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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,801
Everytime I join a support group for one of my conditions, the discussions there make me utterly disheartened and miserable. If I share my story, I am told how strong I am, and to just hold out a few years longer, because there is still hope for a cure. Fuck off.

I can pour my heart out to people who are supposed to understand, only to be met with pro life platitudes and optimism bias tainted sentiments. I am so tired of being told that I need help, only for the so called help to make me feel even lousier.

You would expect those who suffer from chronic illnesses themselves to have empathy and compassion for their fellow sufferers. Instead, I am told that I need to "be more resilient", "cut toxic people out of my life" and never lose hope "because I am so young and will grow thicker skin with time, age 22 is nothing! "

Do other people not comprehend that when you are disabled, you cannot simply block everyone out of your life who hurts or annoys you? When your livelihood depends on the magnanimous support of others, you can't go trekking off to the mountains in search of a hermit's solitude.

I am sick of being given the same cookie cutter advice over and over again that serves no purpose except to placate one's optimistic worldview and continually encourage the disparaged to remain docile in the face of piss-poor, crumbling welfare systems.

It leaves me seething that people would rather see you suffer immensely and be crippled by disease forever as opposed to accepting your wishes. News flash, if a magic cure for all my illnesses suddenly emerged, it would not erase all the years of youth lost nor the memories of anguish I've had to endure.

Despite me lamenting in great detail about how therapy has been so useless (and even damaging, at times) for me, people in a CFS group were you guessed it, telling me to seek therapy once again.

Yet somehow this go around will be different if I somehow find "the one" who take things slower than they would with a physically healthy client. You think they'd adjust the price for that, since such a thing would inevitably have to be sought privately? No way. It wouldn't help either, as I am well aware of what these talk therapies entail.

I'm at the stage where people throwing meager bones at me in a futile attempt to spark hope only fuels angry rather than relief. No matter where I go, no one understands what I'm going through. In CFS groups they won't understand ptsd and autism. In autism groups, they don't understand cfs and chronic pain. There are very few people on this earth who happen to suffer from all the maladies I do, who can relate to this hellish experience.

I hate being told to be more resilient. It makes me want to snap even more. It makes me want to impulsively ctb right now and not give a damn. Because you know what, these people will never have to endure my suffering, so how can they say with any amount of confidence that I do not have thick skin?

Come back to me when you are crippled by physical illnesses ravaging you, autism coupled with its lovely consequences (mutism, dyspraxia), years upon years of trauma, having no family, and being too disabled to function in the workplace or school. People expect you to cheerily embrace poverty, isolation, and misery solely because you were unlucky enough to end up disabled.

I will not resign myself to this abhorrent quality of life. If I cannot do the things everyone else can, my life is not worth living. People do not understand this and think you should learn "radical acceptance" in order to cope with your new second class citizen status.

I will not accept being gaslit, mistreated, fobbed off, and existing in a perpetual state of disadvantage until I inevitably succumb to mortality like everyone else does- old, febrile and immobilised in a hospital bed. Why am I forced to live like this?

Why am I not allowed to die? If people would deny me this right, then they are no better than the oppressors who perpetuate the aforementioned toxicity towards vunerable people.
 
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Midgardsorm

Midgardsorm

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Apr 28, 2020
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People are indoctrinated to think that everything has a solution. Did they watched too much Disney movies and now believes that the world is perfect?

"Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end."

Really, John Lennon? It was okay to some people only after they ctb.

Sometimes I hate psychology.
The rule number one of a psychologist should be to make the patient feel that someone can finally understand his struggles. Instead I often find myself having to prove my point. Having to create examples to explain things like if I was speaking to a child.
 
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ithappens

ithappens

Live free or die
Aug 9, 2018
159
"Radical acceptance" is a fucking joke. What people often don't comprehend is that maybe living in neverending pain and agony, isolation, suffering, and constantly being screwed over by others is not worth shit like "ThE sUnRiSe!!1!" At the end of the day you and only you can decide if your individual life is worth all the evils of this physical and mortal world. They keep trying to find ways to block people from a peaceful death but do nothing to tackle the reasons people choose death, after all it is much easier to just tell another person to "suck it up" with fancy terms like "radical acceptance" than accept they may have to lose another person (whaaaaat?! following their own advice and radically accepting that a friend/family member they refused to help is gone?!!! absurd!!) or actually, yknow, help that person while they're alive.

Because after all life and other people "don't owe you anything", but somehow you owe everyone else your existence even if it's shit quality and you don't want it.
 
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OpheliasFlowers

Specialist
Apr 2, 2019
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People are indoctrinated to think that everything has a solution. Did they watched too much Disney movies and now believes that the world is perfect?

"Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end."

Really, John Lennon? It was okay to some people only after they ctb.

Sometimes I hate psychology.
The rule number one of a psychologist should be to make the patient feel that someone can finally understand his struggles. Instead I often find myself having to prove my point. Having to create examples to explain things like if I was speaking to a child.
Wow do I relate to the comment about having to prove your point to these 'professionals'. :( No one should have to feel like they're on trial when all they're trying to do is express their VALID emotions and reactions to what's happening/happened to them. I have so many physical problems (some not visible, some absolutely visible on tests and manifestations of my body) yet still I'm treated like I'm imagining it or something. Talk about gaslighting and being dismissive. All of that is why I think mental health "help" and "treatment" is 99.99999999999% BS. I'm so sorry to OP and everyone else who has been treated this way by these uncaring "doctors" or therapists.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
42,490
Living really can be painful. I think many people do not want to face up to the harsh reality that a situation is hopeless and instead are in denial and live under a delusion, saying pointless platitudes. Toxic positivity certainly does more harm than good. I think a right to die is really important, expecting people to live a low quality of life is cruel. We should get to decide, as only us is going through what we are going through, not anybody else.
 
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Midgardsorm

Midgardsorm

Paragon
Apr 28, 2020
917
Wow do I relate to the comment about having to prove your point to these 'professionals'. :( No one should have to feel like they're on trial when all they're trying to do is express their VALID emotions and reactions to what's happening/happened to them. I have so many physical problems (some not visible, some absolutely visible on tests and manifestations of my body) yet still I'm treated like I'm imagining it or something. Talk about gaslighting and being dismissive. All of that is why I think mental health "help" and "treatment" is 99.99999999999% BS. I'm so sorry to OP and everyone else who has been treated this way by these uncaring "doctors" or therapists.

Most Health Care Professionals treat us like broken watches, talking while they try to fix us, or better, while they try to apply the particular technique they learned for a particular problem.

They don't care about their patients, only what to write on their books, "What is the problem of this patient / What I did to fix it". In the end, this is what they need to get paid. If anybody ask, "Here, I treated the patient."

Ignoring what else the patient has to say is better for them. Again, if anybody asks, "The patient does not want to get better."

Anxiety, the evil of the century.
Resistance to treatment, the excuse of the century.
 
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Life sucks

Visionary
Apr 18, 2018
2,134
Unfortunately people don't really understand even if they have the same conditions because actually everyone is different. Its annoying and irrational how they assume if someone stayed, then everyone who has the same condition should stay also. They don't understand that everyone is different and should be allowed to decide if they want to continue living or not.
 
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motel rooms

motel rooms

Survivor of incest. Gay. Please don't PM me.
Apr 13, 2021
7,081
Everytime I join a support group for one of my conditions, the discussions there make me utterly disheartened and miserable.

I would act like Nicole Kidman in this scene if someone forced me to join a support group (she & her husband lost a child in the movie) -

 
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unperson

nontitle
May 8, 2021
120
Everytime I join a support group for one of my conditions, the discussions there make me utterly disheartened and miserable. If I share my story, I am told how strong I am, and to just hold out a few years longer, because there is still hope for a cure. Fuck off.

I can pour my heart out to people who are supposed to understand, only to be met with pro life platitudes and optimism bias tainted sentiments. I am so tired of being told that I need help, only for the so called help to make me feel even lousier.

You would expect those who suffer from chronic illnesses themselves to have empathy and compassion for their fellow sufferers. Instead, I am told that I need to "be more resilient", "cut toxic people out of my life" and never lose hope "because I am so young and will grow thicker skin with time, age 22 is nothing! "

Do other people not comprehend that when you are disabled, you cannot simply block everyone out of your life who hurts or annoys you? When your livelihood depends on the magnanimous support of others, you can't go trekking off to the mountains in search of a hermit's solitude.

I am sick of being given the same cookie cutter advice over and over again that serves no purpose except to placate one's optimistic worldview and continually encourage the disparaged to remain docile in the face of piss-poor, crumbling welfare systems.

It leaves me seething that people would rather see you suffer immensely and be crippled by disease forever as opposed to accepting your wishes. News flash, if a magic cure for all my illnesses suddenly emerged, it would not erase all the years of youth lost nor the memories of anguish I've had to endure.

Despite me lamenting in great detail about how therapy has been so useless (and even damaging, at times) for me, people in a CFS group were you guessed it, telling me to seek therapy once again.

Yet somehow this go around will be different if I somehow find "the one" who take things slower than they would with a physically healthy client. You think they'd adjust the price for that, since such a thing would inevitably have to be sought privately? No way. It wouldn't help either, as I am well aware of what these talk therapies entail.

I'm at the stage where people throwing meager bones at me in a futile attempt to spark hope only fuels angry rather than relief. No matter where I go, no one understands what I'm going through. In CFS groups they won't understand ptsd and autism. In autism groups, they don't understand cfs and chronic pain. There are very few people on this earth who happen to suffer from all the maladies I do, who can relate to this hellish experience.

I hate being told to be more resilient. It makes me want to snap even more. It makes me want to impulsively ctb right now and not give a damn. Because you know what, these people will never have to endure my suffering, so how can they say with any amount of confidence that I do not have thick skin?

Come back to me when you are crippled by physical illnesses ravaging you, autism coupled with its lovely consequences (mutism, dyspraxia), years upon years of trauma, having no family, and being too disabled to function in the workplace or school. People expect you to cheerily embrace poverty, isolation, and misery solely because you were unlucky enough to end up disabled.

I will not resign myself to this abhorrent quality of life. If I cannot do the things everyone else can, my life is not worth living. People do not understand this and think you should learn "radical acceptance" in order to cope with your new second class citizen status.

I will not accept being gaslit, mistreated, fobbed off, and existing in a perpetual state of disadvantage until I inevitably succumb to mortality like everyone else does- old, febrile and immobilised in a hospital bed. Why am I forced to live like this?

Why am I not allowed to die? If people would deny me this right, then they are no better than the oppressors who perpetuate the aforementioned toxicity towards vunerable people.
My energy is too damn low for a sufficient reply, but just want to say that sometimes it's nice to find people where you mutually know and accept that you don't completely understand each other but nonetheless have acceptance of each other.

also what's helped me recently is accepting that perhaps I'll never be completely understood by someone and that's ok. This is hard to come to accept though and the pain of feeling alone and misunderstood is no joke.

sorry you are suffering this way
 
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diyCTB

Mage
Oct 28, 2018
573
I think a right to die is really important, expecting people to live a low quality of life is cruel. We should get to decide, as only us is going through what we are going through, not anybody else.
And expecting people to live in suffering while denying them right to die is outright sadistic.
 
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