Doctrine about procreation&suicide are the same false stupidity

[Efilismislife]

How could they treat giving birth as something glorifying when its imposing certain death sentence, pain, sufferings, expose to cruelty+threats, etc, etc on the new baby?

But treat "ending hell(life)" that being imposed on you out of your consent, as something illegal&sinful?

its procreation that imposed all of sufferings in this world to every living beings.

This stupid old age doctrine should be erased and more people should open their mind that its wrong

Procreation is the same as giving slow death

because every newborn goal/end game is to die.

Thats why its stupid to ban suicide. but glorified procreation

Suicide=impose death to one owns body
procreation=impose death to other creature

its hypocrite if people prolife/procreation but anti suicide
because suicide is the result of the evil procreation

 

[Mr2005]

People should be able to do what they want with their own bodies and that includes suicide and procreation. Anything else isn't really pro choice

 

[Versailles]

How could they treat giving birth as something glorifying when its imposing certain death sentence, pain, sufferings, expose to cruelty+threats, etc, etc on the new baby?

But treat "ending hell(life)" that being imposed on you out of your consent, as something illegal&sinful?

its procreation that imposed all of sufferings in this world to every living beings.

This stupid old age doctrine should be erased and more people should open their mind that its wrong

I know how it feels, really society sees suicide as an irrational decision but they don't have a realistic reason why it is. Religion also tends to place taboos on the idea of suicide.

 

[lugerepair]

Agreed. I wish people would stop procreating.

 

[Efilismislife]

With their body?? Its not their body.
Sorry but you need to check that fact because

procreation imposing certain death, pain, sufferings, cruelty to other peoples body, not just their own body

Procreation is the same as giving slow death=murder

because every newborn goal/end game is to die.

Thats why its stupid to ban suicide. but glorified procreation

Suicide=impose death to one owns body
procreation=impose death to other creature

People should be able to do what they want with their own bodies and that includes suicide and procreation. Anything else isn't really pro choice

 

[Mr2005]

With their body?? Sorry but you need to check that fact because

procreation imposing certain death, pain, sufferings, cruelty to other peoples body, not just their own body

Procreation is the same as giving slow death

because every newborn goal/end game is to die.

Thats why its stupid to ban suicide. but glorified procreation

Sounds a lot like pro life tbh. That's it's wrong to end the life of something that's not even born yet. I'm not buying it. What business is it of yours what other people do? Surely you just want the right to die peacefully if you don't want to be here. You don't get to decide what's best for other people. None of us do

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, we all deserve a right to die. We did not ask to exist in the first place so it isn't like we have any obligations to stay alive. I wish I was never born, the fact that we exist in the first place is the cause of all of our problems. This life holds unlimited potential for suffering and there is no limit as to how bad it can get, so in my opinion, it is better to never exist at all. I think having a right to die would make up for, in a way, the fact that we were brought into this world without choice.

 

[Efilismislife]

Prolife=procreation=Imposing death to babies/other creatures

You cant end life to a non existence. No creation=no death, no pain, no suicide

to me its better if people stop mindless breeding that cause more suffering of babies/people n of course more suicide.

so its hypocrite if people prolife/procreation but anti suicide
because suicide is the result of the evil procreation

Sounds a lot like pro life tbh. That's it's wrong to end the life of something that's not even born yet. I'm not buying it. What business is it of yours what other people do? Surely you just want the right to die peacefully if you don't want to be here. You don't get to decide what's best for other people. None of us do

Yes, we all deserve a right to die. We did not ask to exist in the first place so it isn't like we have any obligations to stay alive. I wish I was never born, the fact that we exist in the first place is the cause of all of our problems. This life holds unlimited potential for suffering and there is no limit as to how bad it can get, so in my opinion, it is better to never exist at all. I think having a right to die would make up for, in a way, the fact that we were brought into this world without choice.

Yeah but even dying isnt easy. Life can be a curse with no way out. so its better to prevent it from the start. Stop mindless breeding.

but its impossible since life is a cult. Previous 'members' have to keep bringing new 'members' to carry on the burden and fullfill the needs&obligation of the previous 'members'

Pay tax, work, etc

 

[Mr2005]

Prolife=procreation=Imposing death to babies/other creatures

You cant end life to a non existence. No creation=no death, no pain, no suicide

to me its better if people stop mindless breeding that cause more suffering of babies/people n of course more suicide.

so its hypocrite if people prolife/procreation but anti suicide
because suicide is the result of the evil procreation






Yeah but even dying isnt easy. Life can be a curse with no way out. so its better to prevent it from the start. Stop mindless breeding.

but its impossible since life is a cult. Previous 'members' have to keep bringing new 'members' to carry on the burden and fullfil the needs&obligation of the previous 'members'

Oh yeah it's hypocritical if they're not given a choice in ending it, you won't find any arguments from me but I'm not looking for reasons why it was wrong for me to be brought here either. I'm not really bothered about that. I didn't ask to be I didn't ask not to be, it just happened.

 

[nopointofliving]

It's impossible to take the consent of the baby before bringing him or her to life. I think we Can do nothing about it , but to respect people's decision in either to create more humans or not.

 

[lugerepair]

It's impossible to take the consent of the baby before bringing him or her to life. I think we Can do nothing about it , but to respect people's decision in either to create more humans or not.

Well, precisely because getting consent is impossible, we shouldn't bring said baby into the world. In other situations where getting consent is impossible (say, if someone is passed out drunk), we don't just go ahead and do whatever we feel like.

 

[nopointofliving]

Well, precisely because getting consent is impossible, we shouldn't bring said baby into the world. In other situations where getting consent is impossible (say, if someone is passed out drunk), we don't just go ahead and do whatever we feel like.

I'm against procreation but at the same time I can't judge or restrict who favor it . Of course I'm sad I'm here in this world but at this same time there are many functional and happy people out there who are so thankful for their lives. We can decide for ourselves not for others.

 

[hʚll]

it's so simple to stop the suffering forever.
it's so obvious.
stop procreating, stop imposing life to innocent non existent beings
they don't need to be here. they don't need anything but to leave them non existent

 

[lugerepair]

I'm against procreation but at the same time I can't judge or restrict who favor it . Of course I'm sad I'm here in this world but at this same time there are many functional and happy people out there who are so thankful for their lives. We can decide for ourselves not for others.

I do judge people who choose to procreate. I judge them to be doing something immoral. Which is not to say that they are bad people. But they are mistaken in their actions.

 

[nopointofliving]

I do judge people who choose to procreate. I judge them to be doing something immoral. Which is not to say that they are bad people. But they are mistaken in their actions.

I understand how you feel about it. But what about great people who were born, and they could improve life a bit in some kind of way?! probably their parents are so proud of their decision of procreation. I'm really sad that I do exist, but I don't find it moral or logical to generalize or impose my views on others. I understand you though, it's better not to bring more kids to this hell world. At the end, we can't control others, and everyone is limited to his choices and external life conditions.

 

[Bullit]

Agreed. I wish people would stop procreating.

You mean stop fucking? Cause if there's fucking,there's gonna be pro creating!
Unless you do it hotelbeneathground style! (Slamming dem old mans buttholes!!)

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

My Dad always bragged to me about how Mom wanted to abort me, but he forced her not to do it. As if that would make me like him more than her? No, it just made me hate him more for forcing me into existence and denying Mom's right to control her own body.

 

[lugerepair]

I understand how you feel about it. But what about great people who were born, and they could improve life a bit in some kind of way?! probably their parents are so proud of their decision of procreation. I'm really sad that I do exist, but I don't find it moral or logical to generalize or impose my views on others. I understand you though, it's better not to bring more kids to this hell world. At the end, we can't control others, and everyone is limited to his choices and external life conditions.

Sure, some people are able to improve life a bit, but not so much that they make life worth it. And the chances of someone turning out to be a great person are very low. They probably have more of a chance of turning out to be an abusive asshole who spreads trauma and suffering everywhere they go. Fact is, you don't know how someone is going to turn out. The only thing you do know for sure, is that they will suffer, and they will die. You don't know how they will suffer and die, but you know that it will happen, no matter what.

As for parents of great people who are proud of their decision to procreate, that's like someone firing a gun into a crowd at random because they feel like it, and they wind up hitting and killing only one person, a serial killer who tortures victims in their basement. Like, ok, they probably prevented many premature deaths and suffering by killing the serial killer, but that doesn't make it ok to fire a gun into a crowd at random.

You mean stop fucking? Cause if there's fucking,there's gonna be pro creating!
Unless you do it hotelbeneathground style! (Slamming dem old mans buttholes!!)

I don't mean "stop fucking". There is such a thing as contraception, abortion, sterilization, outercourse, and gay sex (which you alluded to...I think?).

 

[Mr2005]

Well, precisely because getting consent is impossible, we shouldn't bring said baby into the world. In other situations where getting consent is impossible (say, if someone is passed out drunk), we don't just go ahead and do whatever we feel like.

If the moral highground causes all life on earth to go extinct then I'd say that was a pretty stupid species too caught up in the concepts it just invented. We're not above nature

 

[lugerepair]

If the moral highground causes all life on earth to go extinct then I'd say that was a pretty stupid species too caught up in the concepts it just invented. We're not above nature

Nature is pretty dumb, tbh. Why do animals reproduce? No reason. They reproduce to reproduce. There is no point to any of it. I don't see what's so bad about going extinct.

 

[Mr2005]

Nature is pretty dumb, tbh. Why do animals reproduce? No reason. They reproduce to reproduce. There is no point to any of it. I don't see what's so bad about going extinct.

You wouldn't you're on a suicide forum but I bet you weren't always suicidal

 

[lugerepair]

You wouldn't you're on a suicide forum but I bet you weren't always suicidal

Do you think that only suicidal people think that procreation is immoral and humans should go extinct? Because that's not the case.

 

[Mr2005]

Do you think that only suicidal people think that procreation is immoral and humans should go extinct? Because that's not the case.

No I think suicidal people can't get laid and want the world to pay.

 

[Journeytoletgo]

It's fine for procreation provided the individuals imposing life are able to ensure the baby will have a quality life. Functional supportive family unit, quality of looks, social skills, self esteem, and no trauma to their children great for them. However those unfit should not breed dysfunctional unsupportive families, lack of social skills and status, low self esteem, these are the types that should be screened before breeding

 

[lugerepair]

No I think suicidal people can't get laid and want the world to pay.

@Mr2005 (reply button wasn't working for some reason)

That's pretty uncharitable...it's more that I see the suffering that goes on in the world, and I wish there was no such suffering, and the most surefire way of achieving that would be by putting an end to procreation. Kind of the opposite of wanting the world to pay.

 

[BottomlessPit]

I find it fascinating to no end how natalists often times end up throwing around baseless ad hominem attacks when they realize that they can't defend their position.

Case in point:
"No I think suicidal people can't get laid and want the world to pay." -- @Mr2005
Yeah, why try to come up with sound arguments if you can just create an absurd strawman?

 

[Mr2005]

@Mr2005 (reply button wasn't working for some reason)

That's pretty uncharitable...it's more that I see the suffering that goes on in the world, and I wish there was no such suffering, and the most surefire way of achieving that would be by putting an end to procreation. Kind of the opposite of wanting the world to pay.

I know that's what you say and in your case maybe it's true but it isn't in most cases. I lot of the nicest people I've met here are parents

 

[lugerepair]

It's fine for procreation provided the individuals imposing life are able to ensure the baby will have a quality life. Functional supportive family unit, quality of looks, social skills, self esteem, and no trauma to their children great for them. However those unfit should not breed dysfunctional unsupportive families, unfavorable genetic defects, lack of social skills and status, low self esteem, these are the types that should be screened before breeding

No one can ensure a quality life. That is impossible. You can never know what will happen to someone that might make their life unbearable, despite them being born with every advantage. Not to mention that everyone, without exception, will suffer and die. Also, eugenics isn't cool.

 

[BottomlessPit]

I know that's what you say and in your case maybe it's true but it isn't in most cases.

I would love to hear how you come to that belief.

 

[Mr2005]

I find it fascinating to no end how natalists often times end up throwing around baseless ad hominem attacks when they realize that they can't defend their position.

Case in point:
"No I think suicidal people can't get laid and want the world to pay." -- @Mr2005
Yeah, why try to come up with sound arguments if you can just create an absurd strawman?

Do I have to save everything posted just to prove my point? All you 've got to do is pay attention to what people say but you've got to be interested in the first place