Do young men vote right-wing because they perceive it as cool?

[noname223]

Joe Rogan, Musk and the bro culture. Trump after the assassination. Anti-woke vibes. Anti-metoo. Being "hard" and not soft.

There is a right-wing extreme politician in my country Max Krah that made a TikTok Video and gives advices for young men how to get a girlfriend.

In a video on TikTok, Krah advised men not to let themselves be persuaded that they have to be "nice, soft, weak and left-wing." "Real men," Krah said, are right-wing, and emphasized several times: "We don't need immigration, we need children."

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Clearly it's because young men are inherently evil and there is no redeeming them. They must be getting ahead of the inevitable need for them to be extinguished by wishing it upon everyone else instead. I'm including myself among them even though I don't really know most of the people you're talking about.

 

[avoid]

I doubt it. People, including young men, vote for what they think is best for them and society as a whole. Everyone faces some problem that needs to be solved with legislative action. And it's up to the voter to decide which political party they think offers the best solution to societal problems. I don't think anyone who takes the time to vote would waste it to look cool. Besides, votes are anonymous or at least they should be.

 

[AnnonyBox]

George Carlin once said "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are supider than that!" and I think that sums up society very well. We have the most unprecidented access to information in the history of Man, yet we don't use it. Instead people would rather clout chase by attacking the web archive, or try to appear more masculine by saying "your body my choice" or harassing gay folks. We have simultaneous famine and obesity crises. Our problems are all manufactured, false, but as a society we don't address them. I think there's a lot of willful ignorance out there too. People don't want to know. They'd rather live in a falsehood than fix reality.

 

[Nobodi]

Who ever engineers the algorithm controls society. It's Plato cave most of these people are puppets they follow a trend.

George Carlin once said "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are supider than that!" and I think that sums up society very well. We have the most unprecidented access to information in the history of Man, yet we don't use it. Instead people would rather clout chase by attacking the web archive, or try to appear more masculine by saying "your body my choice" or harassing gay folks. We have simultaneous famine and obesity crises. Our problems are all manufactured, false, but as a society we don't address them. I think there's a lot of willful ignorance out there too. People don't want to know. They'd rather live in a falsehood than fix reality

Yep exactly

 

[Shadows From Hell]

It's not that they think it's cool... It's because they are sick of the crap from the left.

I know a lot of people who were Democrats their entire life, and switched to the right because of it.

Biden was booted, and I can bet that had there been voting for the next democratic president nominee, Harris would have lost a long time ago.

 

[banger12]

I'm a young man (22 y/o) who "votes right wing" but tbh idk if I'm very representative of your average young conservative-leaning guy because tbh I definitely notice what you're talking about and it annoys the shit out of me.

Ig a way to think about it is that if the campaign continually invested in that kind of outreach then at the time they probably felt like they were getting something out of it to keep investing time and resources into that messaging, outreach, advertising etc. Especially post-election, the win as well as what the exit polls revealed seen to indicate that it worked quite well for Trumps campaign. So this definitely makes your theory plausible.

Much to my chagrin, I personally think that you're correct and that this stupid macho arsthetic bullshit is part of the Trump/MAGA/Republicans appeal to young male voters. I hate it but ig you gotta do what you gotta do to win an election and you can't hand pick the electorate and have to appeal to the one that already exists (notwithstanding the fact that Trump the man on a personal level is very unpleasant and fits the aesthetic quite well).

I like to think that I come to my voting decisions and political opinions for different (and in my opinion way better) reasons. My preference for Donald Trump, at least as far as i can tell, was motivated by very different concerns. Plus, for what it's worth, as much as I don't like it I'm a fairly effeminate guy in a lot of ways so the "cool MAGA tough guy" aesthetic was never going to be my cup of tea anyway. Again though, warning, idk if I'm representative of your average Trump voting young guy at all.

Also idk many people my age so take everything with a grain of salt because im too isolated to know people.

Sorry if this was a dumb or annoying response and I hope it's not too long of a read.

I doubt it. People, including young men, vote for what they think is best for them and society as a whole. Everyone faces some problem that needs to be solved with legislative action. And it's up to the voter to decide which political party they think offers the best solution to societal problems. I don't think anyone who takes the time to vote would waste it to look cool. Besides, votes are anonymous or at least they should be.

As much as I hope you're right idk people are pretty stupid and vapid so it wouldn't shock me if they made their voting choice based off of dumb shit like what OP was referring to, or at least if they let the dumb shit determine their idea of who may have better policy solutions to problems.

Again though, I hope you're correct and maybe this is my inner resentful nerdy outcast self from high school coming back with a vengeance, in which case I'm a piece of shit.

 

[NikolaiK]

i always perceived that we in the west have no culture, i hated white people, our culture was just adolf hitler and the kkk. The purpose of life was just to work and consume, i was totally nihilistic. I became a "radical leftist" because anyone with dissident views is shuffled in there, its the only acceptable place to express you discontent with society. Ironically you become the biggest supporter of the progressive regime that thas lead to the many discontents of modern western society. It was a strange moment when i realised others shared my views on the meaninglessness and nihilism of the west, the environmetnal destruction caused by materialsm, destruction of family and community, and destruction of beauty, they were far right. I realised they were talking some sense and the real reason for the discontents of so many of us isn't white men, conservatives, or donald trump, they are just scapegoats. The real cause of our ever increasing problems is not social systems of the past, it's the current system. The far right are the only ones pushing back and speaking up about our real problems in the west. Of course they are demonised, they are a threat to our current establishment.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

i always perceived that we in the west have no culture, i hated white people, our culture was just adolf hitler and the kkk. The purpose of life was just to work and consume, i was totally nihilistic. I became a "radical leftist" because anyone with dissident views is shuffled in there, its the only acceptable place to express you discontent with society. Ironically you become the biggest supporter of the progressive regime that thas lead to the many discontents of modern western society. It was a strange moment when i realised others shared my views on the meaninglessness and nihilism of the west, the environmetnal destruction caused by materialsm, destruction of family and community, and destruction of beauty, they were far right. I realised they were talking some sense and the real reason for the discontents of so many of us isn't white men, conservatives, or donald trump, they are just scapegoats. The real cause of our ever increasing problems is not social systems of the past, it's the current system. The far right are the only ones pushing back and speaking up about our real problems in the west. Of course they are demonised, they are a threat to our current establishment.

You do realize that your current system is the same one from the past, right? It's the same one causing all of the problems you are complaining about. Materialism and consumerism are aspects of capitalism, a lot of environmental concerns partly come down to capitalism, and the destruction of the family has to do with the promotion of the nuclear family unit and "traditional values". Donald Trump isn't going to fix any of these issues. He's going to just end up worsening them. You didn't vote against the current establishment, you voted in favour of giving it more power. The right doesn't even focus on real issues most of the time. I should know since I used to watch a lot of right-wing bullshit back in middle school and high school. A lot of it was just either misinformation or complaining about shit that was "woke". Do you know how many times I find right-wingers complaining about shit, such as trans children being given gender reassignment surgery despite that not even being a fucking thing? There is no "progressive regime" in your country. You guys don't even have an actual major left-wing party. The Republicans and Democrats have actually been going further and further right of the political, not left. You live in a country with two right-leaning parties. Look at every other developed country in the West and compare it to the US. You guys lean further right and have been leaning further right than most Western nations for a long time. We've even talked about it before in my country (your upstairs neighbour).

 

[NikolaiK]

You do realize that your current system is the same one from the past, right? It's the same one causing all of the problems you are complaining about. Materialism and consumerism are aspects of capitalism, a lot of environmental concerns partly come down to capitalism, and the destruction of the family has to do with the promotion of the nuclear family unit and "traditional values". Donald Trump isn't going to fix any of these issues. He's going to just end up worsening them. You didn't vote against the current establishment, you voted in favour of giving it more power. The right doesn't even focus on real issues most of the time. I should know since I used to watch a lot of right-wing bullshit back in middle school and high school. A lot of it was just either misinformation or complaining about shit that was "woke". Do you know how many times I find right-wingers complaining about shit, such as trans children being given gender reassignment surgery despite that not even being a fucking thing? There is no "progressive regime" in your country. You guys don't even have an actual major left-wing party. The Republicans and Democrats have actually been going further and further right of the political, not left. You live in a country with two right-leaning parties. Look at every other developed country in the West and compare it to the US. You guys lean further right and have been leaning further right than most Western nations for a long time. We've even talked about it before in my country (your upstairs neighbour).

Im not sure that traditional values and the nuclear family are the cause of increasing divorce rates.

I am also not defending capitalism or the republican party. I am critical of the progressive liberal regime as a whole which includes capitalism. The propenents of the industrial revolution were progressive liberals, and the free market is liberal, the environmetnal destruction caused by capitalism is on the hands of progressive liberalism. The orginal environmentalists were conservatives, it's in the name "conservation". Blaming right wingers is a scapegoat to explain why we haven't reached utopia yet, so that the progressive spearhead retains an image of having clean hands and the trajectory continues.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Im not sure that traditional values and the nuclear family are the cause of increasing divorce rates.

I am also not defending capitalism or the republican party. I am critical of the progressive liberal regime as a whole which includes capitalism. The propenents of the industrial revolution were progressive liberals, and the free market is liberal, the environmetnal destruction caused by capitalism is on the hands of progressive liberalism. The orginal environmentalists were conservatives, it's in the name "conservation". Blaming right wingers is a scapegoat to explain why we haven't reached utopia yet, so that the progressive spearhead retains an image of having clean hands and the trajectory continues.

The divorce rate has literally been decreasing over time, not increasing. This is esepcislly the case when looking at Gen X and millenials. Also, what "progressive liberal regime"? In your original post, you mention the "radical left", which is anti-capitalist. Liberals are not the same as leftists. Conservatives aren't "the original evironemntalists". Conservatives have a history of getting rid of environmental protections and kissing the asses of large corporations, especially oil and gas lobbyists. Right-wingers are not some poor little scapegoat. They are actively hated on for good reason.

 

[NikolaiK]

The divorce rate has literally been decreasing over time, not increasing. This is esepcislly the case when looking at Gen X and millenials. Also, what "progressive liberal regime"? In your original post, you mention the "radical left", which is anti-capitalist. Liberals are not the same as leftists. Conservatives aren't "the original evironemntalists". Conservatives have a history of getting rid of environmental protections and kissing the asses of large corporations, especially oil and gas lobbyists. Right-wingers are not some poor little scapegoat. They are actively hated on for good reason

the divorce rate has been massively increasing long term.

I am from the UK so the politics here is a little different. Conservatives (capital C not necessarily tories) have historically been interested in conserving british countryside from largescale modern development. The environmental activist left is anti capitalist but only when it comes to the west, they readily encourage industrial development in non western countries and would consider it progress. I also personally think that materialist ideology, excessive development and urban living has disconnected us from nature and lead to its exploitation. I don't see much hope in climate activists because they ironically are some of the loudest advocates of these things. They are largely materialists who if they had there way would probably urbanise the entire world with just a few national parks dotted around, which would probably be full of car parks, sign posts and art displays.

Unfortunately i don't have any solutions for how to improve the world. I'm just pessimistic. Observing things and complaining about them. I guess that's why im here on this forum. I do think maybe stop doing the things that are causing the problems would be a good start. Modern ideas have caused modern problems, so taking a step back to re-evaluate might not be a bad idea.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't know much at all about politics but, I don't think people- men or women but maybe especially men like being told what to do. Or that their lives are being controlled by others. In the UK, we were enticed to vote for Brexit by being told how we were all being controlled by Europe and Brussells or whatever. So much focus was placed on what they took from us. Sadly, those who opposed it didn't seem to do an equally good job of arguing what the benefits were and what we'd lose if we left.

I think it works in a similar way though. I don't think it's so much that it's seen as 'cool'. More that it plays on fears- these other rules are emasculating you.

The irony I suppose is that- whatever we follow, we're still following someone else's ideology and an agenda that will primarily suit them.

 

[Leiot]

People don't for for anything anymore; it's all about voting against someone else. The media and internet has turned people against each other. It's easy to hate because you can blame all your problems on someone else, and these pundits make someone else the villain. Usually left vs right or some shit like that.

 

[littleadonis]

i always perceived that we in the west have no culture, i hated white people, our culture was just adolf hitler and the kkk. The purpose of life was just to work and consume, i was totally nihilistic. I became a "radical leftist" because anyone with dissident views is shuffled in there, its the only acceptable place to express you discontent with society. Ironically you become the biggest supporter of the progressive regime that thas lead to the many discontents of modern western society. It was a strange moment when i realised others shared my views on the meaninglessness and nihilism of the west, the environmetnal destruction caused by materialsm, destruction of family and community, and destruction of beauty, they were far right. I realised they were talking some sense and the real reason for the discontents of so many of us isn't white men, conservatives, or donald trump, they are just scapegoats. The real cause of our ever increasing problems is not social systems of the past, it's the current system. The far right are the only ones pushing back and speaking up about our real problems in the west. Of course they are demonised, they are a threat to our current establishment.

The most uneducated and backwards comment I've read in a while. I'm guessing you're a JBP fan. It sounds like something he would say. He is not educated on the topics he is speaking about mate. He's notoriously a pseudointellectual. The majority of intellectuals, I'm talking about scientists, historians, and other experts, are liberal thinkers and there's a reason for that. I actually had the opposite journey you had. I was a very conservative person but I became obsessed with study and scholarship. And studying the evidence made me question and abandon all the values I used to hold because I realised how my thinking came solely from a total misunderstanding of how the world actually works. I was deluded and what changed my perception of the world was a lot of introspection (tackling my own cognitive biases and fallacious thinking) and a healthy respect for actual evidence.