Firearm vs N

[johnny]

Main concern with N is throwing up and not dying, then getting put in a psych ward for a few days which would further complicate my life

Main concern with firearm would be injuring but not dying. Even though put it in the mouth aimed at the brainstem, i would still be very worried about that.

What are your thoughts? Which one is better?

 

[therhydler]

I would definitely go for N, I think if you have the antiemetics there is a good chance you won't throw up

 

[Jodes]

Firearm would be more traumatic for others

 

[21Neberg]

I'd choose the firearm. Not only are you close to 100% lethality (if aimed correctly, ofcourse) it is also an extremely quick way to go out whereas N won't kill you instantly. I wish you luck whichever method you choose though.

 

[21Neberg]

I know if I had a firearm i would have pulled the trigger a long time ago. good luck man.

 

[Mule]

If you have guts to pull the trigger (and I whimped out shooting myself with an AIR PISTOL), then the gun is viable. Takes balls though, I for sure couldn't do it.

 

[21Neberg]

If you have guts to pull the trigger (and I whimped out shooting myself with an AIR PISTOL), then the gun is viable. Takes balls though, I for sure couldn't do it.

Don't all suicides take balls though? I understand what you're saying, but I still think suicide by gun is ideal.

 

[OkTotti]

You're not taking account of the survival instinct with a firearm. You'll probably flinch at the last second.

With N., since you essentially CTB in your sleep, the survival instinct is supressed

 

[Mule]

Don't all suicides take balls though? I understand what you're saying, but I still think suicide by gun is ideal.

Ughh, true. But I've nearly died of alcohol poisoning times more times than I can count. Which is why I'm getting nice and trashed before whipping out the wine enema. I think once youbhave a level of familiarity with a method it loses its intimidating edge.

 

[Mule]

To OP though, best of luck whatever you decide.

 

[21Neberg]

You're not taking account of the survival instinct with a firearm. You'll probably flinch at the last second.

With N., since you essentially CTB in your sleep, the survival instinct is supressed

That's definitely something to consider! Getting N is another story though...

 

[21Neberg]

Ughh, true. But I've nearly died of alcohol poisoning times more times than I can count. Which is why I'm getting nice and trashed before whipping out the wine enema. I think once youbhave a level of familiarity with a method it loses its intimidating edge.

That's quite smart!

 

[Mule]

That's quite smart!

I figured people die butt chugging without a high blood alcohol beforehand, why not cut out the middle man? Ah well, wish you well either way *hugs*

 

[Hunter]

People underestimate how hard it is to shoot yourself

 

[johnny]

People underestimate how hard it is to shoot yourself

What do you mean?

 

[Mule]

What do you mean?

Well, from personal experience with an air gun wooden skewer setup, pulling that trigger is plum hard. You have to try it to know what a fucker the survival instinct is. Not trying to be patronizibg, so I hope I haven't offended.

 

[OkTotti]

Well, from personal experience with an air gun wooden skewer setup, pulling that trigger is plum hard. You have to try it to know what a fucker the survival instinct is. Not trying to be patronizibg, so I hope I haven't offended.

i don't think he knows what survival instinct is

 

[TiredHorse]

You're not taking account of the survival instinct with a firearm. You'll probably flinch at the last second.

With N., since you essentially CTB in your sleep, the survival instinct is supressed

As Mule says, pulling that trigger is damned difficult. I've pointed a gun at my head more times than I can count, and yet here I am writing this.

Having flinched with eb/N2, where I theoretically would have just been falling asleep, I think SI will be an issue no matter what method you use. There's just as much awareness that you are comitting a fatal act by slugging back a glass of N as there is pulling a bag down over your face or as there is pulling a trigger.

With most methods, it comes down to pushing the first in a row of dominoes that lead to your death. With a gun, there's only a single domino to fall. With eb/N2 there are maybe 60 seconds of dominoes when you can stop the chain. With N, there is again only one domino, no chance of stopping the chain, but five minutes of dominoes to wait through. But no matter how many dominoes there are, it's impossible to ignore the implications of that first one that you need to push.

 

[MsM3talGamer]

Personally, I'd go for the N. Shooting feels a bit gory to me, while with N you can just drift off to sleep. After all, they use it to euthanise animals so it's more peaceful IMO.

 

[Mule]

As Mule says, pulling that trigger is damned difficult. I've pointed a gun at my head more times than I can count, and yet here I am writing this.

Having flinched with eb/N2, where I theoretically would have just been falling asleep, I think SI will be an issue no matter what method you use. There's just as much awareness that you are comitting a fatal act by slugging back a glass of N as there is pulling a bag down over your face or as there is pulling a trigger.

With most methods, it comes down to pushing the first in a row of dominoes that lead to your death. With a gun, there's only a single domino to fall. With eb/N2 there are maybe 60 seconds of dominoes when you can stop the chain. With N, there is again only one domino, no chance of stopping the chain, but five minutes of dominoes to wait through. But no matter how many dominoes there are, it's impossible to ignore the implications of that first one that you need to push.

This. 10,000 X this.

 

[TAW122]

Similar to what TiredHorse said, SI is a bitch to overcome and not many people can successfully overcome it. Since I myself am planning to go via the firearm (since it's the most reliable method and most accessible one I have by far), I would say all you need to do is to overcome the SI temporarily, or at least enough will power even for a moment or so, enough time to pull the trigger and it would be all over, eternal rest. It is true that is does leave a messy end, but it is a quick and guaranteed way if you hit the right area.

For the firearm, I would recommend the shotgun loaded with preferably buckshot, but any decent load (like #4, #2 or so birdshot) would suffice. The reason for the shotgun is that it spreads more, thus allowing a greater margin of error and less survivability. While it is true one could use a pistol or rifle to ctb, it is harder and would require even more precision in order to hit the brainstem.

 

[TiredHorse]

The reason for the shotgun is that it spreads more, thus allowing a greater margin of error and less survivability.

I cannot refute that a shotgun is a very effective firearm for ctb. However, I will point out that the couple inches between the end of the muzzle and the brainstem is not enough to make any significant difference in the size of shot pattern.

Shot pattern and recoil are two things you never need to worry about with ctb. The former is unchanging for a shot at that close range, and by the time you feel the latter, you're already dead.

 

[Comatose11]

If you can afford it, I'd choose N and just take an antiemetic (you can buy some on ebay. Primperan to be exact). A firearm is just so violent.

 

[Stillnotsure]

You are comparing apples to oranges....

Do you fear disfiguring yourself, leaving a mess for people to see and clean, or the slim chance of failure and being permanently disfigured? However this method has a high success rate with the proper caliber gun and angle to the brain. If not, choose the gun.

Do you fear being violently ill, an extended period of time in which to change your mind, the cost of N, but want a peaceful sleep and an intact corpse? Choose N.

Research both methods thoroughly before deciding.

 

[Stillnotsure]

You are comparing apples to oranges....

Do you fear disfiguring yourself, leaving a mess for people to see and clean, or the slim chance of failure and being permanently disfigured? However this method has a high success rate with the proper caliber gun and angle to the brain. If not, choose the gun.

Do you fear being violently ill, an extended period of time in which to change your mind, the cost of N, but want a peaceful sleep and an intact corpse? Choose N.

Research both methods thoroughly before deciding.

 

[Stillnotsure]

I'm sorry my device froze and I posted my response three times by over clicking.... I'm an idiot with computers.

 

[TAW122]

I cannot refute that a shotgun is a very effective firearm for ctb. However, I will point out that the couple inches between the end of the muzzle and the brainstem is not enough to make any significant difference in the size of shot pattern.

Shot pattern and recoil are two things you never need to worry about with ctb. The former is unchanging for a shot at that close range, and by the time you feel the latter, you're already dead.

Yes this is true too, and I think of the small or mid size (buckshot) pellets would act almost like a big slug at point blank range, thus annihilating everything around and on the brainstem, whereas one bullet requires more precision to land a critical hit (on the brainstem).

As a newbie when it comes to handling guns, I just enjoy the added insurance of doing enough damage even when it is not absolutely on point on the brainstem. I wonder though, if let's say the parts around the brainstem is destroyed but the brainstem is in tact (though badly damaged from shock and trauma) would a person still die (even if it is minutes later)? I assume if in the rare chance of a failure to take out the brainstem, perhaps death from blood loss and shock could still be very high/likely?

 

[Pegasus]

I wish it was legal to get firearms where I live. I'd get a gun and follow some tutorials before shooting myself in the head.

 

[TiredHorse]

I think of the small or mid size (buckshot) pellets would act almost like a big slug at point blank range

There's also the fact that there's a big, hard plastic "wad" in there with the shot, which will definitely work like a slug with massive expansion characteristics. Most people seem to forget about that when raving about the advantage of buckshot over birdshot.

if let's say the parts around the brainstem is destroyed but the brainstem is in tact (though badly damaged from shock and trauma) would a person still die (even if it is minutes later)? I assume if in the rare chance of a failure to take out the brainstem, perhaps death from blood loss and shock could still be very high/likely?

There are too many variables. A friend of mine shot himself in the temple, destroyed his frontal lobe, bled all over the place, and was still alive long enough to be found and put on life support. He only died when they turned off the machines. Another forum member, a medic, related a call he(?) went on where the guy had blown his entire face off with a shotgun (never shoot up under the chin!), and they found him crawing around in his garage, very much alive.

We humans are damnably tough to kill.

 

[dumbfarang]

im still deciding on n or gun as well. i have a gun, and my n should be arriving in 2 weeks. im thinking of ctbing with the n, and leaving a gun next to my body. i think itd be a funny troll