Do you think its because of chemicals in your Brain or life has just been shit?

[IsThisTheEnd?]

Do you think its because of chemicals in your Brain or life has just been shit? I suppose its the old question of nurture vs nature and some people on here might be because there is a chemical imbalance and medication may or may not help but what if life has been shit no amount of chemical fixing drugs are going to help that are they.

 

[cii]

It can be a multitude of things. There are some medications that can be imperative for your recovery, but also it could just be you were handed the shittiest end of the stick possible. If not that, maybe you developed a mental disorder with no cure due to being brought up in a bad environment, cluster B disorders are examples of those.

Regardless, things can always get better, just as they can get worse. It's up to us where we want to take that step. Even if there is no cure or no drugs can help, we can help ourselves, through treatments like DBT. I wouldn't really like to say someone is hopeless.

 

[muffin222]

For me personally, it was a shitty, abusive, dysfunctional upbringing that hurt my heart and paved the way for various mental illnesses later down the line in adolescence and adulthood

 

[Lil_Intro_Vert]

I feel like to some degree I've trained myself to treat myself poorly. I've had multiple shitty experiences that have fucked me up and gender dysphoria is something I was born with and can't really help, but there's definitely some learned habits that are so hardwired into me now that idk how to get rid of them. imo drugs just help with retraining your brain a lot, altho in some cases they can genuinely just help with shitty imbalances. some people's brains refuse all forms of treatment tho and it's why I'm so pro choice, it's like a terminal or chronic illness. I'm tired so I rambled but maybe this makes sense

 

[Disappointered]

While my brain might have little imbalances or defects, that isn't why my life - which originally had potential - was ruined. It was ruined because my parents are social and emotional retards, extremely weak role models, and actually told me to be hostile in certain ways to the environment they brought me to. They bear the bulk of the responsibility for my tragic nightmare, along with the filthy rats who encouraged them to marry and breed even thought they're both losers from different cultures and races, and then pushed one of them out of a job in europe to a new pseudo-leftist institution in anglo canada.

 

[LittleJem]

In my case emotional abuse and neglect as a child: like my mum calling me the devil incarnate and calling me names etc... and giving me no guidance.
But I also in recent years begin to think it could also be genetic mental illness as well as the aftermath of that trauma. I don't know if it's depression or autism in my case - just don't know. Probably never will know. It is definitely brain chemistry though, as I feel better when my brain chemistry is helped by something such as supplement or a drug.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I've just been thinking about this. With regards to depression, I believe there are three main types:

Chronic depression: the variety that doctors would have us believe is caused by a chemical imbalance.

Circumstantial depression: your life is shit and you are unhappy because of it, which is a perfectly rational response.

Existential depression: You look at the world, life and the nature of things and think "Fuck this."

I suspect that finding a causal factor in all of this is often unrealistic. So often, depression is a mixture of all three, because one factor naturally influences the others.

 

[Viro_Major]

I'm now convinced - better late than never - that the largest part lies in a sure form of parasitism which pulls strings at the puppet you become from invisible hands (coming from somebody who lived through catatonic phases on and off every few months since 20 years)
Context (including the derivation of how it's processed) plays a role to keep your head under water but untying the noose will also trigger access to solving issues with a domino cascading effect. However, if you neglect your machinery, just expect a struggling way out which will really be bumpy, and likely temporary. For me, it became principally an equation, find an unknown, then the next one (could be set on a different field), the rest will follow.

 

[IsThisTheEnd?]

thank you all for your replies and I hope there will be more.

it just always seems to me doctors etc think antidepressants are the answer etc yeah they help for a short time but what if life is shit and you can't change it, why is it hard for people to understand life has been bad I don't see a point in going on etc.

but I think there is more to it, think of some homeless people or disabled people who carry on in life without a thought for suicide? whats going on there? maybe it is all chemicals or maybe they have had a happy life in there experience.

 

[woxihuanni]

No.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

but I think there is more to it, think of some homeless people or disabled people who carry on in life without a thought for suicide? whats going on there? maybe it is all chemicals or maybe they have had a happy life in there experience.

I too have noticed that. Some people will continue regardless of how bad things are.
The truth is that no-one can ever really understand someone else's suffering or their emotional resolves. What floors one person might be a walk in the park for another.
Some people are relentless pessimists and won't thrive even if they have every opportunity whilst some people are mindless optimists and will not cave to negativity no matter how bad the situation is.
Both personalities have their advantages and disadvantages. Both IMO can be both beneficial and dangerous at the same time. People are weird like that.
Is it down to genetics? Pre-determined hormonal levels? Is it natural selection throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks?

 

[Life_and_Death]

Chronic depression: the variety that doctors would have us believe is caused by a chemical imbalance.

Circumstantial depression: your life is shit and you are unhappy because of it, which is a perfectly rational response.

Existential depression: You look at the world, life and the nature of things and think "Fuck this."

I'm gonna use this as a guide so thank you.

Yes yes and yes.

Chronic. Lately I've taken to looking back at my life. My "personality" hasn't really changed and I have a personality disorder so that highly suggests I was born broken.

Circumstancial. My parents abused me in all 3 main ways. And my friends/exs (not all but 90%+) used me and abused me. Meaning that if I was born broken there was no stopping me from getting worse.

Existential. It really really hurts the way this world is and I'd rather not be a part of the destruction.

So I was f'ed since the beginning.

 

[Symbiote]

Both. The environment I grew up in caused more chemicals in my brain to be produced more that helped protect my psyche and kept me grey during abusive trauma. I'm medicine resistant and EMDR is too traumatizing for me at the moment.

 

[Lilacmoon]

for me, wasnt chemicals or life. im the problem. im the one that's shit.

 

[ThrownAwayTom]

This is hard for me to answer. My life really isn't all that terrible when compared to some people, but I guess that's all subjective to the life you've lived and been brought in to. I think losing confidence and generally becoming a walking doormat lead to chemical activity in the brain, which then induces even more lack of self worth over time. I like to think my medication helps me a lot, but I don't know if it still really does, or if I'm just too scared to stop cos the withdrawals from Venlafaxine/Effexor are a bitch.

 

[MrBlue]

Bit of both probably, I'm kind wired wrong or something, which led to isolation and chronic loneliness, which led me here I guess. I imagine if I managed to sort out how to stop the situational stuff then maybe I'd feel content in myself, but unfortunately I'm the reason that I can't get the situational stuff, so that's not looking likely.

 

[Viro_Major]

@SuchAStrangeWorld just exposed me the idea that everybody is not equal about the assessement of life, like there are athletes who won't turn upside down limits if they are not born with the appropriate genetics. It's impossible to neglect this reality. Just here, we can count isolated SS members who knew it bold since babies, they will never have a grip about any good of human life for x and y justified reasons. Which makes it so righteous to try to escape at all cost what feels like an unwanted trap.
On the other hand, many also have known varied periods where the colours were flickering towards other perspectives. Just the early childhood is a testimonial of a shift of perception before our anchors are put to the test and often get corrupted, but also tormented. It's difficult to confirm whether or not and to which extent our fibers are not victims of external factors which bend our core nature. It could be or it could not be. It develops with complexity.
Instead of hypothetising over a truth, as long as you could be under influence of FILTERS which are also applying out of control pressures, imho it may not be the perfect time to ask the question or you encounter the danger to be fooled by randomness. However, if you take the steps to try everything with empowerement, maintain the view of condemnation without appeal, then it really is game over.
In conclusion, this site is full of ressources, like the threads of @Sensei for instance. If one can afford it - sadly not everyone is in a position to even reach appropriate support to begin with - I'd at least try but with attendance, new found balance and creativity (not with damaging psych drugs. Thankfully some new breed of psychiatrists also emerge with alternative solutions, just rarely reimbursed) in order to attempt to be free of filters once again in a lifetime, like you've already known it before, to simply meet again with your inner self for verification.
As for me, I could grow teary to have not realise this opportunity 20 years ago. Didn't accept the help that was given for free, didn't accept myself and my failures, didn't accept my worth to stand up. For the worse, instead I deployed a legendary stubborn opposition belonging to own certitudes. Late people here have proven me wrong. Thank you's

 

[Futile]

Shit life

 

[VivaldiBR]

I heard that every mental illness is dysfunction of the individual in and his relationship with a given society. so it's not just a brain problem

 

[Chupacabra 44]

I think my gene pool, brain chemicals, etc., has led to a shit life. While in hypomania I can comprehend how life could feel enjoyable for others on a daily basis, and it helps me understand how some from unfortunate upbringings are able to overcome their adversity and live happily. If I could have perpetually run at about 20% hypomania without any swings, I think I would have functioned better and enjoyed life.

 

[BPD Barbie]

For me I think it's both. I believe my bipolar is a chemical imbalance and my BPD is a bad childhood.

 

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[Good4Nothing]

for me, wasnt chemicals or life. im the problem. im the one that's shit.

I don't believe this at all.

Don't be mad, Lilac. I mean I don't think you're shit.

 

[Sensei]

A chemical imbalance in my brain has turned my life into shit. Had I not developed bipolar disorder, my life would most likely have been bearable.

 

[MichaelNomad123]

The answer is both. One results in the other and vice versa. It isn't a binary solution.

I do think that the answer can become binary in more extreme scenarios though, such as serious mental illness (bpd) or some physical condition or injury (brain tumour, brain trauma like Phineas Gage).

However for garden variety plebs like me, it's just both. Shit life resulting in shit chemical balance and shit chemical balance resulting in shit life.

 

[KleinerWolf]

Mine was definitely circumstantial.
Although if I was dumb maybe I won't recognise my problems but then I'd just be someone else. Lol

I rather be in pain than not have existed.
How would I know what it's like otherwise.

I'm still in pain though...

 

[Viro_Major]

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Just wanted to point out. Your profile pic is damn cool @MichaelNomad123 !

 

[IsThisTheEnd?]

I guess it could be chicken egg or a bit of both but what if you think it was things that happened in life how do you not get mad? I don't think it's possible.

Mine was definitely circumstantial.
Although if I was dumb maybe I won't recognise my problems but then I'd just be someone else. Lol

I rather be in pain than not have existed.
How would I know what it's like otherwise.

I'm still in pain though...

maybe people who don't see it aren't dumb maybe there the clever ones?

 

[wonderworld]

i think mixture of both

 

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