Adûnâi

Adûnâi

Little Russian in-cel
Apr 25, 2020
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and I'm willing to bet most, if not all of your reasons for feeling suicidal are directly caused by the way society has been forced to become due to technological advances.
It's a difficult question. My greatest issues are autism and inceldom, and I do believe I would be able to live in a pre-industrial society as a serf... But isn't it getting better? Like sure, female liberation and dating have gotten worse, but there's pornography now - and without arranged marriage, I would have not been able to capitalise on patriarchy in the 1950s anyway.

In this way, I'd say, technology is not a uniform line to suffering, it ebbs and flows. Arguably, 2020 is worse than 1700 but better than 1980. And 2030 is going to be a utopia.

Some examples: Social credit score system
Why are you deriding things that are of cultural value to them? I for one would love a social credit system, and a huge part of my suicidality is that the Ukraine has chosen the Western route (in 1991).

So I do not really understand why you assert that the CCP would be afraid of technology that would give them even more power.
Because AI can be used by terrorists. Grassroots. What you are saying is actually terrorist in nature, trying to deride the Chinese state. This is why Americans have school shooters, but Chinese don't. Americans love anarchy.

It's impossible to accurately say what such a world would look like. But given the way humanity has been since the beginning of history (starting wars, hating others over nothing, etc.) I do not think zero scarcity would magically lead the whole world to give up all conflict and turn earth into paradise.
Well, you have shown in this comment that you are intolerant of other countries and cultures, hating the Chinese and the Koreans for loving their governments and religions.

Mankind might go extinct by 2030 if Yudkowsky's fears come true, all these races are going to become irrelevant in the face of technological singularity.
 
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casual_existence

Experienced
Jul 29, 2023
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We're fucked. AI can destroy us ON ACCIDENT. I'm amazed that no one is terrified about AI. It will more than likely lead to our destruction. Which I'm not totally against but it's a very real threat.
 
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Tears in Rain

Tears in Rain

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Dec 12, 2023
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We're fucked. AI can destroy us ON ACCIDENT. I'm amazed that no one is terrified about AI. It will more than likely lead to our destruction. Which I'm not totally against but it's a very real threat.

I read a comedic short play, 'A Nice Game of Chess(or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Technological Singularity)' that mentions that a species eventually reach a reset point in their development, where evolution has taken them as far as it can go. Then they are usually wiped out. It says the Technological Singularity of A.I. could be human's reset point.
Maybe we are doomed!
(Play uploaded below for anyone interested).
 

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ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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I don't really care about anything going on in the state of the world. I just wish to be dead
 
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sserafim

sserafim

brighter than the sun, that’s just me
Sep 13, 2023
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Any job that can be done cheaper by an AI is not safe. Coding is not safe at all.
Jobs that are relatively safe are nursing, medics and teachers to some degree.
Blue collar too for now.
I think when AI really takes off it will be the biggest change in modern history.
Most people are not ready for this and are not even aware of this
What other jobs are relatively safe in your opinion?
 
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Davey36000

I'm not the dog in the picture
Jun 12, 2023
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What other jobs are relatively safe in your opinion?
Manual work which requires complexity of movement, like carpentry, plumbing, construction work, electrician, dentist, surgeon.

And any work where people still prefer to have a human interaction even though virtually you don't need it, either blue or white collar work, like teacher, receptionist, therapist.

And work where you absolutely need a human because AI is unrealiable on it's own anyway, like engineer, architect,...

There are other less known professions which I think will remain unaffected like: drug dealer, serial killer, bank robber, assassin.

But in the long term, many jobs won't be safe, and even if not completely lost, the could require less people. For example some companies are using AI in telemarketing instead of real people (seen Vodafone do this already).

Like Instead of 5 programmers, only 3-4.
 
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Shrike

Shrike

My pain isn't yours to harvest.
Feb 13, 2024
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Angry. I work in software and it has caused a lot of messes here. Too many executives looking at it as a way to cut even more corners. I don't think it really threatens software jobs.

Honestly the group I feel bad for the most is the artists. It hit them really hard. I want to consume art made by humans, not machines.
Why are you deriding things that are of cultural value to them? I for one would love a social credit system, and a huge part of my suicidality is that the Ukraine has chosen the Western route (in 1991).
Could you expand on this? I'm curious why someone here would think a social credit system would be beneficial for them. I haven't lived in China, though.
 
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barkbark

Jan 22, 2024
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ai generation of creative stuff definitely makes me want to ctb and is a sizeable factor in why i'm planning on leaving someday, likely soon. i'm a huge fan of art and creativity and having it completely gutted and slaughtered in the name of endless capitalistic tech innovation — especially with it being derived from the works of actual artists, and then those spearheading ai shit bragging about how ai is putting artists out of work drives me fucking insane and i have no idea how anyone feels otherwise. its cruelness for cruelties sake.

hell i even drew my pfp on here in spite of the fear that a friend of mine who found her way on here once could recognize it and link it back to me just because i couldn't in good faith use AI imagery even as a form of keeping myself safe.
 
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Adûnâi

Adûnâi

Little Russian in-cel
Apr 25, 2020
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ai generation of creative stuff definitely makes me want to ctb
But in a few years, everyone is going to be able to make movies and video games of his dreams at a whim! Isn't that worth something? Sure, humans will stop creating - but are artists that selfish to withhold infinite content generation from people?
 
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Homo erectus

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Mar 7, 2023
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How can we tell of other people are real, or robots? The worse case scenario is "I think therefore I am." Everything is simulation. But what is the reason for deceiving me alone? If I chose this virtual reality, why didn't I choose a better one?
 
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Argo

Specialist
May 19, 2018
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AI makes me depressed. The fact that most(many?) smart people don't seem capable of caring or understanding that this technology is going to be used to manipulate, enslave, and obscure the hellish world, is tragic.
 
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barkbark

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But in a few years, everyone is going to be able to make movies and video games of his dreams at a whim! Isn't that worth something?
this is neglecting the realities of capitalism. artists are already usually impoverished and this only further ruins their ability to survive under it — plus that doesn't get into how if we do phase out humans as artists, ai content will never grow and evolve into new artstyles because there's nothing new to steal from use in a dataset without consent
 
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sserafim

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Manual work which requires complexity of movement, like carpentry, plumbing, construction work, electrician, dentist, surgeon.

And any work where people still prefer to have a human interaction even though virtually you don't need it, either blue or white collar work, like teacher, receptionist, therapist.

And work where you absolutely need a human because AI is unrealiable on it's own anyway, like engineer, architect,...

There are other less known professions which I think will remain unaffected like: drug dealer, serial killer, bank robber, assassin.

But in the long term, many jobs won't be safe, and even if not completely lost, the could require less people. For example some companies are using AI in telemarketing instead of real people (seen Vodafone do this already).

Like Instead of 5 programmers, only 3-4.
Ugh, I guess I should've listened to my parents when they told me to go into medicine then. They wanted me to be a doctor. I hate people and interacting with them though. Human interaction is my pet peeve…
 
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Adûnâi

Adûnâi

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this is neglecting the realities of capitalism. artists are already usually impoverished and this only further ruins their ability to survive under it — plus that doesn't get into how if we do phase out humans as artists, ai content will never grow and evolve into new artstyles because there's nothing new to steal from use in a dataset without consent
Capitalism? It's going to be Communism. The gay space variety. Why you would deny humans the next step of the industrial revolution that would make everyone as more privileged as we are to the feudal peasants is beyond me. (Ironically, I'm less privileged than feudal peasants because I'm an incel, yet I'm still for AI because it's at least some hope.)
 
Davey36000

Davey36000

I'm not the dog in the picture
Jun 12, 2023
311
ai generation of creative stuff definitely makes me want to ctb and is a sizeable factor in why i'm planning on leaving someday, likely soon. i'm a huge fan of art and creativity and having it completely gutted and slaughtered in the name of endless capitalistic tech innovation — especially with it being derived from the works of actual artists, and then those spearheading ai shit bragging about how ai is putting artists out of work drives me fucking insane and i have no idea how anyone feels otherwise. its cruelness for cruelties sake.

hell i even drew my pfp on here in spite of the fear that a friend of mine who found her way on here once could recognize it and link it back to me just because i couldn't in good faith use AI imagery even as a form of keeping myself safe.
Ye it's weird to look at art now. Some AI stuff is really good good, but when a human used to do it, it was very different, it had a different value...

It might facilitate many things tbh, but with the current system we have ATM, it is not compatible with job loss and all. What troubles me more is the difference between all this tech and how unevolved some parts of the worked still are.

We should give all of what a human being needs and some more, but we can't even have that yet.

Hunger still not solved, housing, wars, etc...
 
WhenTheyCry

WhenTheyCry

Experienced
Jun 25, 2022
270
Ye it's weird to look at art now. Some AI stuff is really good good, but when a human used to do it, it was very different, it had a different value...

It might facilitate many things tbh, but with the current system we have ATM, it is not compatible with job loss and all. What troubles me more is the difference between all this tech and how unevolved some parts of the worked still are.

We should give all of what a human being needs and some more, but we can't even have that yet.

Hunger still not solved, housing, wars, etc...
We need AI to run the show instead of our current corrupt politicians. AI can be infinitely smarter and empathetic. Of course, assuming they are correctly aligned with human morals.
 
Seiko

Seiko

"Nothing's gonna hurt you, baby."
Jul 9, 2021
167
I'm excited. Regardless of where AI goes, I'm always interested to see the many new developments and the possibility of singularity being achieved. It's a bit of a futurology kink, I guess. I just hope that if jobs are taken in favor of AI, we have a social safety net and subsidized schooling so laid-off workers may still receive money and the training to enter other fields. And that goes with not just language models but with the neural network in autonomous vehicles, workforce automation, etc. I know that's not a perfect solution for those with at-risk jobs, but in the neoliberal status quo we live in today, corporations will always pick the cheapest cost of labor. I think, at some point, it'll be inevitable. I'm not quite sure what we should do next if AI takes over the majority of the job market. I know a lot of people are saying it'll never happen in our lifetimes, but for some reason, I think it will; corporations are too eager to cut costs and increase efficiency wherever possible, and they have the money for R&D.

On the other hand, it's immediately obvious when I see classmates using ChatGPT to do their assignments. And since there are no cops here (hopefully), it's incredibly easy for me to copy and paste a full Canvas quiz into GPT/Gemini/Copilot/Bing AI and receive a full answer set. It makes me wonder how much things will change with how prevalent AI is now. I used to believe back in the 2022 era of GPT that if AI could answer the questions you're asking students, you should probably ask more meaningful questions. Now, GPT-3.5/4 seems to already know of the Kanopy documentaries we're watching and can provide timestamps, quotes, sources, etc. How our institutions will adapt to and even adopt AI will always be interesting to me. And regardless, I want to live to see it come to fruition, no matter how dystopian it is.
 
Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
21,034
I have some bad news for those of you who already hate AI:


You can't tell me anyone would be good enough at detecting every single AI video out there once this becomes available to the public.

I'd say the sample footage is so cursed but the problem is, it really isn't. I don't want to be all doom and gloom about it but this AI technology still feels like I have to be scared of it for some reason.
 

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