Do you feel like suicide prevention campaigns are made for people who have caring friends and family

[FireFox]

Suicide prevention campaigns keep saying " don't kill yourself think of your family or friends". What about people who don't have family or friends? Or what about the people who don't have understanding or non judgemental family members or friends? Suicide prevention campaigns seem to ignore these people

I don't tell my family I am suicidal because they are judgemental. My family think because they overcame adversity and God helped them anyone who can't do the same is "weak". People like this are impossible to reason with.

If a person doesn't reach out to their family or friends it's for a reason. Not everyone has understanding family or friends . Reaching out can make it worse. I regret reaching out so many times believe me I did

 

[amerie]

i don't know if this is entirely accurate, but from my experience a lot of anti suicide and self harm films and PSA's often feature one specific demographic, and it's usually young, white, attractive, thin, and "sweet girl next door" middle class women with caring friends and family who happen to get a little depressed or they're getting bullied.

They don't show incels, or mean women, or POC, or anyone that's not special enough to feel bad for. Again maybe this is my experience and I'm sure there is a lot of rep for these groups especially now, but growing up I remember watching a lot of these films to feel better and not do it but I often found that they had a very narrow view of depressed people.

 

[fedup1982]

Yeah your family do sound hard to open up to. That must be hard, especially if you know they will spout stuff you don't align with. But at the end of the day they are family, and noone will put in more effort for you I expect than them? How do you know unless you try?

But yeh suicide campaigners get on my nerves. It's like, "why do you want people to suffer more than necessary"? Idk. But I haven't seen any such campaigns say think about your loved ones, that's just emotional blackmail!!

 

[Zeir Anpin 729]

Hm. I saw an anti-suicide poster at NC State once. It pissed me off. At the time, I was vibrant and full of life and potential. But I knew for a fact that none of the colleges (especially those which are all a part of the bureaucratic state system) really cared about anyone at all. It was a LARP. They only like money and pretending to care about others.

 

[dcsanaifdfd]

I would say the modern mental health field in general. Where to "get better" you are asked to reach out to your support system like family and friends, but in most cases there is de facto no easy way to build a support system if you don't already get along with your existing family and don't have friends.

 

[Emillss]

The world's full of grifters. Any organization that turns a profit - unless it's living solely off donations to stay afloat - doesn't genuinely care about you

 

[Cauliflour]

I'm paranoid as fuck about making the people close to me dislike me in any way so just straight up telling them "yeah I'm suicidal, please do something about it"? Yeah fuck that I would rather talk about all the kinds of porn I've Googled in my life than admit I'm a little fucked in the head. At least with the former I can excuse it as "a byproduct of the sexual revolution".

 

[amerie]

I would rather talk about all the kinds of porn I've Googled in my life than admit I'm a little fucked in the head.

interesting analogy

 

[Cauliflour]

interesting analogy

i like my stupid little analogies

 

[amerie]

i like my stupid little analogies

I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but this reminded me of this one TikTok where it was like

"End racism or have your trans identity accepted" and the audio was like "you have a heart? 𝖆 𝖈𝖔𝖑𝖉 𝖔𝖓𝖊"

 

[Cauliflour]

I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but this reminded me of this one TikTok where it was like

"End racism or have your trans identity accepted" and the audio was like "you have a heart? 𝖆 𝖈𝖔𝖑𝖉 𝖔𝖓𝖊"

To be fair though, racism is pretty much innate due to hunter gatherer brains being at our core so I don't think it'll truly 100% go away...especially if British football fans still exist

 

[amerie]

To be fair though, racism is pretty much innate due to hunter gatherer brains being at our core so I don't think it'll truly 100% go away...especially if British football fans still exist

I think sports fans being bigots is a global phenomenon

 

[permanently tired]

I think ppl that reiterate that rhetoric fail to accept that life is simply pointless to some ppl and no amount of therapy or drugs will change that. It's ok to give up despite what society says, a louder voice is not necessarily one you want to subscribe to.

To put it nicely, why would I work, exert myself, and inconvenience myself for the entirety of my youth when the option of not having to experience any of that exists. I would be glad to accept the consequence of not knowing any potential moments of joy if it meant I don't feel the inverse as well. It's so simple to me, I don't see why other ppl are unable to see it from this perspective. They always hit you with the "never give up" and "but what abt the happy moments" as if I haven't considered the foreseeable future.

 

[Nightfoot]

They probably design their campaigns to reach the widest audience possible and assume that most people have either family and/or friends. I can understand how a lot of people who don't have either could see the campaigns as either empty platitudes or excluding them.

 

[LetMeOut67]

It's the same with murder victims or missing persons cases

Unattractive people, people with chaotic lives etc don't matter quite as much as everyone else
Almost as if their misfortune was self inflicted

 

[Vorty30]

"Suicide prevention campaigns" are just another sick joke made by the rotten system to keep it's slaves in line and in check.
After all, what better way to collect tax money than having more "servants" put in their place.
It is a disgusting trick and with all honestly, for anyone pro life and stupid enough to buy into that shit, the joke is on them.
They deserve no mercy, as they are also part of the problem.

 

[katara]

It's the same with murder victims or missing persons cases

Unattractive people, people with chaotic lives etc don't matter quite as much as everyone else
Almost as if their misfortune was self inflicted

Ya I think that's accurate. I've never seen an ugly woman on a missing persons poster. Maybe if she's a mom. Idk. I think most ppl care more about a pretty woman with no kids than an average woman with kids. Idk if there's been studies on this.

 

[Eternal Disaster]

Suicide prevention campaigns keep saying " don't kill yourself think of your family or friends". What about people who don't have family or friends? Or what about the people who don't have understanding or non judgemental family members or friends? Suicide prevention campaigns seem to ignore these people

Yes , I think suicide prevention is for those people only . It always says you have people who care but I don't have anyone who cares. They simply ignore me because I have these mental health issues and I am suicidal. My so called family and friends don't understand me, they don't want to. They see me as a burden so now I don't reach out to them.

 

[Manfrotto99]

Yes I believe it is for such people, it too difficult for society to acknowledge that some of us truly have no one who cares. It is easier to accuse and blame. Maybe the majority of people do not understand or they do not want to.

Ya I think that's accurate. I've never seen an ugly woman on a missing persons poster. Maybe if she's a mom. Idk. I think most ppl care more about a pretty woman with no kids than an average woman with kids. Idk if there's been studies on this.

Looks do take us a long way in this world u fortunately.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think, even if you're fortunate enough to have people that care, it doesn't just make all your problems go away. It's becoming increasingly obvious to my perents how badly I'm struggling. They actually care deeply but, in my Dad's own words- he doesn't know what he can do. Because there is nothing he can do! I don't enjoy life itself. I don't enjoy all the things required to sustain it but ultimately- there is no getting around that. If you quit doing those things, you just suffer more.

So, I agree- it isn't always a solution. It depends what that person is struggling with and, what they need. And, like you rightly, say, many families are ill equipt to give the person what they need. They may indeed not be all that loving or supportive or understanding even.

Plus, it's a trap as I see it- reaching out to people creates tethers for us. It might not necessarily help us either. But, maybe it does achieve their main aim. Creates a sense of guilt in us that there are now these people around us that we now need to stick around for in return. That seems cunning to me though- to trick us into that. Plus, it reveals their true intention. They don't actually care if we feel better having these people around. Just as long as we're trapped here- they've done their job. They're effectively jailers in a way. Maybe not that bothered about rehabilitation.

I suppose ultimately, because they aren't working for us. They're working for the people we might end up bereaving.

 

[lawlietsph]

I could never relate to the things they say.
"You matter, you are important!"
"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."
"It gets better, I know you don't see it now but it gets better!"
"Think about your family, no parent wants to get a call like that!"

I am completely numb to these shit. I mean Linda, i am almost 30 years old, NEVER had friends, NEVER had a supportive family, i've been wanting to kill myself for decades WITHOUT a break, i am barely surviving this capitalistic hellhole shit with my pathetic part time job, zero support, zero love, zero care, zero clothes, zero savings, a huge amount of physical problems, the list goes on and on...

when i hear "you matter, you are important", the first thing that pops up in my mind is when my mother told me: "I wish you were never born"
And how my father was nice to everyone, adults, kids, except to his own family. I remember when i told my mother i want to die and her answer was "And? What should i do about it?"
You can never convince me that i matter. All the bullying in school, all the times when my mother beat the shit out of me, all the times when my father choose others over us, all these years in misery... when every single day is like torture... hearing "it gets better" doesn't mean shit

sorry if it's not related, idk why i'm even talking :(

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I think that in general most societies/cultures are unkind to people who don't have an existing community or robust family support structure. It's just assumed everyone has loving and supportive families when in many situations, that's not the case, and few people want to step up to the plate and fill that sort of role for someone.

There are many homeless people out there or people living alone and barely coping with severe MH issues because they did not have adequate support from their relatives, but this is swept under the rug far too much I feel. All of the slogans and campaigns are always just dishing out responsibility to someone else- oh, we don't need to address societal issues causing people to be lonely and suicidal, or work towards building a mental healthcare system that is actually effective, because people can just talk to their family and friends or take a walk, we don't need to support each other as a collective!

I think the fact that many families are cruel, or uncaring, or simply ignorant is a bitter truth lost on a lot of people. It's hard to acknowledge that some people out there just do not have strong connections with their family, it goes against all biology and what we think is fair, to have a family who casts you aside, but for some of us that's the life we've been dealt whether others want to believe it or not.

 

[RoseGirl]

Checking lifeline's website lol and uhm. It's interesting. I'm on this forum because this is the only place where i won't get banned into oblivion for being suicidal lol.

I'm feeling suicidal - Lifeline Australia

Thoughts of suicide can be frightening, confusing and isolating. We’re here to listen and support you. If life is in danger, call 000.

www.lifeline.org.au

 

[developic]

i don't know if this is entirely accurate, but from my experience a lot of anti suicide and self harm films and PSA's often feature one specific demographic, and it's usually young, white, attractive, thin, and "sweet girl next door" middle class women with caring friends and family who happen to get a little depressed or they're getting bullied.

They don't show incels, or mean women, or POC, or anyone that's not special enough to feel bad for. Again maybe this is my experience and I'm sure there is a lot of rep for these groups especially now, but growing up I remember watching a lot of these films to feel better and not do it but I often found that they had a very narrow view of depressed people.

harsh truth lol..
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Checking lifeline's website lol and uhm. It's interesting. I'm on this forum because this is the only place where i won't get banned into oblivion for being suicidal lol.

I'm feeling suicidal - Lifeline Australia

Thoughts of suicide can be frightening, confusing and isolating. We’re here to listen and support you. If life is in danger, call 000.

www.lifeline.org.au

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[22yearsbroken]

I think that all the adverts on tv and all that bollocks.. is so that those who call themselves " our loved ones or friends' can say we gave them the number and we know about the awarness and campaighms .. just so it makes them feel better about themselves and it pribably makes them feel less guilt or its off there conscious ..when the day arrives for me...

 

[fallingbehind]

Yes. They are also only made for people who have circumstantial reasons to CTB as well, not for those with severe mental/physical health issues. The whole concept of a "temporary problem/permanent solution" quite literally only applies to them.

 

[FireFox]

It's the same with murder victims or missing persons cases

Unattractive people, people with chaotic lives etc don't matter quite as much as everyone else
Almost as if their misfortune was self inflicted

@LetMeOut67 This is so true. I watched a true crime documentary about a unsolved disappearance involving a missing woman case in the UK.

When she went missing the British press published these stories about the woman having affairs with married men in the local community. The fact she had affairs the media made it the main focus around her disappearance.

Her family and friends were upset because the media painted her as victim who didn't deserve sympathy because she slept with married men.

No human being is perfect. Her poor family and friends still don't know what has happened to their loved one. This woman has been missing for more than 10 years. A victim doesn't have to be perfect

I think that all the adverts on tv and all that bollocks.. is so that those who call themselves " our loved ones or friends' can say we gave them the number and we know about the awarness and campaighms .. just so it makes them feel better about themselves and it pribably makes them feel less guilt or its off there conscious ..when the day arrives for me...

@22yearsbroken Mental health awareness campaigns use grieving families in their adverts. I understand these campaigns and families mean well but they need to understand not everyone has nice and non judgemental families.

i don't know if this is entirely accurate, but from my experience a lot of anti suicide and self harm films and PSA's often feature one specific demographic, and it's usually young, white, attractive, thin, and "sweet girl next door" middle class women with caring friends and family who happen to get a little depressed or they're getting bullied.

They don't show incels, or mean women, or POC, or anyone that's not special enough to feel bad for. Again maybe this is my experience and I'm sure there is a lot of rep for these groups especially now, but growing up I remember watching a lot of these films to feel better and not do it but I often found that they had a very narrow view of depressed people.

@amerie This is same for eating disorders today. In TV shows and documentaries the person with an eating disorder is normally a young white woman or teenage girl in a middle class family in the suburbs.

Yes. They are also only made for people who have circumstantial reasons to CTB as well, not for those with severe mental/physical health issues. The whole concept of a "temporary problem/permanent solution" quite literally only applies to them.

@fallingbehind Some problems are not temporary. A person being diagnosed with a horrific painful illness with no cure is not temporary. A rape victim will have to live with the trauma of their rape forever.

Financial problems can also be permanent. A person who is bankrupt will face other fianacial restrictions on their lives for a long time.

the pharse suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem doesn't always apply