Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[GasMonkey]

I don't know why but my links to the ExitBag study on this and this posts have disappeared.
Maybe a moderator removed them?

I'm a smoker and had real problems with the N2 method. So much so that I had to abandon it and return the cylinder, I described my experience in this thread:

Is the inert gas method unviable for smokers?

I got a N2/SCBA kit and was 'testing' it out recently by holding the mask up to my face so it could fall if I blacked out. I'm a long term smoker - about 4/5 cigarettes daily. Each time I had to drop the mask after about 7/8 breaths as an overwhelming sensation of suffocation/panic came over me...

sanctioned-suicide.net

I have replied to that thread.

 

[Anzhe]

Sorry if this was answered, I looked for the search but couldn't find it (I'd appreciate some help locating it).

Has anyone seen or heard of the after affects of this method? My concern is whether a diaper should be worn.

it's better to just not eat anything for 2 days and put a plastic tablecloth under the sheet so as not to stain the bed and not cause so many problems to your landlord or relatives. If you hate them, then this can be a little disgusting revenge))

 

[GasMonkey]

Important stuff for UK folks
I have discovered an air-to-nitrogen adapter for the UK Nitrogen standard connection!!!

Female DIN 300 G5/8 to BS 341 #3
With this you can connect any DIN SCBA to UK N₂ cylinders!!

 

[Anzhe]

This is well known. Your body goes through posturing (involuntary muscle contraction) as your brain dies. It's not a secret. Many people here consider securing their arms to their chair. I'm not using a chair so I might have some elastic loops on my belt to slip my hands through as soon as I pull the bag down.

I had an operation under intravenous anesthesia and I woke up in the middle of the operation - the nurse held my hands tightly - it turns out that when I was under anesthesia I waved my arms, but until the moment I regained consciousness I didn't even remember it! She explained it later - I was surprised to be held hard by 2 people, my throat was dry and it was terrible. I thought that anesthesia is just a peaceful sleep and a person is not able to move. I paid well for this operation - I don't know why it happened. Maybe it's an accident and have such a reaction to anesthesia was accident, maybe they did something wrong because they are just an idiots, maybe they did it on purpose just to punish me just like sadists - this operation was an abortion at 4.5 months of pregnancy. Maybe they condemned me, but they still took my money. Maybe they wanted me to feel the pain. Don't know. But even in an unconscious state, a person can behave aggressively waving his arms. I think i can probably use handcuffs from a sex shop to fix my hands, for example - turning on the gas, you just need to hold your breath and fasten the handcuffs.

I'm not sure i'm writing my post at the right place but my question regards the nitrogen method. I'm from Quebec Canada and it's hard to find a place to buy Nitrogen.
I found with the Linde compagny but you have to be registered as a compagny. It is not possible to buy as an individual.
Some people have any ideas?

You can register your own company. This is something like a little scam)) I work as an escort and landlords often ask where I work and so as not to arouse suspicion, I registered my company and showed them the registration certificate. I am a businesswoman!)) You can just register your own fake company. Why didn't you just think of such an idea?)) In my country it is very easy to become a businessman on paper)) I don't think that in other countries it is much more difficult.

 

[lion4000b]

You don't need to hyperventilate and exhale if the hood has exhalation valves,

Can you please explain why?

 

[GasMonkey]

Because is used to lower the amount of CO₂ that you exhale, which is irrelevant in systems with exhalation valves since virtually all the CO₂ is gonna be purged. It's recommended for the ExitBag because it doesn't have exhalation valves, so the first exhalation could increase the CO₂ level in the bag excessively.

 

[itsallpointless]

Can anybody review my equipment list for me?
-scba firefighting mask
-44l helium tank with murex gauge inflator
-tubes and tube clips
What flow rate would I need to set for a 44l tank, and how long will it run for? Also is there any missing equipment?

 

[GasMonkey]

With no demand valve and no reservoir bag, a very high flow rate would be needed to meet the demands of inhalation in the mask. The constant flow air purifiers with masks operate at a huge flow rate (over 60 LPM).

Where are you from and what SCBA mask do you have?

 

[itsallpointless]

With no demand valve and no reservoir bag, a very high flow rate would be needed to meet the demands of inhalation in the mask. The constant flow air purifiers with masks operate at a huge flow rate (over 60 LPM).

Where are you from and what SCBA mask do you have?

I am from Singapore. Have not bought the mask yet, but for your reference, this is the product I am eyeing. https://www.draeger.com/Products/Media/Draeger-Panorama-Nova-01-D-13629-2010.jpg?imwidth=1024
Thanks for the feedback btw. Think it shouldn't be too difficult to get the reservoir bag and demand valve.

 

[GasMonkey]

It would be better to get SCBA parts (regulator + demand valve + mask) and connect it to a Nitrogen cylinder using an air-to-nitrogen adapter like DOGMA67 did (my setup is similar). But first you need to know the connection of the Nitrogen cylinder in your country to see if there is an air-to-nitrogen adapter for it, by what I have seen it should be BS341 No. 3 or BS341 No. 8.

If you have thought about using Helium with SCBA gear, I'm not sure if it would perform well with it, since that equipment is designed for Air (which has almost the same weight as Nitrogen, so it is compatible with it) and Helium is much lighter than Air, you would have to test it to see what happens.

Helium is really good for the ExitBag, coz it has a huge weight difference with CO₂, optimal for CO₂ purging from the bag.

 

[portybarty]

would anyone be abe to explain the difference between SCBA and EEBD? am guessing SCBA is more effective due to the price difference? i can't afford SCBA so wondering if EEBD will do just as well. thanks

 

[GasMonkey]

EEBD is constant flow (pumps gas all the time) and SCBA is on-demand (pumps gas only when needed).

Where are you from?

 

[portybarty]

EEBD is constant flow (pumps gas all the time) and SCBA is on-demand (pumps gas only when needed).

Where are you from?

I'm from the UK. Am hopeless at all the setup and understanding how to compile everything so thought the UK kit from the Canadian site would be simplest...

I'm from the UK. Am hopeless at all the setup and understanding how to compile everything so thought the UK kit from the Canadian site would be simplest...

@GasMonkey would welcome your thoughts on this!

 

[GasMonkey]

wondering if EEBD will do just as well

Yep.
The EEBD is really good too.

 

[itsallpointless]

it should be BS341 No. 3 or BS341 No.8

Yew Cheong (Asiapac)

yewcheong.com.sg

These are the fittings that I can find. Which one woud be appropriate?
Also, just in case the seller asks, what purpose should I provide?

 

[Anzhe]

Maybe my question sounds very stupid, but I will ask it anyway because I am very disoriented. Today I was looking for a nitrogen reducer with a flow meter and faced two problems - firstly, I did not find a nitrogen reducer with a flow meter, for nitrogen there is a large selection of reducers without flow meters. With flowmeters there are many reducers only for argon. Okay - I'll somehow cope with the calculations or just use argon instead of nitrogen. And here's what really surprised me - some models of redusers are much more expensive because they heat up the gas. I know that liquid nitrogen can instantly freeze anything, and so - do I need to purchase a heated gearbox? I guess I give the impression of an absolute idiot - but please don't laugh at me - I'm a woman and have never seen one gas bottle before this moment)) so - do I need a heated gearbox? Suddenly, instead of the desired peaceful dream, I will get only frostbitten ears, because I can't endure even a couple of minutes of what is happening and take off my exit bag?

 

[GasMonkey]

These are the fittings that I can find. Which one woud be appropriate?

The EM site says that the standard in your country is BS341 No.8

You just need to get the cylinder and start from there.

Also, just in case the seller asks, what purpose should I provide?

Welding is a good one.

I was looking for a nitrogen reducer

Where are you from? Russia?
You need to know what's the standard Nitrogen connection in your country to search for a regulator for it.

do I need to purchase a heated gearbox?

Nope, Liquid Nitrogen is not used for this, only gas cylinders.

 

[Anzhe]

Hello. Yes, I will most likely go to Moscow for this and rent an apartments. But in the cylinders, gas is liquefied under pressure - I thought that it was liquid nitrogen, especially when I was looking for a regulator, I saw that many of them have a heating function - this made me nervous because it seems I have no idea at all about what is it.

 

[Mare Imbrium]

Is this kind of flow meter suitable for a constant flow oft 15 l/ min or do I need an additional pressure reducer?

 

[GasMonkey]

Yeah it's suitable, it has an integrated flow meter.

 

[bpdblackout]

I was walking around a very popular pet/farm supply store, and saw Ar cylinders for welding. How do you buy this as a 20 something female that's obviously not a welder? I was thinking about using the "student teacher/science experiment" excuse if questioned but idk if that's gonna fly.

Not going dark net. When your nose isn't clean in life you shouldn't fuck around on the dark web.

 

[Apo101]

Where is the mask? I don't see it.

Assuming the SCBA regulator is DIN#13 (looks like it is in the photos, it's the standard Air connection in EU) and the cylinder is DIN477 Nr.10 (standard N₂ connection in EU except for countries with its own standard), yes, that setup is valid to use with that air-to-nitrogen adapter.

My setup is similar (SCBA with air-to-nitrogen adapter) but from a different brand.

Scott Safety Promask Helmaske Overtrykk Clamps

Promask overtrykksmaske med hjelm-klips

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Helmaske overtrykk Vision 3 M/L | Scott Safety

Scott Safety Vision 3 er komfortabel i bruk med silikontetning og gir et vidt synsfelt. Kommer i flere størrelser og fås med stropp eller clamps til brannhjelm. Overtrykksmaske | SG Safety

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Helmaske Promask overtrykksmaske M/L | Scott Safety

Promask overtrykksmaske er utformet for å gi effektiv tetning med minimalt trykk mot ansiktet. Designet gir lav pustemotstand og lav belastning selv ved lang tids bruk. Panoramavisir.

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Will any of these work? Any one preferable over other?

 

[GasMonkey]

Will any of these work? Any one preferable over other?

Any SCBA mask is valid as long as it's compatible with the Lung Demand Valve of your equipment. Normally the best mask will be the most modern/most recently released one, they usually have improvements VS older models.

I prefer the neoprene strap style harness instead of the net style harness (you can pick the harness that you want usually).

Btw the first and third masks are the same, the first one is for firefighting helmets (clamps instead of harness) even tho they have used the harness version photo in both.

Ar cylinders

Helium or Nitrogen is better due to being lighter (more weight difference with CO₂). Nitrogen is the most compatible with different types of setups (SCBA, EEBD, Hood, ExitBag).

excuse if questioned but idk if that's gonna fly.

Buy online.

dark net

What? Dark net is not needed at all for the inert gas method since all of the components are 100% legal.

 

[itsallpointless]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if you stop exhaling at 15l/minute do your lungs rupture?

 

[GasMonkey]

Nop.

 

[jotoon]

my friend try with pure argon(argon that use for laboratory purpose) and he got panic.
I thing It is a necessary step to band your hand and even feet .
I want go with nitrogen and eebd and of course a handcuff.
It is not mention in ppeh and other resources but I see so many people experience panic and get off the exit bag without thay are notice what thay do.

 

[GasMonkey]

he got panic.

Too much CO₂ accumulation due to insufficient flow rate, or insufficient gap in the neck, or he didn't fully empty his lungs before inserting his head into the bag (so the first exhalation filled the bag with CO₂), or he didn't hyperventilate before starting to reduce plasmatic CO₂ concentration.​

Argon is the worst gas to use with the ExitBag due to its weight (less eficient CO₂ purging).
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/x.79943/#post-1430861
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/x.79943/#post-1682926
The best gas for the ExitBag is Helium (huge weight difference with CO₂) followed by Nitrogen.

I thing It is a necessary step to band your hand and even feet .

Yeah but to prevent possible movements while unconscious, not to prevent you from removing the bag if something goes wrong. The process must be peaceful, not forced. If it's not peaceful you are doing something wrong. Anyway only minor movements were noticed in the Dignitas and Russel Ogden studies.​

I want go with nitrogen and eebd

The EEBD hood has exhalation valves so CO₂ is not a problem. Also it is professionally manufactured instead of being homemade like the ExitBag (which is a very significant advantage).​

handcuff.

Straps are enough.

It is not mention in ppeh and other resources but I see so many people experience panic and get off the exit bag without thay are notice what thay do.

Using Argon instead of Helium/Nitrogen + doing something wrong.
All those problems are removed using Nitrogen with the newer implementations (SCBA and EEBD).​

 

[jotoon]

thanks so much.

 

[goober]

could anyone predict what would happen if I used a 220 litre nitrogen gas tank with a psi of 1500?

 

[GasMonkey]

220 litre nitrogen gas tank with a psi of 1500?

What's the original pressure of that cylinder when it is full?