Discussion Enough of so many ramblings, there is no life after death.

[seamus]

We are probably an alien experiment or a simulation

 

[Versailles]

We are probably an alien experiment or a simulation

Matrix? Sword Art Online? some Isekai?

 

[Efilismislife]

Matrix? Sword Art Online? some Isekai?

The sims difficulty hard mode

it reminds me there are people playing sims just to kill them

 

[Celerity]

All of this "evidence" for an afterlife is dubious AF. Sure, let me take the word of some fucking supposed smart guy who hallucinated an afterlife in a near death experience. That's not suspect at all and 100% verifiable, right? The real truth is that nobody fucking knows, and we probably never will. If somebody wants to believe in an afterlife, they probably will. There's not much you can do about, unfortunately.

That anybody contemplating suicide believes there's order and fairness to the universe absolutely mystifies me. If anything, one would guess the opposite based on all of our life experiences.

 

[FuneralCry]

People can spend ages debating on whether there is an afterlife, but we have no way of knowing. What happens after death is truly the unknown. I do strongly believe there is nothing, personally. I do not believe in any religion and I think once we lose consciousness that is the end of us and we are gone. We return to the same nothingness we were at before we were born. That is what makes sense to me.

 

[goat]

People can spend ages debating on whether there is an afterlife, but we have no way of knowing. What happens after death is truly the unknown. I do strongly believe there is nothing, personally. I do not believe in any religion and I think once we lose consciousness that is the end of us and we are gone. We return to the same nothingness we were at before we were born. That is what makes sense to me.

Well, there's actually ONE way of knowing

 

[Celerity]

Well, there's actually ONE way of knowing

Good point, haha. Won't do anything for the rest of us though.

 

[motel rooms]

All of this "evidence" for an afterlife is dubious AF. Sure, let me take the word of some fucking supposed smart guy who hallucinated an afterlife in a near death experience. That's not suspect at all and 100% verifiable, right?

Why da fuq can't people understand that NEAR-death experiences are not DEATH experiences? It's in their FUCKING name!
I NEARly died when a car almost ran me over once. Gather 'round the fire, young'uns, let me describe death to you in extraordinary detail!

NDE =/= END!

 

[LansJ70]

Near death, brain filled with the most powerful drugs known to man to make it painless, don't die, OMG there is an afterlife I saw it hallucinated it. That's it for me, highly qualified neuroscientist who doesn't understand how the brain works.

As said above only one way to know and we'll all find out, but really why would life continue?

We make it this big mystery because we think we're so important, are there trillions of bugs and plants and rabbits and fish and dinosaurs roaming around in the afterlife, or is it just for important lumps of flesh like us?

 

[2Min2Midnight]

For me it's moot either way as long as this shit pile of an existence ends eventually. Heaven, hell or oblivion it's gotta be better than earth 2021

 

[Computer Blue]

All of this "evidence" for an afterlife is dubious AF. Sure, let me take the word of some fucking supposed smart guy who hallucinated an afterlife in a near death experience. That's not suspect at all and 100% verifiable, right? The real truth is that nobody fucking knows, and we probably never will. If somebody wants to believe in an afterlife, they probably will. There's not much you can do about, unfortunately.

That anybody contemplating suicide believes there's order and fairness to the universe absolutely mystifies me. If anything, one would guess the opposite based on all of our life experiences.

I post here to present ideas for discussion so don't take the following as an attempt at an argument, but I feel a rebuttal is necessary;
*Yes, lots of evidence is dubious, much like the evidence that matter produces consciousness.
*I never suggested that someone should take the good Doctors word … I just suggested to have a look at what he has to say … which you did not do.
*A supposed smart guy … A Harvard trained neuro-surgeon … what are your credentials?
*His "hallucination" was more real than this reality … while his brain was so destroyed that his best prognosis was to be a vegetable for a couple of months before dying.

Near death, brain filled with the most powerful drugs known to man to make it painless, don't die, OMG there is an afterlife I saw it hallucinated it. That's it for me, highly qualified neuroscientist who doesn't understand how the brain works.

See above. I listened to his side so please do tell me about where the neuroscientist has gone wrong in his understanding of how the brain works. I am always happy to learn something.

 

[Computer Blue]

Why da fuq can't people understand that NEAR-death experiences are not DEATH experiences? It's in their FUCKING name!
I NEARly died when a car almost ran me over once. Gather 'round the fire, young'uns, let me describe death to you in extraordinary detail!

NDE =/= END!

OP - I apologize for inadvertently hijacking your thread.
I don't see where anyone argued that NDE=END. However, since you brought up the subject I would be interested in knowing your opinion on why a theoretical soul would be unable to separate from a body that is only "nearly" dead but not "completely" dead. Also, since some apparently believe that neuroscientists are idiots, then who's definition of dead would you like to use … and why? Be careful though, because you may find that some NDE's actually meet your definition.

There is such a thing as a preponderance of evidence. There are tons and tons of people who have experienced NDE's. I would say the majority of them have very similar experiences that they claim are ultra real … they learn that love is what matters and their lives change drastically for the better and they no longer fear death at all. It seems like a deep discussion of this would be really good medicine for a forum like this.

 

[Makko]

OP - I apologize for inadvertently hijacking your thread.
I don't see where anyone argued that NDE=END. However, since you brought up the subject I would be interested in knowing your opinion on why a theoretical soul would be unable to separate from a body that is only "nearly" dead but not "completely" dead. Also, since some apparently believe that neuroscientists are idiots, then who's definition of dead would you like to use … and why? Be careful though, because you may find that some NDE's actually meet your definition.

There is such a thing as a preponderance of evidence. There are tons and tons of people who have experienced NDE's. I would say the majority of them have very similar experiences that they claim are ultra real … they learn that love is what matters and their lives change drastically for the better and they no longer fear death at all. It seems like a deep discussion of this would be really good medicine for a forum like this.

NDE would make amazing transformative therapy. Sort of like taking DMT but even more real. Maybe we should start a clinic?

 

[nex]

While there is no proof that there is no afterlife, the religious texts that claim an afterlife have a spotty record to put it mildly. If your source is the Bible, well that claims in its very first chapter that daylight isn't caused by the Sun.

If any religion has insightful claims on how things work in the physical universe, that are in line with what we can actually observe and verify, please go on.

But if religion gets even observable facts completely wrong, why would I trust it with what it tells me about the "afterlife"?

Sorry, but the more easily refuted bogus claims it makes about the observable universe, the less I can take it seriously when it makes claims about the afterlife without providing any evidence whatsoever.

 

[Celerity]

I post here to present ideas for discussion so don't take the following as an attempt at an argument, but I feel a rebuttal is necessary;
*Yes, lots of evidence is dubious, much like the evidence that matter produces consciousness.
*I never suggested that someone should take the good Doctors word … I just suggested to have a look at what he has to say … which you did not do.
*A supposed smart guy … A Harvard trained neuro-surgeon … what are your credentials?
*His "hallucination" was more real than this reality … while his brain was so destroyed that his best prognosis was to be a vegetable for a couple of months before dying.

See above. I listened to his side so please do tell me about where the neuroscientist has gone wrong in his understanding of how the brain works. I am always happy to learn something.

There are other experts with the same or more training who disagree with him vehemently. Abd yes, I have met stupid people with his credentials. Stupid as far as being booksmart? No. Stupid as far as the scientific method and what good evidence is? Yes, absolutely. A single person's testimony doesn't count for shit. There's also a big, big difference between practicing medicine and being a scientist. As I said though, these accounts of NDEs really don't amount to anything I'd consider evidence.
As I said, at the end of the day, you want to believe in an afterlife. I hope the idea brings you comfort, but don't pretend that you actually know for sure.

 

[Efilismislife]

I think religion should be excluded/seperated with after life. Cause the study isnt about religion but about a phenomena of people who have mysterious ability and experience unexplained phenomena. Same as why they study about ghost, and all those supernatural

Also if you trace back the history of religion actually started with supernatural/mysticism too. Like occultism and such


And scientist try to study that. Not religion. Like how they study the mystery of bermuda triangle and such

Scientist job is study mysterious phenomena to solve the 'puzzle'
Same as how they uncover rare mysterious diseases

While there is no proof that there is no afterlife, the religious texts that claim an afterlife have a spotty record to put it mildly. If your source is the Bible, well that claims in its very first chapter that daylight isn't caused by the Sun.

If any religion has insightful claims on how things work in the physical universe, that are in line with what we can actually observe and verify, please go on.

But if religion gets even observable facts completely wrong, why would I trust it with what it tells me about the "afterlife"?

Sorry, but the more easily refuted bogus claims it makes about the observable universe, the less I can take it seriously when it makes claims about the afterlife without providing any evidence whatsoever.

 

[deepinlimbo]

I know what happens after you die, it was foretold in the supermarket aisle that stocked pasta sauce! so Come on guys and girls everyone knows that there is only one true religion and all the others are wrong. Put your faith in his noodly appendages and let his tender succulent meaty and saucy balls embrace you. He's an Italian heartthrob. Behold The Flying Spaghetti Monster! He will take you up into the rolling red saucy sumptuous hills of dolmio.

In all seriousness though whatever makes people feel better about living or dying I think having a theory on what happens after we die can be healthy for us or at least helps us come to terms with our circumstances.

 

[Efilismislife]

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Is that tentacle hentai

 

[loopylou]

I never used to believe in an ' after life '

but I do now. Kind of . Not sure how it could be described properly tbh i am rubbish with words.
I don't believe in heaven or hell.
I don't believe in reincarnation

 

[deepinlimbo]

Is that tentacle hentai

No it's the Flying Spaghetti Monster. :)

 

[LansJ70]

I never used to believe in an ' after life '

but I do now. Kind of . Not sure how it could be described properly tbh i am rubbish with words.
I don't believe in heaven or hell.
I don't believe in reincarnation

You believe in some kind of continuance?

Is that a continuation that contains memories of this life, or just a continuation of consciousness that becomes a part of something else?

 

[loopylou]

You believe in some kind of continuance?

Is that a continuation that contains memories of this life, or just a continuation of consciousness that becomes a part of something else?

I have had paranormal experiences that I can't seem to be able to translate what's being said to me so I get a bit upset about it. I thought about talking to a clairvoyant years ago to help but it's just another thing to take on and I'm tired

 

[Fragile]

You guys claim that there is no afterlife, yet this video exists. curious.