't get my hopes too high.

No apology necessary. I share your skepticism, and pessimism. This is definitely plan A if things go right. But it's definitely not my only basket.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I don't know about that. I'll wait and see if they also provide funding for any requirements they might have. Like demanding we try methods of therapy or medications we have never tried.

A good EMDR trained therapist in my area goes for $180 - $250 /per hour. That's obviously only one method too. How many different treatment modalities and drug combos must I be subjected to before I'm considered untreatable. And how do I pay for all of this? There's a lot to worry about here.

Some elements of the government might look at this as a way to shed some weight though. CAMH out of Toronto posed the same questions I did above. It's obvious that the poorer segments of society will account for most of the applications.

Psychiatrists: we don't want people to CTB! Try this, this, and this!
Also psychiatrists: cash or credit?

 

[jujujabebe]

Maybe if suicide becomes an accessible solution and enough people utilize government-approved options, perhaps they'll try to actually get to the root of the problem and fix it, instead of trying to fix "people." We are not broken, the system is.

 

[unfixable]

MAID in Canada for non terminal illnesses essentially doesn't exist, and it certainly won't exist for those with mental illnesses legal or not. The wait list for non terminal was 2 years last I checked and closed and no longer accepting new patients.

They expect you to call everyday to see if the list is open again, at which at best case will still be 2 years. Sickening. This is in a city with one of the highest number of healthcare facilities and doctors in the country. Elsewhere I can only imagine access to MAID would be even more non-existent.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

While I stand by allowing such peaceful deaths, I also feel that this is Canada's way of solving problems for cheap. I mean, I find it hard to believe that it got this far out of the kindness of the hearts, seems like an ulterior motive. Doesn't matter to me, though. I want to die anyways.

It absolutely is our way of solving problems for cheap. There are definitely cases where people were failed because of the faulty systems in place and are irrecoverable. Probably only a proportion of those on this forum, whereas a proportion are probably fully recoverable but will die anyways.

Who is who is impossible for me to tell but I'm absolutely certain MAID laws are too strict in the current format here in Canada. I've had clients in my line of work whose sole illness was mental illness that I was certain MAID would be the best option for them.

While we wait for political systems, cultures, parents, etc. to collecticely grow up, the least we can do is put people whose physical or mental health is destroyed beyond repair out of their misery.

One day we won't need MAID for preventable illnesses. But currently we absolutely do. Anyone who dies by MAID due to a preventable illness is just a testament to what we need to change, and I hope more people start to include a written letter (honest, not angry) about what we need to change in society for people to be truly free.

I'm actually beginning to think that despite my illnesses, it's not all that bad (for me) and I may consider recovery. Or at least exhaust a few more options.

But I absolutely believe in MAID for those who have it worse than me. Or perhaps for people like myself who have exhausted all options (meds, psychedelic treatments, becoming a damn Buddhist monk and praying that I live (this is next up for me if the meds don't work)).

 

[Grumble]

MAID in Canada for non terminal illnesses essentially doesn't exist, and it certainly won't exist for those with mental illnesses legal or not. The wait list for non terminal was 2 years last I checked and closed and no longer accepting new patients.

They expect you to call everyday to see if the list is open again, at which at best case will still be 2 years. Sickening. This is in a city with one of the highest number of healthcare facilities and doctors in the country. Elsewhere I can only imagine access to MAID would be even more non-existent.

Can you elaborate on this, or link to a source that does? All I can get out of Google are articles about legislative delays and debates.

This is an aspect to MAID that I hadn't even considered. This is a scary thought, to be facing a wait list for MAID, of all things.

 

[baabbaabbaab]

Can you elaborate on this, or link to a source that does? All I can get out of Google are articles about legislative delays and debates.

This is an aspect to MAID that I hadn't even considered. This is a scary thought, to be facing a wait list for MAID, of all things.

Could it be that not everything is properly set up as of now ? And once the legislative stuff is in order the delay will be more reasonable ?

 

[jbear824]

This is the dream. Canada doing things right in this regard.

 

[Grumble]

Could it be that not everything is properly set up as of now ? And once the legislative stuff is in order the delay will be more reasonable ?

I don't know, but the idea of MAID being wait-listed actually does make sense from a practical point of view.

As the law is written (if I recall), if a patient requests a MAID assessment, their doctor is legally obligated to refer the patient for an assessment. Doctors don't have to participate in the MAID process, but they have an obligation to make referrals.

I think it's only a minority of psychiatrists who are in support of MAID. Further to that, just because a psychiatrist supports MAID for the mentally ill doesn't mean they'll want to actually participate in the process.

Is the number of psychiatrists who are willing to participate in MAID going to be able to handle the demand from patients, while still maintaining reasonable waiting times for all involved? I haven't seen any information about this or anyone even allude to this issue at all until I saw this comment here. I'd like to hear what the government and medical experts have to say about it.

 

[baabbaabbaab]

I think it's only a minority of psychiatrists who are in support of MAID. Further to that, just because a psychiatrist supports MAID for the mentally ill doesn't mean they'll want to actually participate in the process.

Is the number of psychiatrists who are willing to participate in MAID going to be able to handle the demand from patients, while still maintaining reasonable waiting times for all involved? I haven't seen any information about this or anyone even allude to this issue at all until I saw this comment here. I'd like to hear what the government and medical experts have to say about it.

Yeah, I was thinking about this too.

 

[Spectre]

I don't know, but the idea of MAID being wait-listed actually does make sense from a practical point of view.

As the law is written (if I recall), if a patient requests a MAID assessment, their doctor is legally obligated to refer the patient for an assessment. Doctors don't have to participate in the MAID process, but they have an obligation to make referrals.

I think it's only a minority of psychiatrists who are in support of MAID. Further to that, just because a psychiatrist supports MAID for the mentally ill doesn't mean they'll want to actually participate in the process.

Is the number of psychiatrists who are willing to participate in MAID going to be able to handle the demand from patients, while still maintaining reasonable waiting times for all involved? I haven't seen any information about this or anyone even allude to this issue at all until I saw this comment here. I'd like to hear what the government and medical experts have to say about it.

it's probably going to be a rat race. trying to find a psychiatrist to certify one for MAID. They'll all probably have crazy long waitlists. Some may try to skip out on the Canada health Act and charge privately to skip the line.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

I wonder how many people will actually be eligible, however. I'm sure only the most severe mental illness cases will be considered and a physician will have to do a thorough assessment.

I can only imagine it will be a convoluted process like the countries where it's already legal, with a lot of red tape to go through:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3070710/

I highly doubt one would be able to walk into a place like a fast food restaurant and order euthanasia like a combo meal. "I'll have lethal injection special with a large cyanide for the drink." Although thatwould be nice.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

I can only imagine it will be a convoluted process like the countries where it's already legal, with a lot of red tape to go through:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3070710/

I highly doubt one would be able to walk into a place like a fast food restaurant and order euthanasia like a combo meal. "I'll have lethal injection special with a large cyanide for the drink." Although thatwould be nice.

Interesting study. It seems they need to simultaneously increase access while tightening safeguards such as obtaining informed consent.

One will hopefully follow from the other. I hope it's made more accessible soon. I've met a lot of people who I am confident would benefit from MAID.

And others who are probably dying prematurely but don't have access to person-centered resources for deliberating the issue because a lot of this work happens underground where there is a fundamental lack of resources and capacity.

Too many people are falling through the cracks. Suicide prohibition & stigma is a massive driver of this on either side of the fence. Bottom-up peer-led services are bound to have gaps but it's the best we have right now until people sort out regulated systems that don't force people into hiding.

 

[joshua9119]

On March 17 2024 Canadians can enter a 90 day wait list for medically assisted suicide where the only reason is mental illness. Is anyone else thinking of waiting it out until Medicaid suicide is available? The date is just so far away and I want to go now but I also have such a strong SI and physical pain intolerance. I know a MAID injection isn't guaranteed but it sounds alot more assured than most methods and at the very least maybe my organs can be donated to someone who needs them afterwards?

https://www.canada.ca/en/department...mental-illness-extended-to-march-17-2024.URL]

http://[B]My concern about maids is...e after death, even if I am against it...[/B]

 

[depthss]

I'm so excited for this to be available, if I'm able to access it this is probably how I'll CTB, this is a great thing for us. I hope people in other countries will get something similar soon

 

[Azraelia]

Maybe if suicide becomes an accessible solution and enough people utilize government-approved options, perhaps they'll try to actually get to the root of the problem and fix it, instead of trying to fix "people." We are not broken, the system is.

Sooo trueee. This reminds of a line from the song "pills" by Greg Guevara; "Am I sick, or is the world sick? Or are we both sick, and I'm just the wrong kind of sick to exist?"

 

[Spectre]

Sooo trueee. This reminds of a line from the song "pills" by Greg Guevara; "Am I sick, or is the world sick? Or are we both sick, and I'm just the wrong kind of sick to exist?"

Are you quoting Jreg like a philosopher?

 

[Pinkliquid12]

As a Canadian I'm not expecting much. I do think it's funny that out of all the things that need to be fixed in this country, weed and assisted suicide are the first ones checked off.

 

[unfixable]

As a Canadian I'm not expecting much. I do think it's funny that out of all the things that need to be fixed in this country, weed and assisted suicide are the first ones checked off.
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While it might make a funny meme, the reality is whether MAID as a concept existed or not, those alternative problems would still exist and still not be addressed regardless. It is really one of the most common and logically flawed arguments that the pro-lifers use to deny Canadians access to MAID.

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

In America they'll kill (sometimes) innocent prisoners with every method physically possible and yet for some reason all the religious fundamentalists materialize from their biblical apocalypse bunkers and cornfields in bumfuck nowhere, USA the moment someone brings up assisted suicide.

 

[conveniently_dead]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/medical-assistance-in-dying-mental-illness-delay-1.7098313

 

[OhWellDerp321]

They just extended for another 3 years. Forget this program. It will never happen. Would you wait 3 years later for them to say it will be delayed once again?

 

[DeadManLiving]

Good for Canada. I guess you need to be a Canadian citizen, though? Wish they had this in the US.

Oregon would be the only state that's laissez-faire; you would qualify for any condition that is not resolvable and resulst in a substantial and significant suffering for the individual.

Although statutory codified, the condition does not necessarily need to result in death or morbidity within 6 months, according to media leaks, people and kids with depression were euthanized. You just have to establish the right relationships with mad scientist doctors and Curry their favor over time and clean and get their signatures.

They waved The residency requirement, so any US citizen with the signature of two doctors for any condition is eligible under Oregon's Death With Dignity Act, recently amended. I believe Virginia also waived the residency requirement, but don't quote me on that not sure.

 

[theapple]

On March 17 2024 Canadians can enter a 90 day wait list for medically assisted suicide where the only reason is mental illness. Is anyone else thinking of waiting it out until Medicaid suicide is available? The date is just so far away and I want to go now but I also have such a strong SI and physical pain intolerance. I know a MAID injection isn't guaranteed but it sounds alot more assured than most methods and at the very least maybe my organs can be donated to someone who needs them afterwards?

If I am not mistaken, I just read something that Canada is rethinking this. They showed the statistics and felt too many people were accessing maid and now are very hesitant to take this next step. I apologize, I can't remember where I saw this but it was recent. I am not Canadian so I didn't save it.

They will delay expansion again. Senate committee recommended...Canadian medical system not ready. Health minister will table legislation seeking another 3 year delay.

Am VERY disappointed...have been waiting for this....they delayed it a year LAST YEAR, and now a month away and it will be delayed again.

That's why I'm here.

Eligibility for medical assistance in dying for persons suffering solely from mental illness extended to March 17, 2024

This news release deals with topics that may cause distress. If you or someone close to you needs support, we encourage you to reach out. Resources are available at canada.ca/mental-health.

www.canada.ca

They will delay expansion again. Senate committee recommended...Canadian medical system not ready. Health minister will table legislation seeking another 3 year delay.

Am VERY disappointed...have been waiting for this....they delayed it a year LAST YEAR, and now a month away and it will be delayed again.

That's why I'm here.