Dry ice suicide

[malevolentdiety]

Hi, does anybody know anything about suicide with dry ice? I can get access to it easily so I could use it in my car no problem. Does anybody have any info? Thanks.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

What timing. I was speaking about this privately with someone and was curious why I hadn't seen it as a viable method. There's a chance I may be missing something but general research makes it seem peaceful.

 

[Linda]

It would probably work, provided you had enough of it. You would need to do some calculations beforehand, to work out how much you will need (perhaps also taking possible leakage from the car into account).
You can expect to get very cold, and the windows of the car might ice up - which could make the car rather conspicuous.

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

I find this method super interesting. Dry ice is easily available and fairly cheap. I'm unsure about use in a car, but when combined with drowning, I think this method would be efficient.

Spoiler: video of accidental drowning in pool with dry ice

What timing. I was speaking about this privately with someone and was curious why I hadn't seen it as a viable method. There's a chance I may be missing something but general research makes it seem peaceful.

The gas produced is CO2. Sadly, I don't think it would be peaceful. In other threads I have heard from a restaurant worker who experienced exposure at work. They described it as very unpleasant.

 

[limeoctave]

There was an accident in Russia a few years ago where dry ice was poured into the pool during a party, then people jumped in and when they came out they had no oxygen to breathe. As far as I remember, several people died

it looks like the video from the previous comment is about this accident

 

[xxpinkmoonglitterxx]

Why does this seem so simple? Does anyone know how to figure out how much dry ice would be needed in a small sealed area? A google search definitely says this is possible. Hmmm

 

[limeoctave]

don't know anything about this as a ctb method, but it seems to me that there is a high possibility of hypercapnia

 

[DoubleUp8]

I find this method super interesting. Dry ice is easily available and fairly cheap. I'm unsure about use in a car, but when combined with drowning, I think this method would be efficient.

Spoiler: video of accidental drowning in pool with dry ice

The gas produced is CO2. Sadly, I don't think it would be peaceful. In other threads I have heard from a restaurant worker who experienced exposure at work. They described it as very unpleasant.

Haven't people died in their sleep accidentally by CO2? From old faulty heaters and similar things? Seems like they never wake up and don't feel a thing. I think there was a famous tennis player that died that way.
Vitas Gerulaitis. I just googled

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

Haven't people died in their sleep accidentally by CO2? From old faulty heaters and similar things? Seems like they never wake up and don't feel a thing. I think there was a famous tennis player that died that way.
Vitas Gerulaitis. I just googled

Is this perhaps CO, rather than CO2? I'm unsure.

Edit: I just googled. His death was from CO, which is reported to be peaceful as I understand.

The presence of CO2 in the lungs is what triggers the body's reaction and stress of not being able to breath, rather than the lack of oxygen. CO is a peaceful method because it reduces access to oxygen, while also allowing the expulsion of CO2 from the lungs. Happy hypoxia, as Nitsche is known to say. (See: exit bag method)

 

[DoubleUp8]

Which is which? Is carbon monoxide CO? Carbon dioxide is CO2. I get em confused sometimes. Both can kill people
Is 1 of them more painful than the other? Which 1 is car exhaust? 1 of em is. CO2 is what plants breathe isn't it?
Ex-fireman once told me that most people who die in fires die from smoke inhalation long b4 their bodies burn up. Is that CO? CO2? Or neither?

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

Which is which? Is carbon monoxide CO? Carbon dioxide is CO2. I get em confused sometimes. Both can kill people
Is 1 of them more painful than the other? Which 1 is car exhaust? 1 of em is. CO2 is what plants breathe isn't it?
Ex-fireman once told me that most people who die in fires die from smoke inhalation long b4 their bodies burn up. Is that CO? CO2? Or neither?

Yeah, CO is carbon monoxide. CO2 is carbon dioxide. True you can die from both. Smoke from fires contains both and many other chemicals - depending on the fire source.

CO alone is reported as not being painful and it often goes unnoticed. CO2 however is unpleasant and not peaceful, because it triggers the feeling of not being able to breathe.

I'm not an expert, but that's my understanding.

 

[DoubleUp8]

Yeah, CO is carbon monoxide. CO2 is carbon dioxide. True you can die from both. Smoke from fires contains both and many other chemicals - depending on the fire source.

CO alone is reported as not being painful and it often goes unnoticed. CO2 however is unpleasant and not peaceful, because it triggers the feeling of not being able to breathe.

I'm not an expert, but that's my understanding.

What about car exhaust? People have died from ctb and accidentally but I was told not as often as they used to b4 the catalytic converters.

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

What about car exhaust? People have died from ctb and accidentally but I was told not as often as they used to b4 the catalytic converters.

I'm not too familiar with that, but have heard changes were made to make it a not viable method. I'd like to research that more.

 

[Timothy7dff]

Hard to imagine anything cheap and easily accessible would have been overlooked in the PP Handbook.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Hard to imagine anything cheap and easily accessible would have been overlooked in the PP Handbook.

This was my thought as well but maybe it just hadn't been thought of, as perhaps it's not so common. But it would be interesting to see if someone could delve in and cover it. I would but math and numbers trip me up and I'm fully against giving misinformation. But it's a method that one CTB partner and I discussed at length and I assume he would have done at least baseline research. They're still here as am I obviously but yeah we were thinking dry ice in a sealed maybe tarped car.

 

[malevolentdiety]

Well I remember reading about someone that accidentally died in their car because they had dry ice in the back seat or something.

 

[Placo]

I have read that if the CO2 level rises very quickly one does not suffer the symptoms of hypercapnia but loses consciousness almost immediately as if it were an inert gas.

 

[It'sMyLife]

This is what I don't like about the internet. People start going back and forth about what they heard and likely want to believe which gives you a bias to accepting it. What I've read about CO or any oxygen molecule containing compounds is what causes hypercapnic response. Mono equals one hence monoxide CO and di equals two hence dioxide CO2. It's probably possible if the source is large and suddenly overwhelming you could go quickly. This is why inert gas method is a thing ( to avoid this ). According to research a person dying of CO poisoning will appear peaceful after death but the body will fight to alert you during. I'd imagine CO2 is the same but of course will work . It doesn't mean it will be pleasant. Sedation with other products could help reduce discomfort. Cars have catalytic converters now and you'll just feel sick after some time unless you find a pre 1975 or so car but it will sure stink. There's plenty of info in the inert gas threads. Use of liquid nitrogen has been discussed here in the past but it would be even more difficult to acquire and handle than dry ice and would probably make you colder than the dry ice would as Linda mentioned.

 

[Placo]

However, do not assume that CO is painless while CO2 is painful, it is true that both at high concentrations cause loss of consciousness, they work differently in killing, CO2 works as a simple asphyxiant replacing oxygen (even if it is not exactly like inert gases and has a certain toxicity of its own) while CO binds to hemoglobin better than oxygen and tends to replace it, but both at low doses seem not to be exactly pleasant, in fact CO seems to me even worse than CO2, judge by yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning#Signs_and_symptoms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia#Signs_and_symptoms

What is certain is that both at low doses can be annoying so the secret is to ensure that the high dose is reached immediately and therefore loss of consciousness.

However, I read that dry ice, when transformed into a gaseous state, tends to cool the environment, but I have no idea whether to unbearable levels or not.

 

[Placo]

I wonder if 10kg of dry ice is enough for a small room, maybe it's safer in the car interior, I don't want it to get too cold though, I'm undecided whether to buy it from Amazon.

 

[avoid]

I'm sure it can be used as a method of committing suicide but it's not a practical one IMO. Its shelf life is extremely short in comparison with other methods because the dry ice evaporates in a matter of days when properly stored.

You cannot store Dry Ice as it is -78 degrees, therefore it will disappear even if stored in a freezer. The only way of storing it effectively is by use of an insulated container with a lid—you should also pack any remaining space in the container with crumpled newspaper in order to decrease the oxygen content. Basically you are trying to 'suffocate' the Dry Ice in order to keep it in a solid form for as long as possible. You would still lose in excess of 50% over a 24 hours period. [source]

My experience with dry ice is that I nearly fainted by inhaling approximately 1 kg of evaporated dry ice from a ~60 liter Styrofoam container when I took off the lid while holding the container right in front of my face. My vision blurred and I got light headed for a few seconds, long enough for my knees to weaken and forcing me to hold onto something rigid to keep myself standing. Lucky for me, the dry ice vapor fleeted quite quickly after I fully opened the lid, so I don't know what the effect would be if you were to inhale the vapor continuously. I would describe the smell as sharp, but not painful to the nose.

Note: nothing I wrote is certain. This is just my personal experience with dry ice.
Edit: typo corrections

 

[Placo]

I'm sure it can be used as a method of committing suicide but it's not a practical one IMO. Its shelf life is extremely short in comparison with other methods because the dry ice evaporates in a matter of days when properly stored.



My experience with dry ice is that I nearly fainted by inhaling approximately 1 kg of evaporated dry ice from a ~60 liter Styrofoam container when I take off the little while holding the container right in front of my face. My vision blurred and I got light headed for a few seconds, long enough for my knees to weaken and forcing me to hold onto something rigid to keep myself standing. Lucky for me, the dry ice vapor fleeted quite quickly after I fully opened the lid, so I don't know what the effect would be if you were to inhale the vapor continuously. I would describe the smell as sharp, but not painful to the nose.

Note: nothing I wrote is certain. This is just my personal experience with dry ice.

In fact I just read that there is no way to limit its conversion to the gaseous state, considering my suicidal hesitation so I think it would evaporate before I decided to do anything.

But I'm fantasizing about using a CO2 fire extinguisher, I need to see if there are any recorded cases of suicide like this or is it a science fiction method.

 

[Cress]

I think as others have mentioned there is a issue of practicality here. If you receive all of the dry ice at A specific time and you're ready to go in either a bathroom or a car and take into account any leaking and all your Math is correct it should work. However in the real world things never go to plan and line up so perfectly. You have a very short window of time to use the dry ice for any intended purpose not just CTB.

I watched a youtube video from a PC building channel and they were trying to use dry ice to cool down a computer CPU processor and they were trying to get everything done and set up before it all melted and they wasted $100 of dry ice.

There is also the matter of your a real person with thoughts and Feelings. Some people can decide on a very specific exact time that they're ready to go but most people cannot if you change your mind or haven't worked yourself up to it you'll miss your window. Hence making it not very practical And you're putting all sorts of undue pressure on yourself. Time that can be better spent elsewhere making sure you're as comfortable as possible and at peace With leaving this world.