For Pro Lifers

[Lorntroubles]

I don't even bother with people who can't try to see the way I see things. They bring religion and all this shit with it and it's supposed to be 100% accurate. That I'm going to Hell yadadada. Lady, I do and go as my body and soul pleases, you don't decide that. There is more to thinking than how they think and whatever advice or "love" they have for me can go in the toilet. They don't need to understand and I accept that. The labels they give me, oh well. I know what I want to do and their holier-than-thou attitudes can suck one!

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I think I may be finally losing it.
Thread deja vu!
This thread was started today but I swear I read it over a week ago!
Either I'm finally going dolally or the matrix has broken and the temporal causality has swallowed me whole.

 

[purplemoon]

Not sure they have that depth of emotion ;)
Most just blindly believe that cause , there's not much more to it .
It's 'horrible' and they are 'helping' people , and that's it ..

Exactly. It's so "horrible" (sad indeed) if they want to ctb... but think about how horrible their life is, and especially if they themselves know that it just simply will not get any better than that.

There really needs to be an entire reworking of the DSM, the psychology field, and DEFINITELY to give due RESPECT & RECOGNITION of the fact that many people's lives cannot just be formulated, or be seen in black-and-white terms... They need to stop this "stay alive no matter what!" NONSENSE.

Or ... "at least / just be glad you're still alive!" ridiculousness, how would you know?...

Are you in THEIR body? Do you have THEIR brain? Their life? Their family experiences? No...you DON'T, so you can't just say "well it's better than being dead". Well... maybe for you. But your life is up to you, just as much as THEIR LIFE is up to them, Not you, not me, not a stranger.

Then if it feels like torture for the person to stay alive, who's really doing something "horrible"?....

The person that understandably and justifiably wants to leave the place that's causing them so much suffering?

Or the people that insist on forcing them to stay in the place where they suffer so much?

And if they say that it's sad, Yes, of course it is, but if you try to force someone to stay in a situation that makes them completely miserable, just so YOU feel better they're alive, then that's actually selfish.
Yes, SELFISH.

It's not a matter of what you think they should keep trying, it's a matter of what they have left within themselves. They know better than you, or any theory, what REALISTICALLY needs to be done.

There is also a principle that overrides any human authority and any human theory:

it's called the individual organism's natural right to continue... or not... in this realm of existence. You cannot 'legislate' away such an inherent right; it's simply a natural right once you're born into this existence.

Also a brief friendly reminder for anyone on here that's in the medical field, etc

you should remember, from your university studies, they also have many times called various so-called medical treatments "medicine" from the "experts", and then many years later, they now realize that it was barbaric, ridiculous, irrational, etc.
Much like a lobotomy or bloodletting was once considered "medical" treatment by so-called "experts" (apparently not)... Just because it becomes normalized, does not make it reasonable, healthy, or even a good idea.

Again...

OUR LIFE = OUR CHOICE

 

[Quarky00]

@purplemoon , well said

I've written that I accept life is precious* , go ahead -- save lives -- by fixing the system !

* called 'death cult' , when you appreciate life ..

 

[Shinbu]

At least death doesn't discriminate our psyche. Life does. There is no MAID option in my state. If there was one. I would imagine I'll be discriminated because of my psyche, and be denied MAID. MAID should be in all states, and it should accept everyone who desires death. I believe in body autonomy, and freedom.

 

[Epsilon0]

Dear pro-lifer

Please feel free to believe in anything you like. You can believe suicide is a sin, morally wrong and an abhorrent act. I respect your freedom of thought and expression.

Now, please, have the decency to show me the same respect and do not encroach on my right to be pro-choice.

Yours sincerely
Epsilon

 

[purplemoon]

Dear pro-lifer

Please feel free to believe in anything you like. You can believe suicide is a sin, morally wrong and an abhorrent act. I respect your freedom of thought and expression.

Now, please, have the decency to show me the same respect and do not encroach on my right to be pro-choice.

Yours sincerely
Epsilon

Yes, i agree with you, and i'm a Christian. Although i think for myself and give God authority over any human. God did not write the bible, humans did with some misinterpretations, and i still value the Bible, but ultimately...God is my master and my authority. i do not necessarily value humans' thoughts, and for me, i only need God's approval and his opinion of me trumps any human opinion.
As they say...

i must listen to God over man.

You all are free to do and think as you like.

Just wanted to mention not all Christians are like that.

 

[Jean4]

Yes, i agree with you, and i'm a Christian. Although i think for myself and give God authority over any human. God did not write the bible, humans did with some misinterpretations, and i still value the Bible, but ultimately...God is my master and my authority. i do not necessarily value humans' thoughts, and for me, i only need God's approval and his opinion of me trumps any human opinion.
As they say...

i must listen to God over man.

You all are free to do and think as you like.

Just wanted to mention not all Christians are like that.

I am really glad you wrote that. Thank You!

 

[Epsilon0]

Yes, i agree with you, and i'm a Christian. Although i think for myself and give God authority over any human. God did not write the bible, humans did with some misinterpretations, and i still value the Bible, but ultimately...God is my master and my authority. i do not necessarily value humans' thoughts, and for me, i only need God's approval and his opinion of me trumps any human opinion.
As they say...

i must listen to God over man.

You all are free to do and think as you like.

Just wanted to mention not all Christians are like that.

I am happy for you @purplemoon Pure faith is a beautiful gift.

Knock, and the door shall be open for you. Search, and you shall find.

I can't imagine greater comfort than the promise these words hold. If only I could believe...

 

[CyanideSoup]

This site has been a safe space for me and so many other people. People like @Jean4 have kept me safe in times of crisis because I was able to be honest about how I feel here without any judgement. This isn't a death cult. We still feel pain when we lose members. But we respect their right to choose what they do with their bodies just as we respect your decision to live your lives. We don't want to fight, we don't want to hurt anyone. We just want to be able to make our own choices.

 

[Jean4]

This site has been a safe space for me and so many other people. People like @Jean4 have kept me safe in times of crisis because I was able to be honest about how I feel here without any judgement. This isn't a death cult. We still feel pain when we lose members. But we respect their right to choose what they do with their bodies just as we respect your decision to live your lives. We don't want to fight, we don't want to hurt anyone. We just want to be able to make our own choices.

That was beautiful! I am so proud of you!

 

[purplemoon]

Message for pro lifers.....
Until there is:
-- Ways to stop all physical pain
-- Ways to stop all disease
-- Ways to stop all suffering
-- No stigma to mental health treatment
-- Free mental health treatment
-- Accessible mental health treatment
-- No fear of being locked up in a hospital, jail, or prison for mental health issues
-- Understanding mental health treatment from professionals
-- Total and complete support systems available to all people
-- No money issues, food issues, housing issues for anyone
-- Literally nothing around that around make anyone depressed

And all of that being at the moment, not a possibility in the future or maybe if you pray really hard maybe you'll get it granted! (no offence to religious)

Don't even think of coming to a website that provides support to people (of whatever they choose) that actually helps them and possibly keeps them alive possibly longer than they thought they would. Because it doesn't take a website to know how to die. Because sometimes just listening and letting someone do what they want is more helpful than anything even trained professionals would ever do--and is definitely more than anything a pro-lifer could ever hope to achieve.

And even if the list was taken care of, it'd still be their choice, so leave them alone.

i like your train of thoughts...

you bring up an excellent point; they have created boxed in and limited opportunities to share true feelings because as soon as you do, they will likely try to hold you hostage in some psych ward that doesn't even help you anyway.

People should be able to express their feelings... and they can here on this forum.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I think I may be finally losing it.
Thread deja vu!
This thread was started today but I swear I read it over a week ago!
Either I'm finally going dolally or the matrix has broken and the temporal causality has swallowed me whole.

I started the recent thread, "What Do You Wish Detractors Knew About This Forum?"

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-do-you-wish-detractors-knew-about-this-forum.30355/

OP seems to share my motivation -- if they're going to come here, why not address them? They talk about us, why not use the opportunity to be heard?

Personally, I think it would be a good idea to have a sticky thread for them to go straight to, their very own resource here....

 

[TAW122]

Yes, i agree with you, and i'm a Christian. Although i think for myself and give God authority over any human. God did not write the bible, humans did with some misinterpretations, and i still value the Bible, but ultimately...God is my master and my authority. i do not necessarily value humans' thoughts, and for me, i only need God's approval and his opinion of me trumps any human opinion.
As they say...

i must listen to God over man.

You all are free to do and think as you like.

Just wanted to mention not all Christians are like that.

Well said, and I'm happy that you are one of the few believers (Christians) that actually respect others' right and choices in their lives and not try to impose your will onto others. I like people (both religious and non-religious) who can do that regardless of their beliefs in a God or not.

 

[voyager]

Dear pro-lifer,

If you keep DDoS'ing this site I'll kill myself, and it'll be on you.

Sincerely,
....