Feel sympathy for school shooters?

[Deleted member 847]

I wish that social hierarchies don't exist, however they are readily apparent in nature, and we're (humanity) are still far more on the ape side than anything civilized etc. etc. - So while I do like the truisms about equality and all that other bullshit, I don't see how this is really the case, nor will it be anytime in the near future.

Moreover, as long as people are different with different aptitudes and likes/dislikes, then people really aren't equal - and I wouldn't want them to be treated the same. I think that a baseline (UBI) standard of living would be nice, but all this equality crap is typically made by the losers, so they have nothing to lose by complaining of the status quo.

"because no one can live without the other" - well, again, that sounds like a truism, I'm not sure whether that's true - with the population the size it is people are readily expendable.

If we are more on the ape side and we don't want to be civilized then allow me to use my pepper spray and ruin forever my aggressor eyes, because if he has the right to impose his dominance over me because he is an ape with instincts, and he can't help himself, then I'm not so different because I have emotions and instincts too, give me the right to express them. All this "losers and winners" is nonsense. Winners have made-up social power. Real power is only physical, and that includes weapons. If you are the president of the USA for example I can still kill you if I can get my hand on a gun. Why do "winners" have to suppress "losers" ability to defend themselves if they are so confident about their power?

 

[AveryConure]

Nah.

If you're so mad that you want to kill random people cause your girlfriend broke up with you just deal with it like most people by blasting shitty sad 80's music, get wasted, and have a good wank. None of these people need to deal with your relationship issues if none of them did anything to have her breakup with you.

 

[ineedtojackit]

Nah i've never felt sympathy for those monsters and if you do you're either a terrible person or have some kind of problem. I do however feel empathy which just means you can relate with their suffering and situation but in no way are they ever considered good people or would I give them my sympathy. I have felt so much pain from this world and others and I agree that in general I hate people, but there are lots of innocent people just trying to live their lives and taking out your anger in such a disgusting way on people that have not hurt you is disgusting. If anything you'll be hurting people that are already struggling or lead more people to the horrid feeling of depression from loss of loved ones. If a part of you seriously justifies a school shooting where you just harm innocent randoms then you definitely deserve every ounce of pain this depressing life has to offer along with no sympathy from me or any person with half a brain.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Nah.

If you're so mad that you want to kill random people cause your girlfriend broke up with you just deal with it like most people by blasting shitty sad 80's music, get wasted, and have a good wank. None of these people need to deal with your relationship issues if none of them did anything to have her breakup with you.

That's barely the reason why people go on a rampage though. Most of these people, if not all, were bullied and locked out by their environment. The reason why these people decide to go to their school and shoot them all down is because they are the reason for their issues. They are the perpetrators.

 

[ineedtojackit]

When I see a school shooting I cheer the shooter on. I don't care about dead innocent people. In my experience most people are scumbags.

that's just disgusting, many of us hate the world but if you choose to cheer on a school shooter you deserve every bit of pain this life has to offer

 

[ineedtojackit]

If they would limit themselves to only kill their bullies, I wouldn't really care, because if you (the bully) are tough and cocky enough to fuck with someone, then you should be tough and cocky enough to assume a counterattack from your victim and you have only yourself to to blame for it.

Anyone that has been mercilessly bullied and says they haven't fantasized of brutally murdering said bully is 100% lying.

 

[IQof87SadButTrue]

that's just disgusting, many of us hate the world but if you choose to cheer on a school shooter you deserve every bit of pain this life has to offer

I'm sorry but that's just how i feel due to a lot of life experience and wisdom accumulated throughout my life. I didn't think this way as a child.

 

[AveryConure]

I've been bullied but I still didn't think about killing everyone. Suicide yes. Involving randos in my issues no.

Trust me when I say high school fucking sucks but it'll be over and a lot of these people will end up being crackwhores or heroin addicts anyways so it really doesn't matter.

 

[ineedtojackit]

I've been bullied but I still didn't think about killing everyone. Suicide yes. Involving randos in my issues no.

Trust me when I say high school fucking sucks but it'll be over and a lot of these people will end up being crackwhores or heroin addicts anyways so it really doesn't matter.

I understand killing the bully but randoms is just going to far I agree in that sense. As for the second part that is not true, many of us suffer so much more in college and life while the pain doesn't always end after high school. Although the person that bullied me ended up ruining his life later I know this isn't generally true, many horrible oppressive people go on to have a successful life with a promising career where people can't even tell they were bad people, a lot of the time their popularity with others will help them network in the future while those that were bullied carry on the social anxiety/depression into the future weighing them down.

 

[AveryConure]

I understand killing the bully but randoms is just going to far I agree in that sense. As for the second part that is not true, many of us suffer so much more in college and life while the pain doesn't always end after high school. Although the person that bullied me ended up ruining his life later I know this isn't generally true, many horrible oppressive people go on to have a successful life with a promising career where people can't even tell they were bad people, a lot of the time their popularity with others will help them network in the future while those that were bullied carry on the social anxiety/depression into the future weighing them down.

I probably should refrain from posting in this topic anymore cause I'm probably projecting and offending those who had experiences similar to yours, so sorry you had to deal with that shit.

We can both agree that random people don't need to be involved and teenagers can be huge fucking pricks though. I don't think a bully should necessarily be killed but I do believe in what comes around goes around so I can't blame you for feeling that way.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I've been bullied but I still didn't think about killing everyone. Suicide yes. Involving randos in my issues no.

I don't say it's okay to create a blood bath but you talked down very important reasons within our society that creates such school shootings in the first place. It's important to adress and face these issues.

Trust me when I say high school fucking sucks but it'll be over and a lot of these people will end up being crackwhores or heroin addicts anyways so it really doesn't matter.

I've been out of school for years and it didn't end for me. What I experienced back then is still affecting me today. It is one of the main reasons for my severe social anxiety and depression. It has fucked me up longterm. It's not simply a passing moment in your life. And it will haunt many people for the rest of their lives.

 

[Michel Angelo]

If we are more on the ape side and we don't want to be civilized then allow me to use my pepper spray and ruin forever my aggressor eyes, because if he has the right to impose his dominance over me because he is an ape with instincts, and he can't help himself, then I'm not so different because I have emotions and instincts too, give me the right to express them. All this "losers and winners" is nonsense. Winners have made-up social power. Real power is only physical, and that includes weapons. If you are the president of the USA for example I can still kill you if I can get my hand on a gun. Why do "winners" have to suppress "losers" ability to defend themselves if they are so confident about their power?

Try reading some Foucault - power simply isn't narrowed down to who can physically harm who - power is inherent within societal structures itself, (as well as knowledge itself) and is simply a natural result of people doing different things, as well as being fundamentally different in their aptitudes/interests/etc etc. Some people have more money, some have less currently. I'm not a fan of the exploitation that our current economic system allows, but even under an ideal system you'd have the inventors, the creative class, those who build things well and those who don't, and I'd dare say it's unfair to think that one who does nothing except mope around all day deserves an equivalent power -

I've noticed a lot of people living by simplistic truisms around here, perhaps most in this forum never graduated high school, I don't know - all I'd simply say is that life is a lot more complicated than applying one simplistic ideology onto everything else, and then judging it as "wrong" if it doesn't fit in with your simplistic preconceived notions. It could as easily be that applying one framework, one lens to view the world is flawed, as there are as many perspectives / ontological realities as there are colors. Sheesh.

 

[Gumby]

Nah.

If you're so mad that you want to kill random people cause your girlfriend broke up with you just deal with it like most people by blasting shitty sad 80's music, get wasted, and have a good wank. None of these people need to deal with your relationship issues if none of them did anything to have her breakup with you.

Sad 80s music is great

 

[Michel Angelo]

Hate is a strong word on the side of negative. Love is a strong word on the side of positive. Respect is a less strong word on the side of positive. there are thousands of words that serve as a variant and degree on the side of negative or positive. Subjectively descriptive words in the context of 'good' or 'bad' just seem like a person is saying good vs bad (or preferable vs non-preferable depending on the goal outside of a moral context), but not actually saying more about the topic, rather trying to out-sophisticate the next person who used another word. I don't care what word is used. My point is that no individual has more access to moral truth, just like no individual has more access to truth about a supernatural existence, and certainly those in the contest of being the 'smartest' or the 'most pious' or the 'best victim' who can virtue-signal, are not anywhere above the person who simply doesn't apply hate (or whatever negative or non-preferable word a person feels like picking at the time). And I prefer less hate.

The entire point of ethics/morality/law/legal philosophy is really to find some imperfect "objective" theory (and thereby fair/just theory) from subjective premises, given the fact that there variations in individual opinions on what the moral truth is - ie, a meta-ethical hodgepodge of varying opinions, conglomerated into some form of legal-positivistic nonsense. Since law/norms have to be applied between at least 2 people, figuring out how to apply them somewhat fairly given individual differentiation is the goal of western law, and ethics in general.

and the problems inherent is that while no individual moral truth can be "better" without assuming metrics by which to judge the betterness of whatever morality, there are many who have given this much more thought on the matter, compare the idiots on Duck Dynasty and their god-derived morality to legal positivists such as HLA Hart or even often-quoted personalities such as Noam Chomsky. One realy can't judge on tort / contract law merely by thinking love is a positive word, one needs a positivistic means by which engage in legal matters objectively, nor can one put words in plus or minus columns and think they've added much to the conversation -

 

[Tomasnil]

Just a side question.
Is bullying at the same level today as it was 50 100 200y ago to me personaly it seem like kids growing up now adays ... in school system last 15 years are taught that you can not under any circumstance fysicaly hit some one. So the one being bullied have no means to defend them self and very few meens to get teacher involved.
Before if one was bullied but they stand up and fight.... win or lose the problem was taken in to light and you had to face teachers and parents in diffrent way..... i think alot of people not affected by bullies dont understand how it hurts and how to deal with it and take it to lightly

 

[Fylobatica]

Is bullying at the same level today as it was 50 100 200y ago

People have always been treating badly each other, but definitely nowadays there are more ways in which somebody can feel down; mainly because people misuse social media to mock others. The main problem will always be immaturity. Technology can help in this by censoring certain pictures and permanently banning violent people from the network.

 

[weedoge]

I know OP is banned but I believe the only life anybody has a right to take is their own.

 

[deathwish]

Am in no possession of great sympathy for them. Some sympathy? Sure. Like maybe 1% because they were obviously in pain and driven to such an extreme and now they're fucked and redemption is past

Maybe if they explained themselves better, why those they killed deserved to die. Then we could judge upon that.

Lacking that.. Generally then, it's very well to kill one's self, that's quite within one's jurisdiction, imo; but to kill others is a gross misconduct and I say this trying to do so without regard to any society.

Looking at mass shooters, there are none I do not condemn. They are why this world is horrible. If not them, then what?

Those here in this thread, who empathize with the shooters...who do not condemn them...I'm a little glad that you're here on this site. I wouldn't kill you but if you're going to do it, maybe I'm considering being slightly relieved

 

[Final Escape]

Yes I do because I think they were abused and neglected as children. However, I think it was wrong to harm people and they should receive some type of intervention. I'm not a fan of lifetime incarceration or murdering these people. Seems counterproductive. Maybe I'm too naive in my thinking, I certainly would not want to see them repeat the crime.

 

[weedoge]

Yes I do because I think they were abused and neglected as children. However, I think it was wrong to harm people and they should receive some type of intervention. I'm not a fan of lifetime incarceration or murdering these people. Seems counterproductive. Maybe I'm too naive in my thinking, I certainly would not want to see them repeat the crime.

Like John Wayne Gacy, he clearly turned out the way he did because of his childhood treatment but I'm not sure if that excuses committing truly evil acts. I know some people say morality isn't real or it's a made up thing. but I'm sorry I disagree some things are just very clearly and obviously wrong.

I suppose what it really comes down to is if, in their mind, they were truly able to know the things they were doing were wrong. If they kept them hidden and secret (hiding bodies etc) then I suppose they did know.

 

[I_Am_Trashman]

None.

 

[azucaramargo]

That's barely the reason why people go on a rampage though. Most of these people, if not all, were bullied and locked out by their environment. The reason why these people decide to go to their school and shoot them all down is because they are the reason for their issues. They are the perpetrators.

I like that phrasing: "locked out by their environment."

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

This is a ballsy post. On most other sites it would be flagged and removed before the last keystroke had sprung back to its resting position. Kudos to SS for allowing these discussions.

 

[noonetoo]

I find it ironic this place would be such against a post. The idea of murdering but suicide is ok? Isn't it almost the same thing, whether you're killing someone else or yourself is still "murder"?...

What is truly wrong is that these people are shooting schools where innocent kids, that had nothing to do with whatever they went through. Re-reading what I wrote, when we kill ourselves it is our choice vs. at the hands of a murderer, it never is, and that is what's sad and really unfair.

So no, they don't necessarily deserve any sympathy. We all have been victims yet we aren't going taking it out on the wrong people.

 

[dysfunctional]

No, suicide and murder are different things. I want to limit the impact on others if/when I ctb.

 

[Sixfeetunder]

I have no sympathy for school shooters what-so-ever. Killing yourself is different because you're consenting to it.
But shooting up a school? Inexcusable. That's killing young people without their consent. Those people want to live. The survivors are traumatized for life. Those who were shot and survived suffer from trauma and may have permanent physical disablilties as well. Then the children's friends and families are also affected, even if the child came out unharmed. And if the people are understandably upset and don't want anyone else to go through what they went through? They get harassed. They get death threats.
I don't care what someone has been through. There is absolutely no excuse to shoot up a place, especially a school.

 

[noonetoo]

@dysfunctional
@Sixfeetunder

I mentioned that at "Rereading what I wrote"... a choice vs. not getting to have one.

The similarities is dying.

But I wasn't agreeing with the act. It's truly horrible. & mental illness shouldn't be an excuse. Most of us here are suffering from something but I doubt we're going out attacking innocent people.

 

[EmotionlessWanderer]

I'm conflicted about it tbh. Part of me wants to feel a little sympathy for school shooters because most of the time school shootings are caused by bullying and shit but they potentially killed/injured people who had nothing to do with it and might've been suffering just like him making it hard to see the shooter as anything but a terrorist.

 

[kkatt]

Shooter
I chatted with this guy in a pro choice chatroom. Obviously we didn't know until a few days later what he was truly capable of. But he was so very resentful of the religious community he had grown up in there. He described how they had placed many restrictions on his liife,preventing him from doing things that other kids his age could.
BUT he also described how he and his friends would sit in their car and discuss exactly how they would rape and abuse women they could see. He believed they were somehow "entitled" to sex and had earned it. Some of the things he said really shocked me and I took to iding m presence from him.

 

[reveriewong]

No. There is no ethical or moral justification for killing a human being.