Failed CO Using Charcoal and Car

[shiba]

Thank you for all of the information you're providing here. I'm going to CTB soon in the same way, just with a tent instead of a car. Wishing you the best.

 

[Intoxicated]

And here is an estimated ppm level over time based on my memory of my test. I will be doing another test soon and will record better:
2 min - 700 ppm
5 min - 1200 ppm
10 min - 2000 ppm
15 min - 2700 ppm
20 min - 3200 ppm
25 min - 4000 ppm I stopped my test when I got to 4000 which was about 25 to 30 min in.

Only 4000 ppm... this is so sad. Have you ever considered other chemical reactions for making CO and other environment for inhaling it from? I think, 25 minutes would be enough to make 2 - 4 liters of nearly pure carbon monoxide using a method like this and then produce a concentration of >100000 ppm in the narrow space of a small plastic bag that can be used similarly to exit bag without constant gas flow. Inhaling >10% CO should render unconsciousness long before the sense of suffocation would occur due to CO2 buildup, and death would be nearly guaranteed with such a high concentration.

 

[strawberry931]

Only 4000 ppm... this is so sad. Have you ever considered other chemical reactions for making CO and other environment for inhaling it from? I think, 25 minutes would be enough to make 2 - 4 liters of nearly pure carbon monoxide using a method like this and then produce a concentration of >100000 ppm in the narrow space of a small plastic bag that can be used similarly to exit bag without constant gas flow. Inhaling >10% CO should render unconsciousness long before the sense of suffocation would occur due to CO2 buildup, and death would be nearly guaranteed with such a high concentration.

Yes I have thought about doing that. I just have issues getting supplies due to my current situation. 10% CO would be very quick, seconds to minutes. I think the main reason my method failed was due to the amount of charcoal I used. I plan on using 4x the amount next time and in two buckets. This should increase the burn time.

 

[homeboundcripple]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I was planning to let the CO build up to a high level before entering the tent. Based on your's and Dejected's reasoning, I'm now going to go in with the CO at the start and take deep breaths. My only anxiety is about respiratory arrest occurring at lower CO levels before loss of consciousness. I think this is a possibility (a bit like sleep paralysis with the feeling of suffocation before losing consciousness) and it scares me. Entering when the levels are high seems like a quicker and more peaceful option, but maybe less optimal if you then go into shallow breathing.

The below messages are from the CO megathread page 61. He got the meter up to 7,000+ ppm in his car and woke up 6 hours later. He consumed hits from THC vape, 30mg weed gummies, and a bottle of wine. Like you've said, taking no substances seems to be the better option.

doesn't make sense. Scientific literature is clear: 7,000 ppm of carbon monoxide in a sealed environment will kill you within half an hour. That is what the data says. Period

 

[strawberry931]

doesn't make sense. Scientific literature is clear: 7,000 ppm of carbon monoxide in a sealed environment will kill you within half an hour. That is what the data says. Period

CO meters have a margin of error and that gets larger the higher the concentration. When I do my test I will be posting the reading values as well as the possible range based on the error margin. I don't know what meter this person used, but my meter has a +-20% after 2000 ppm. This is a significant error margin which is why I will be posting my results with that error margin in addition to the actual reading. I was close in my attempt and my feeling tells me that if I quadruple the quantity of charcoal and spread across two buckets I will CTB. The thing to take away here is to use as much charcoal as you possibly can in your situation. Or if you are able to get formic acid and sulfuric acid you can go that method. Even with that method though you still have to be concerned with the quantities being used. Always do more than you think. maybe do as much as possible.

 

[homeboundcripple]

CO meters have a margin of error and that gets larger the higher the concentration. When I do my test I will be posting the reading values as well as the possible range based on the error margin. I don't know what meter this person used, but my meter has a +-20% after 2000 ppm. This is a significant error margin which is why I will be posting my results with that error margin in addition to the actual reading. I was close in my attempt and my feeling tells me that if I quadruple the quantity of charcoal and spread across two buckets I will CTB. The thing to take away here is to use as much charcoal as you possibly can in your situation. Or if you are able to get formic acid and sulfuric acid you can go that method. Even with that method though you still have to be concerned with the quantities being used. Always do more than you think. maybe do as much as possible.

I will look forward to your results

 

[homeboundcripple]

CO meters have a margin of error and that gets larger the higher the concentration. When I do my test I will be posting the reading values as well as the possible range based on the error margin. I don't know what meter this person used, but my meter has a +-20% after 2000 ppm. This is a significant error margin which is why I will be posting my results with that error margin in addition to the actual reading. I was close in my attempt and my feeling tells me that if I quadruple the quantity of charcoal and spread across two buckets I will CTB. The thing to take away here is to use as much charcoal as you possibly can in your situation. Or if you are able to get formic acid and sulfuric acid you can go that method. Even with that method though you still have to be concerned with the quantities being used. Always do more than you think. maybe do as much as possible.

I like the charcoal method but also debating whether to trade in my car for a 1980s early 90s model and just go old school and run a hose through the window. Upside to this is concentration reaches something like 30-40,000 ppm

 

[strawberry931]

I like the charcoal method but also debating whether to trade in my car for a 1980s early 90s model and just go old school and run a hose through the window. Upside to this is concentration reaches something like 30-40,000 ppm

Yes I would do this too if I had the ability. Another option would be using something like a generator or a chain saw (a chain saw might not hold enough gas though). I have been looking more closely at suspension hanging and now I'm really considering this method. It's quick and reliable if done right. If your rope is positioned correctly then you will go unconscious within seconds to minutes. Do it wrong though and you choke your windpipe and this would be very unpeaceful.

 

[homeboundcripple]

Yes I would do this too if I had the ability. Another option would be using something like a generator or a chain saw (a chain saw might not hold enough gas though). I have been looking more closely at suspension hanging and now I'm really considering this method. It's quick and reliable if done right. If your rope is positioned correctly then you will go unconscious within seconds to minutes. Do it wrong though and you choke your windpipe and this would be very unpeaceful.

My second option for getting a vintage car would be to hire one. A generator, or any petrol tools, would be a good idea, but unfortunately, with my hearing condition, I have to rule them out. Yes, it's funny you should say that. My views on full suspension have changed dramatically since joining and reading the megathread, and other people's opinions on it.

 

[Syriancel]

did you seal any vents/openings in your car before the attempt?

 

[strawberry931]

did you seal any vents/openings in your car before the attempt?

I did seal vents. I think my issue was too little charcoal. My new plan is 4x the charcoal and pairing that with 100+ ground bitter apricot seeds about 20 minutes before getting into the car. I have a new seal issue since the paramedics broke one of my windows to get me out of the car. I have that sealed up with 2 mil plastic and foil using butyl sealant tape. I think I did a good job of sealing it. So soon it's two buckets with about 3 kg charcoal each and 100+ ground bitter apricot seeds. I was planning on doing a test run with the charcoal, but I might not do that. My next thread here will be my goodbye and I will describe my setup in detail there.

 

[It'sMyLife]

I like the charcoal method but also debating whether to trade in my car for a 1980s early 90s model and just go old school and run a hose through the window. Upside to this is concentration reaches something like 30-40,000 ppm

Catalytic converters started in the mid 70's and were much better by the years you mentioned. I don't know what years they began putting oxygen sensors before and after the converters but when converters are removed and straight pipes welded in the downstream O2 sensor tells the computer to run the engine in a rich condition to prevent engine damage. The earliest years of cars with cats didn't have O2 sensors. Cars without cats are very stinky. I have a 65 Chevy and it smells awful but it probably need tuning and I haven't driven it in a long time

OP not being critical but I think that plastic over the now missing window could be a problem. I'm also concerned about how hot it's going to be in there with all of that heat that will be generated with that much more charcoal. Admittedly CO is not my choice and I'm not well read on it I'm sorry for all of the problems life is throwing at you

 

[homeboundcripple]

Catalytic converters started in the mid 70's and were much better by the years you mentioned. I don't know what years they began putting oxygen sensors before and after the converters but when converters are removed and straight pipes welded in the downstream O2 sensor tells the computer to run the engine in a rich condition to prevent engine damage. The earliest years of cars with cats didn't have O2 sensors. Cars without cats are very stinky. I have a 65 Chevy and it smells awful but it probably need tuning and I haven't driven it in a long time

Catalytic converters started in the mid 70's and were much better by the years you mentioned. I don't know what years they began putting oxygen sensors before and after the converters but when converters are removed and straight pipes welded in the downstream O2 sensor tells the computer to run the engine in a rich condition to prevent engine damage. The earliest years of cars with cats didn't have O2 sensors. Cars without cats are very stinky. I have a 65 Chevy and it smells awful but it probably need tuning and I haven't driven it in a long time

OP not being critical but I think that plastic over the now missing window could be a problem. I'm also concerned about how hot it's going to be in there with all of that heat that will be generated with that much more charcoal. Admittedly CO is not my choice and I'm not well read on it I'm sorry for all of the problems life is throwing at you

Here in uk, cat only became mandatory in all vehicles from 1993 so most models before that date will suffice. heat wont be a problem, as your passed out long before it becomes an issue

 

[Minsu]

When will you make a test with 4x 1.5 kg charcoal?

 

[strawberry931]

When will you make a test with 4x 1.5 kg charcoal?

I think I have decided I'm not going to perform another test. The meter I have has a large error range for anything over 1000 ppm. I think instead I'm just going to use my extra charcoal to burn inside the garage where the car is parked. So any leaks in the car won't be replaced with fresh air. Instead I estimate the garage will sustain about 700 ppm for a couple of hours. I also decided that I'll consume at least 60 apricot seeds that have been ground up which should make the reaction faster and more toxic. I think the combination of 4x the charcoal as last time is enough and the apricot seeds are a kind of fail-safe. Albeit not really a good one since paramedics administer hydroxocobalamin in charcoal burning incidents due to cyanide released in the smoke. Performing a test with my meter's error margins just wouldn't be that useful. My extra charcoal is better used to pollute the garage the car is in. I will be posting a goodbye thread in the coming weeks where I will detail my process and if you don't hear from me after that then it probably worked. I would take photos of my setup, but I'm currently using a cheap flip phone with a terrible camera and I don't even know how to get the pics off of it. Maybe I could email them to myself or something, but the quality is just too bad to bother.

I'm sorry I got everyone's hopes up for another test. Like I said, with the meter's error margin the results wouldn't even be that useful. For accurate tests one needs to by that 10,000 ppm meter that is talked about in the megathread. I just didn't have the money for that one. I did look at that one and the error margins are slim so should be decently accurate.

 

[strawberry931]

Goodbye Everyone â¤ï¸ð¤ð¶ð¢

First off let me say sorry for not doing the tests. Ultimately I think my meter has too much error margin with anything over 1000 ppm and the results would not be accurate and worth posting. Also sorry for this really long post. I'm going to explain my process in detail before I say my final...

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