Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[exitingtothevoid]

I read somewhere that helium is the best gas for this purpose.

One thing to be careful of: the helium in those balloon helium cylinders that are sold in a lot of stores is almost always mixed with air. Those used to be pure helium and could be used to CTB, but not anymore.

To get pure helium you would have to go to a welding/industrial gases seller, where nitrogen is also available for much lower cost.

 

[indocanda]

The Americana click style nitrogen regulator from EscMode

Pm you! Can you please check

 

[Mitch3ll]

Hi friends. trying to rapidly learn everything I can about Nitrogen in a short time, but I struggle with reading and learning disabilities along with double vision so reading is just that much more difficult. That being said I've read the top of the page that @TiredHorse wrote but I'm having trouble figuring out the sizing that we Canadians use.

Does anyone here have the conversions for the Canadian markets (West Coast, BC, Vancouver) so when I call I can not sound to suspicious. It looks like most places that serve NitroBrew needs work in pounds. So 40lb, 60lb bottle. I have no idea if that's enough because I don't know how to work the conversions and there's over a 170 pages here to work though.

TiredHorse suggests a 40cf bottle or no less than 600l but when I look at my local vendors online they all use different measurements and my google searching skills are absolute trash, all I get are ads for US based companies.

That all being said, does anyone know the best place in Vancouver to source my supply of gas for my at home NitroCoffee and NitroGin needs Linde ?
Thanks in advance.

"In the US, a 20 cubic foot (cf) cylinder is the smallest you should use for ctb; a 40cf will allow some margin for flinching, practicing, etc. "A 20cf" and "a 40cf", or "a 20" and "a 40" is nomenclature US welding supply houses will recognize, so asking for either should get you the desired product. A 20cf cylinder is quite small for industrial use; I've had clerks tell me, "well, we have a 40, but we'll need to special order a 20." It's up to you what you do in that situation. Personally, I have a 40cf cylinder. It has allowed me to flinch and abort my attempt three times now, and I don't need to worry about refilling it. I bought my N2 at AirGas, a national company here in the US. They do not demand any sort of professional certification for purchasing inert gas, and no more than the usual forms of ID depending on payment method.

I know nothing of gas cylinders outside the US, so if you are using other than US-typical cylinders, you'll need to call and ask to make sure whatever tank you're contemplating holds 600L of compressed gas. Hopefully knowledgeable forum members will add cylinder sizing information to this knowledge base."

 

[chester]

In case anyone is wondering about argon flow meters, I did an experiment today. There was 150bar left in my 8l cylinder which should give 1200l. I set the flow regulator to 25lpm (but after some time I noticed the ball went a bit higher). It took 55 minutes for the cylinder to empty, which means 25lpm indicated on the argon flow meter should be about 21lpm of actual nitrogen flow.

The key takeaway is that the actual nitrogen flow is LESS than the argon flow meter shows. If someone wants to be sure they're getting enough nitrogen, I'd recommend to follow the 70% rule, even though in my case it seems it was over 80%. Nonetheless, better safe than sorry.

 

[indocanda]

Nitrogen regulator click style on the that famous Chinese site (you obviously know which one am talking about) are those good? They are selling at low price but didn't mentioned medical grade anywhere, is that has to be medical grade?

The Americana click style nitrogen regulator from EscMode

Sorry to bother you again. Can u please check pm again

 

[kudaphillips]

Nitrogen regulator click style on the that famous Chinese site (you obviously know which one am talking about) are those good? They are selling at low price but didn't mentioned medical grade anywhere, is that has to be medical grade?

Sorry to bother you again. Can u please check pm again

I don't think you're gonna find anyone say not to use any particular regulator . Even the Amazon 20$ ones should be able to work for a single use. If you were a welder buying one we'd tell you hell no get a better one . I haven't seen anyone say anything bad about alibaba click style regulators . Give it a few tests , get some confidence in it .
Even the max dog regulator pph recommends people say is garbage and not worth the money, prob same exact thing as the alibaba ones tbh.
I have several regulators , from cheap 20$ ones to the max dog400$ one. They all work . Big box stores in my area offer a quality regulator for 100$ that welders use and rely on, I have this as well and will prob use it . Not sure what country you're in and how available thy are .

 

[indocanda]

I don't think you're gonna find anyone say not to use any particular regulator . Even the Amazon 20$ ones should be able to work for a single use. If you were a welder buying one we'd tell you hell no get a better one . I haven't seen anyone say anything bad about alibaba click style regulators . Give it a few tests , get some confidence in it .
Even the max dog regulator pph recommends people say is garbage and not worth the money, prob same exact thing as the alibaba ones tbh.
I have several regulators , from cheap 20$ ones to the max dog400$ one. They all work . Big box stores in my area offer a quality regulator for 100$ that welders use and rely on, I have this as well and will prob use it . Not sure what country you're in and how available thy are .

I really appreciate your reply. I am in Canada. How to test that click style nitrogen regulator? Can you pm me with one you have?

 

[OverIt1976]

This is another method I'm thinking about. Do they sell the CO already filled in tanks? I am thinking about using my CPaP mask since it has a hose, and I can block most of the holes. I'm so challenged with industrial things like this. I thought about renting a helium tank from a party store since they are already equipped with regulators.

 

[LJ85]

I'm totally new to this method, so I apologize for my ignorance. In short, I don't understand how this method works. So, on a very basic level, I understand that you stick your head in a big turkey bag with a hose releasing the inert gas, and then tighten the bag with a drawstring. But even if you tighten the drawstring, isn't there still a small opening where oxygen can get in and out of the bag?

 

[Ehloco]

Tried it once. The sound freaked me out.

 

[kudaphillips]

I really appreciate your reply. I am in Canada. How to test that click style nitrogen regulator? Can you pm me with one you have?

Well there's a couple ways to test .

1. You just proceed with the method as if your going to do it. But don't do the last step (pulling bag down from your forehead ).
2. Get a dummy head , and secure the bag over it at desired tension
3. You could actually do the whole process and begin to inhale the gas and just bail. Some people use a oximeter to watch their o2 levels decrease then pull the bag off.
4. Some people even suggest to run the entire tank until it's empty to ensure th time and functionality of the equipment works. I like this but it's hard enough to go fill up the gas and deal with all that I don't want to . But I have double tanks should be good

Basically I was just saying, test the regulator and make sure it fills up the bag and works and everything. 15 lpm he bag should be pretty full in a minute. 25 lpm about 30 seconds

I have a max dog brewing regulator 300$
an amz argon regulator 20$
Harbor freight argon regulator 100$
Alibaba nitrogen regulator 50$
A genssi argon regulator 30$

All work

I'm totally new to this method, so I apologize for my ignorance. In short, I don't understand how this method works. So, on a very basic level, I understand that you stick your head in a big turkey bag with a hose releasing the inert gas, and then tighten the bag with a drawstring. But even if you tighten the drawstring, isn't there still a small opening where oxygen can get in and out of the bag?

You definitely want to read the procedure from gird horse on th first page of th thread. The procedure need to be done correctly m with th right materials

You got the jist, yes. When th gas is flowing at high rate , it creates a positive pressure inside th bag, so much gas is being forced out the bottom, no air can get in. If you experiment , you'll feel pretty comfortable that no air gets in when you feel th gas rushing out the bottom , and feeling what that positive pressure feels like

 

[stopmesuffering]

Thanks

 

[Allla]

Привет из России! Хотела сегодня заказать N в баллоне 6,0 (99,9999), мне сказали, что он доставляется только в 40 литровых баллонах. Ужасный. Боюсь брать 5,0 (99 999)
Действительно ли N 6.0 (99.9999) я могу заказать only в баллоне 40 литров

 

[DanielDanDean]

Hello friends,
It seems that my day will come because I have everything I need, or so I think.

I bought a 2L 200bar bottle as instructed in the PPH, a regulator, a hose.. I made the exit bag following the PPH.

Now i'm quite scared and hope you'll reassure me :

- How much time does it take to die? I have 1 hour of time without supervision but it's possible that people may look for me after, I read that it takes 10 minutes but I'm trying to make sure about that
- If I fail how long will I take to wake up?
- What are the common problems leading to a fail in this method?

Thanks a lot..

 

[kudaphillips]

Hello friends,
It seems that my day will come because I have everything I need, or so I think.

I bought a 2L 200bar bottle as instructed in the PPH, a regulator, a hose.. I made the exit bag following the PPH.

Now i'm quite scared and hope you'll reassure me :

- How much time does it take to die? I have 1 hour of time without supervision but it's possible that people may look for me after, I read that it takes 10 minutes but I'm trying to make sure about that
- If I fail how long will I take to wake up?
- What are the common problems leading to a fail in this method?

Thanks a lot..

Possible sources of failure could be

- gas purity
- flinching or bailing
-too slow of a gas flow
-improper bag construction

Definitely make sure your gas is over 99%, make sure you use the proper elastic for your bag, make sure your tank is big enough, make sure you have a comfortable chair and maybe consider buying some straps to keep your self fitting in the correct position

 

[ramon]

I have received a lot of great information from various threads on here about this method; I'd hate to see someone use this site as their sole source of information no matter how thorough.

Hello there. It's not my intention to confront you, but to get your opinion to be better informed on how to make this work for me:

What would you consider enough information for someone trying to CTB via N2?

In my case, my only sources of information are two books, this forum, and studying the cases of Kenneth Eugene Smith and Alan Eugene Miller.

Any corrections are highly appreciated.

 

[MBG]

Looks like Exit found new, small inexpensive canisters of nitrogen available via mail worldwide. Sounds worth looking into for those considering an Exit Bag.

Exit Intl: new, small, cheap, disposable compressed Nitrogen cylinders!

I wonder if these could fix the problem with the Respiro Rebreather lll? Would they work with an Exit bag? Since first use of Sarco has been delayed, yet again, investigating alternatives. +++ The August 2024 Update to the Peaceful Pil eHandbook focuses upon a new range of small, discrete...

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[kudaphillips]

Looks like Exit found new, small inexpensive canisters of nitrogen available via mail worldwide. Sounds worth looking into for those considering an Exit Bag.

Exit Intl: new, small, cheap, disposable compressed Nitrogen cylinders!

I wonder if these could fix the problem with the Respiro Rebreather lll? Would they work with an Exit bag? Since first use of Sarco has been delayed, yet again, investigating alternatives. +++ The August 2024 Update to the Peaceful Pil eHandbook focuses upon a new range of small, discrete...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Nice. Don't know why one wouldn't just get nitrogen tank easy cheap readily available

Hello there. It's not my intention to confront you, but to get your opinion to be better informed on how to make this work for me:

What would you consider enough information for someone trying to CTB via N2?

In my case, my only sources of information are two books, this forum, and studying the cases of Kenneth Eugene Smith and Alan Eugene Miller.

Any corrections are highly appreciated.

This forum is 800 times better than anything final exit or pph: final exit offers zero information on anything method related , even their clown exit guides will NOT discuss methodology unless you're accepted , which they only take old sick dying people
. I wouldn't pay much attention to this comment , there's only so much information on this stuff , this forum not only encompasses all inert gas methods , including PPH methodology, it has discussion , videos , anecdotes , wealth of knowledge on the subject . Exit int and final exit won't even discuss methodology or answer Any questions unless you travel 8000 miles to one of their " workshops ". And tbh it's not rocket science . Even th PPh knowledge is perfectly sufficient and provide enough information to successfully use the method of this was the only source one had at his disposal .

ASide from that there's a lot of misinformation in the mainstream which can't be trusted . The governing entities do not want us to be able to suicide comfortably . They want us alive and slaves to the system , slaves to big pharma .

 

[Savemysoul86]

Exit Bag and Inert Gas Basics —A very, very long post, I know, but I feel like I've fielded a lot of questions about this, so I figured I'd spell out everything I know. Others on the forum should please add to this thread whatever reliable technical information they feel is appropriate for someone attempting this method to have.

The idea behind using an exit bag with inert gas is to create an atmosphere around your head that is both free of life-sustaining O2 and can carry away the exhaled CO2 that would activate your hypercapnic alarm.

The Gas:

You will need to keep the inert gas flowing at 15 liters per minute (Lpm) for 40 minutes to be confident of ending your life —in other words, you'll need a minimum of 600 liters of inert gas. In the past this would have been helium (He), but due to the uncertain availability of genuinely pure He, the best current options are nitrogen (N2) and argon (Ar). Both are reliably available in pure form (no air contamination) from stores that supply welders. N2 is also available from some brewery supply houses, but the purity of the gas should be confirmed to your satisfaction. Both N2 and Ar should work to ctb and are similar enough in their properties to be treated identically for use with an exit bag.

Pressurized gas cylinder sizes are not standardized across the industry, nor internationally, and it can be difficult, if not impossible, to tell how much gas they contain from a photograph on a website.

In the US, a 20 cubic foot (cf) cylinder is the smallest you should use for ctb; a 40cf will allow some margin for flinching, practicing, etc. "A 20cf" and "a 40cf", or "a 20" and "a 40" is nomenclature US welding supply houses will recognize, so asking for either should get you the desired product. A 20cf cylinder is quite small for industrial use; I've had clerks tell me, "well, we have a 40, but we'll need to special order a 20." It's up to you what you do in that situation. Personally, I have a 40cf cylinder. It has allowed me to flinch and abort my attempt three times now, and I don't need to worry about refilling it. I bought my N2 at AirGas, a national company here in the US. They do not demand any sort of professional certification for purchasing inert gas, and no more than the usual forms of ID depending on payment method.

I know nothing of gas cylinders outside the US, so if you are using other than US-typical cylinders, you'll need to call and ask to make sure whatever tank you're contemplating holds 600L of compressed gas. Hopefully knowledgeable forum members will add cylinder sizing information to this knowledge base.

Cover story: N2 and Ar are both used for welding. N2 is used in beer brewing. In my day job, I use both N2 and Ar to flood partial cans of expensive paint, to displace the O2 in the cans and prevent the paint from skinning over and going bad. It's a cost saving measure. The clerks I've bought gas from have never heard of that trick, which has meant they don't know enough to interrogate me on my motives or to try and quiz me on my welding knowledge. They have merely said, "huh! That's a new one!"

The store clerk may ask how you're carrying the pressurized cylinder "back to your shop," since pressurized cylinders can be very hazardous to transport (the valve is vulnerable to damage in an accident). I haven't had any trouble when I have told the clerk, "in the back footwell of my car, and very carefully padded!" What they really want to know is that you are aware that a pressurized cylinder is a missile waiting to explode if anything damages it, and that you know enough to not let that happen.

What do you mean by flinch? Did it go wrong? Also how much did all your

Exit Bag and Inert Gas Basics —A very, very long post, I know, but I feel like I've fielded a lot of questions about this, so I figured I'd spell out everything I know. Others on the forum should please add to this thread whatever reliable technical information they feel is appropriate for someone attempting this method to have.

The idea behind using an exit bag with inert gas is to create an atmosphere around your head that is both free of life-sustaining O2 and can carry away the exhaled CO2 that would activate your hypercapnic alarm.

The Gas:

You will need to keep the inert gas flowing at 15 liters per minute (Lpm) for 40 minutes to be confident of ending your life —in other words, you'll need a minimum of 600 liters of inert gas. In the past this would have been helium (He), but due to the uncertain availability of genuinely pure He, the best current options are nitrogen (N2) and argon (Ar). Both are reliably available in pure form (no air contamination) from stores that supply welders. N2 is also available from some brewery supply houses, but the purity of the gas should be confirmed to your satisfaction. Both N2 and Ar should work to ctb and are similar enough in their properties to be treated identically for use with an exit bag.

Pressurized gas cylinder sizes are not standardized across the industry, nor internationally, and it can be difficult, if not impossible, to tell how much gas they contain from a photograph on a website.

In the US, a 20 cubic foot (cf) cylinder is the smallest you should use for ctb; a 40cf will allow some margin for flinching, practicing, etc. "A 20cf" and "a 40cf", or "a 20" and "a 40" is nomenclature US welding supply houses will recognize, so asking for either should get you the desired product. A 20cf cylinder is quite small for industrial use; I've had clerks tell me, "well, we have a 40, but we'll need to special order a 20." It's up to you what you do in that situation. Personally, I have a 40cf cylinder. It has allowed me to flinch and abort my attempt three times now, and I don't need to worry about refilling it. I bought my N2 at AirGas, a national company here in the US. They do not demand any sort of professional certification for purchasing inert gas, and no more than the usual forms of ID depending on payment method.

I know nothing of gas cylinders outside the US, so if you are using other than US-typical cylinders, you'll need to call and ask to make sure whatever tank you're contemplating holds 600L of compressed gas. Hopefully knowledgeable forum members will add cylinder sizing information to this knowledge base.

Cover story: N2 and Ar are both used for welding. N2 is used in beer brewing. In my day job, I use both N2 and Ar to flood partial cans of expensive paint, to displace the O2 in the cans and prevent the paint from skinning over and going bad. It's a cost saving measure. The clerks I've bought gas from have never heard of that trick, which has meant they don't know enough to interrogate me on my motives or to try and quiz me on my welding knowledge. They have merely said, "huh! That's a new one!"

The store clerk may ask how you're carrying the pressurized cylinder "back to your shop," since pressurized cylinders can be very hazardous to transport (the valve is vulnerable to damage in an accident). I haven't had any trouble when I have told the clerk, "in the back footwell of my car, and very carefully padded!" What they really want to know is that you are aware that a pressurized cylinder is a missile waiting to explode if anything damages it, and that you know enough to not let that happen.

What do you mean by flinch? Did it fail? Also how much did all yours supplies cost?

 

[TheDepartureLounge]

Helium nitrogen argon . All work, helium and nitorgen are better because they're lighter. Nitrogen easier to obtain 99.9% purity. I've seen a lot of people with issues with helium because of purity .

I've been looking at helium. Unfortunately specialist suppliers in my country (England) only make commercial deliveries so it's really hard to get hold of.

Recently however I found an eBay outlet selling disposable bottles of balloon gas containing 0.41 cubic meters of helium. This is 410 liters if I'm not mistaken. Anyway I seem to remember reading that should be enough so I got in touch.

The seller confirmed the figure and told me they fill the bottles themselves using helium from the biggest supplier on the market, that it's 'Grade A, 99% purity' with impurities at 1% (which is how his supplier advertises it since I managed to track it down).

99% is N2 grade I think, so I told him I was looking for N4 for leak-testing but thought this might do if he could break down the proportions for me and assure me it involved no 80/20 mix of helium and oxygen, which he seemed happy to do.

I'm taking his word for what they fill the bottle with but we take everything on trust in the end. Is 410 liters enough and, more especially, is 99% an acceptable purity level? I've been led to believe that anything less than 99.99% - or maybe 99.9% minimum - is too risky.

Thanks for any advice

 

[kudaphillips]

What do you mean by flinch? Did it go wrong? Also how much did all your

What do you mean by flinch? Did it fail? Also how much did all yours supplies cost?

Flinch just means , bail or abort the process .

I've been looking at helium. Unfortunately specialist suppliers in my country (England) only make commercial deliveries so it's really hard to get hold of.

Recently however I found an eBay outlet selling disposable bottles of balloon gas containing 0.41 cubic meters of helium. This is 410 liters if I'm not mistaken. Anyway I seem to remember reading that should be enough so I got in touch.

The seller confirmed the figure and told me they fill the bottles themselves using helium from the biggest supplier on the market, that it's 'Grade A, 99% purity' with impurities at 1% (which is how his supplier advertises it since I managed to track it down).

99% is N2 grade I think, so I told him I was looking for N4 for leak-testing but thought this might do if he could break down the proportions for me and assure me it involved no 80/20 mix of helium and oxygen, which he seemed happy to do.

I'm taking his word for what they fill the bottle with but we take everything on trust in the end. Is 410 liters enough and, more especially, is 99% an acceptable purity level? I've been led to believe that anything less than 99.99% - or maybe 99.9% minimum - is too risky.

Thanks for any advice

I'm more versed on USA tanks, but pretty sure 400 liters is about 26 minutes of gas at 15 lom which is enough to ctb.Hooefully someone else clarifies this .
Also , 99% and above is the acceptable gas purity . But you might want to test the purity with a cy-12c oxygen purity sensor. They about 60-75$ I think Also what you could do if money isn't an issue is just get double tanks to ensure you have enough gas

 

[Overit90]

Can someone post links to the actual items they bought? I'm having a hard time sourcing items.

I want to get all of the items and do it this week if possible.

 

[Allla]

я'm almost ready)

 

[Allla]

Hi, if for my head doesn't fall forward I use the Shanz collar?

 

[christinadler]

How about using a large (200l +) bag filled completely with nitrogen and securing it tightly around the neck...? Wouldn't it be as effective as having a continuous flow of gas?
Passing out would happen way quicker than CO2 level reaching the critical value. In my opinion.
Change my mind.

 

[kudaphillips]

Hi, if for my head doesn't fall forward I use the Shanz collar?

That doesn't look like it I'll work well because the bag or hood needs to be secure around the neck .
Try a bungy chord wrapped around the chair

How about using a large (200l +) bag filled completely with nitrogen and securing it tightly around the neck...? Wouldn't it be as effective as having a continuous flow of gas?
Passing out would happen way quicker than CO2 level reaching the critical value. In my opinion.
Change my mind.

Anything is possible , but if you had access to nitrogen to fill a large bag with nitrogen why wouldn't you just do the continuous flow procedure ? A lot of oxygen would probably get in when you would open it and secure it around your neck if there's no continuous flow . Not to mention you actually exhale a lot of oxygen when breathing . But yes if the area is large enough devoid of oxygen ( like on an airplane) this isn't an issue .
Also Co2 isn't even really a concern at the higher lpm, and specially with the eebd hood with exhale valve .

Anything is possible but me personally this is going to be challenging enough mentally to accomplish, I feel much better doing tried and true methods . Certainly doesn't mean there isn't a million ways to die with nitrogen that aren't by the popular methods

 

[christinadler]

Thanks for the feedback!

I have another question. What do you think about this method: sealing the bag tightly around the neck and inserting a tube through a hole at the top of the bag? A second tube could be installed to allow excess gas to escape, with the end of this tube placed in a bucket of water to prevent air from flowing back into the bag.
This design would make sure one way flow of the gas.

 

[kudaphillips]

Thanks for the feedback!

I have another question. What do you think about this method: sealing the bag tightly around the neck and inserting a tube through a hole at the top of the bag? A second tube could be installed to allow excess gas to escape, with the end of this tube placed in a bucket of water to prevent air from flowing back into the bag.
This design would make sure one way flow of the gas.

I mean … I personally dont think it would work any better than the regular way.

Poking holes in the bag will just create unnecessary vectors of air getting in. I wouldn't trust a premade hole once unconscious , it could get bigger from stretching as the bag is filled with air , an air could get in .In my opinion .

What's wrong with the regular method ?

 

[christinadler]

I mean … I personally dont think it would work any better than the regular way.

Poking holes in the bag will just create unnecessary vectors of air getting in. I wouldn't trust a premade hole once unconscious , it could get bigger from stretching as the bag is filled with air , an air could get in .In my opinion .

What's wrong with the regular method ?

Cutting one upper corner of the bag and leading two tubes through that, tightly squeezing them with duck tape or something stronger, and making them completely sealed with a sponge... Creating a hermetically closed system with a guaranteed one way flow of gas sounds more reliable to me than putting up a tube through a loose neck segment.

 

[kudaphillips]

Cutting one upper corner of the bag and leading two tubes through that, tightly squeezing them with duck tape or something stronger, and making them completely sealed with a sponge... Creating a hermetically closed system with a guaranteed one way flow of gas sounds more reliable to me than putting up a tube through a loose neck segment.

confidence is key.

Go for it , Interest in what the rig look like , send a pic if you make it