Venting Existence is so harmful.

[FuneralCry]

It really is such a terrible burden having the ability to exist here in this hellish reality, existence is nothing more than an unnecessary harm which is why I'm disgusted by life worshippers, toxic positivity and those who act like suicidal thoughts are the problem and are something to "recover" from.

No the reality is that wishing for non-existence is what makes sense to me, existence is so futile and disgusting, I despise how existence has caused so much unnecessary torment to be experienced all throughout history, existence itself is the true problem.

And I find it hard to take people seriously when they go on about how there is "hope" in existing, like that's just so insulting to the fact that there is unlimited potential to suffer endlessly in this world all while we are slowly dying, destined to decay from age. All that existence does is cause harm and all that's inevitable is even more suffering. Non-existence is the only relief as it finally means one is free from everything and they cannot suffer for all eternity, I only envy those who die as existence is just so undeniably harmful.

 

[The anhedonic one]

All of human existence eventually leads to suffering, no matter how hard we try to avoid it.

 

[Baron]

I don't think existence is necessarily harmful but pointless. I don't understand why there is only so many people who understand that life has no meaning. There are a lot of well educated individuals in this world, yet most of them seem to enjoy life and degrade suicide. That's something I'll never understand.

 

[Madao]

I always believed, and still believe, that humans have the capacity to treat others decently. Not only that, but that they can work together to overcome any of the natural hardships that are outside of our control. To me, dispair and hope are two sides of the same coin. You can either give up in the face of evil believing that it is undefeatable or work and believe that it can be overcome. Both are mentalities, state of minds, emotions, and not based on any real concrete reason for their conclusion. EX: "We should just die." Why? "Because our existence causes suffering" VS "We should all live" Why? "Because existence causes joy". It's whether the individual values the good in life over the bad more, or if the bad are valued more than the good. I don't think one is predominent over the other.

That's how I see it. I don't think there's anything wrong with losing hope or being full of it though.

 

[Mirrory Me]

Sounds heavy. I hear aggression in your speech, is it because of sadness? What made you give up hope? I guess there is something in life to be grateful for.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Sounds heavy. I hear aggression in your speech, is it because of sadness? What made you give up hope? I guess there is something in life to be grateful for.

With @FuneralCry there isn't.

 

[Tobacco]

Since I realized I'm not someone chosen by god and that I still can have any kind of horrible death I have a scream trapped in my throat.

I agree that suicidal thoughts can be rational because what should we fix instead is this broken world. If we could live in a paradise earth away from any pain I doubt as many people would be suicidal as there are right now.

 

[Jolene79]

I think for alot of people suicidal thoughts really are something worth trying to recover from - only if their situation has the potential for it.

Life is absolutely suffering and so many hideous things go in in this world. Many find and experience joy in spite of that and it's possible their current suffering is temporary.

I get that for many there is too much to even try overcome. It's all a complex mix of genetics, environmental situation, prior experiences/childhood. It's complex and therefore different in each case.

If I hear a young person is terribly suicidal over a failed romantic relationship,I definitely would hope they could find a way through it, because there's hope there it is a temporary state

 

[MrDarkness]

Suffering can't be avoided, pain can't be either. Sure some can tough it out, some can't and there isn't no shame in it,

Also I was gonna pm this to you funeral but your dms are off, so curious questions, what has kept you around for so long? Usually people with beliefs such as yourself would've been long gone. I'm not saying anything or insulting you, I'm just curious

 

[suicidalloser]

I always believed, and still believe, that humans have the capacity to treat others decently. Not only that, but that they can work together to overcome any of the natural hardships that are outside of our control.

so why haven't they done so? how long as it been? 7, 10 years. Give another 3 and i'll be dead from pain.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I also despise existence for myself but I think 'hope' is simply a tool we either choose to use or not when we feel like we're stuck with living.

I think hope is what people sometimes use as a coping mechanism. They may not even entirely believe in it themselves. For whatever reason- even if people want to CTB- they may realise that they can't just now. So then- I suppose they need to decide on how to make their time left here as bearable as possible. Some people prefer to face up to the harsh realities of life and immerse themselves in the suffering. For others though- maybe they can't cope with how upsetting/ debhilitating that is.

It also comes down to their situation. If they don't HAVE to support themselves- then they have the 'luxury' of doing or not doing whatever they want. If you have to support yourself- especially financially- you need to motivate yourself to do things- find work, go to work, put up with a job and work environment and people you maybe hate. Having 'hope' can aid in this. It's almost a 'tool' that helps you cope in situations you find difficult. If you don't hope for things to improve- likelihood is- you won't do anything to make them improve. Hope is like an aim. Life's that much harder when you're aimless I think.

How can people even go for ambitions without hope? Sometimes the only way we can cope with our desperately unhappy lives is to hope that they may get better. I think most of us at least hope that things don't get worse! It may be delussional. Our lives may indeed only get worse but some people probably find dwelling on that idea only makes their life worse now.

It kind of does depend on whether you NEED to motivate yourself to do certain things in life. If your basic needs are being taken care of- you simply don't need to strive for anything. But if you do have to look after yourself- it's EXTREMELY difficult to do this without any hope or motivation.

We are all certainly bound for the grave. What difference does it really make just how happy or sad, hopeful or hopeless a person is on their journey? Maybe it's more 'honest' to feel unhappy and hopeless- but- what reward will you really get for that at the end? For the delussional/ happy people out there- maybe their world will come crashing down at the end, maybe it won't. While I don't exactly understand their worldview- I wonder if they've got the 'better' perspective. We all die anyway- wouldn't it be nicer to have had some happy memories along the way rather than constant torment? Each to their own though.

I can't say I regret having hope though. Not that I have much now! At least some of the things I hoped for- I got in life- because I worked REALLY hard to get them. They may not have been exactly what I'd hoped for once I got them of course! In the end- I'm here afterall but still- they gave me some happy moments/ feelings of fulfilment along the way. Personally, I'm grateful for hope to some extent- although I've learnt to temper it because false hope is awful. Still- it's been a distraction for me. I think my 33 years of ideation would have been a whole lot worse without it. It at least gave me periods that were slightly less intense than they are now.

 

[sayire]

It really is such a terrible burden having the ability to exist here in this hellish reality, existence is nothing more than an unnecessary harm which is why I'm disgusted by life worshippers, toxic positivity and those who act like suicidal thoughts are the problem and are something to "recover" from.

No the reality is that wishing for non-existence is what makes sense to me, existence is so futile and disgusting, I despise how existence has caused so much unnecessary torment to be experienced all throughout history, existence itself is the true problem.

And I find it hard to take people seriously when they go on about how there is "hope" in existing, like that's just so insulting to the fact that there is unlimited potential to suffer endlessly in this world all while we are slowly dying, destined to decay from age. All that existence does is cause harm and all that's inevitable is even more suffering. Non-existence is the only relief as it finally means one is free from everything and they cannot suffer for all eternity, I only envy those who die as existence is just so undeniably harmful.

Hi FuneralCry, I read many of your posts and now that I am a member can reply too!

I 100% agree with toxic positivity, it is arguably invisible but more harmful than open negativity.

I also agree 100% about it should be possible to discuss suicide in a more open minded way than it is today, which is basically nothing - nada - zero. So this is a serious state that bothers me a lot and it is disgusting that it is the state we humans are in.

I do disagree with you on your take on hope. I think hope is a beautiful thing. Of course blind no bounds hope is a different matter and if you are talking about the blind-n-bounds-hope I am more in appreciation of what you say.

From reading your posts, you are about human non-existence. I feel your pain to arrive at a situation like that. Who knows I may arrive there some day myself too (full disclosure - I was not suicidal and even felt people who commit suicide were selfish only 5 years ago. Now I know the truth is lot different than what I felt as truth 5 years ago).