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Downbylife

Downbylife

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Feb 27, 2021
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Do you believe in predestination or any other form of the path that universe has for everyone? it all comes to seeing the signs. I might be crazy, but I'm seeing number 22 for my whole life. My next birthday is on 22.02.2022, my birth day year after summing up the numbers is 22, I was born at 22 o'clock and so on, and on. I know that some people call it angelic numbers, however I'm starting to believe that we are predestined since birth and the signs are leading us somewhere.

How about you?
 
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Trisolaris

Trisolaris

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Dec 11, 2018
447
No, I don't believe in it.
 
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BeansOfRequirement

BeansOfRequirement

Man-child, loser, autistic, etc.
Jan 26, 2021
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Hard determinism gang over here. No weird confirmation bias/magical thinking though.
 
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Lmd

Lmd

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Jul 12, 2020
812
My birthday is the day the world was going to end and I was excited to think that I would become the antichrist or something like that but nope, here we are with a mediocre life.
 
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whywere

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Jun 26, 2020
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NO, this life is/will be 1 of many BUT when one is here what one does, thinks, etc.. is for here and WE determine, at least somewhat our own path through this carbon based life till the next experience that awaits each and everyone of us. Walter
 
EmbraceOfTheVoid

EmbraceOfTheVoid

Part Time NEET - Full Time Suicidal
Mar 29, 2020
689
Determinism for me to an extent, though I still pretend it doesn't exist out of convenience. Nobody chooses to be born, their parents, the culture in which they're raised, their gender, their country, health, etc. All of those things compound into how others will treat you and the future choices you will make; that is if they can be considered choices at all.
 
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MMB

MMB

Every form of refuge has its price
Mar 14, 2021
53
Do you believe in predestination or any other form of the path that universe has for everyone? it all comes to seeing the signs. I might be crazy, but I'm seeing number 22 for my whole life. My next birthday is on 22.02.2022, my birth day year after summing up the numbers is 22, I was born at 22 o'clock and so on, and on. I know that some people call it angelic numbers, however I'm starting to believe that we are predestined since birth and the signs are leading us somewhere.

How about you?

I think that the mammalian brain is wired to see patterns. In survival / evolutionary terms, seeing and learning from patterns has many advantages. Any deeper meaning ascribed to those patterns is superstition in my view.
 
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killedbypsychiatry

killedbypsychiatry

drugging kids is abuse
Jan 27, 2021
797
yes, sort of, I believe in determinism, well hard incompatabilism. Basically I believe we don't have free will so 'we' aren't in control of what happens, it just happens and it's predetermined.
 
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Lucien

Lucien

A Nameless Monster
Mar 7, 2021
130
Hasn't modern physics driven a spear into the heart of non-deterministic thought. I can't imagine it won't just keep going.

Predestination is the same thing but you just add God into the mix, right? Which of the thousand theological takes on God? A thousand of them even within the same denomination of Christianity. I kind of like him in the Old Testament. He just makes a lot of sense there.
 
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Some1's_Wasted_Fetus

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Mar 20, 2021
174
I believe in predetermination if that's the same thing? I believe my life was predetermined to be shit. I believe people's lives are predetermined to be great or bad, to have purpose or have no purpose at all. Before anyone has even been conceived (even before they're a cell or fetus), their life has been predetermined. Your parents have already been selected, your race has already been determined. How wealthy your family is, how functional or dysfunctional your household is. Whether or not you will grow up with people in your social circles (from family and friends of family) that will be able to help you achieve your goals and aspirations. None of that is under your control. You can't choose your race, your height, your hair color, eye color, personality (to a certain extent), the socioeconomic status of your parents/neighborhood etc. That's why I don't believe in "free-will". The illusion of choice makes it seem as though we have more control over our lives than we actually do.

The genetic lottery chooses most of these things for us. Likability determines how people treat you. How agreeable and likable you are is determined by the face and traits you genetically inherit. All of these traits blended together determine the course of your life. That's why I chose this pfp and screen name lol (also b/c I love Courage). It explains why some people seem to excel at anything they do without much trouble while others seem to be working against some invisible force that determined they wouldn't achieve whatever it is their school teacher told them they could be. "You can grow up to be anything you want to be" is the biggest cope of the century. To be presented with great opportunities you need to be mildly attractive. To be attractive you need to win the genetic lotto. To achieve your dreams you need to grow up around the right people under specific circumstances. We don't choose the circumstances that layout the outlines of our lives
 
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EmbraceOfTheVoid

Part Time NEET - Full Time Suicidal
Mar 29, 2020
689
Hasn't modern physics driven a spear into the heart of non-deterministic thought. I can't imagine it won't just keep going.

Predestination is the same thing but you just add God into the mix, right? Which of the thousand theological takes on God? A thousand of them even within the same denomination of Christianity. I kind of like him in the Old Testament. He just makes a lot of sense there.
You can still believe in determinism and believe that God pushed the first domino to start the chain of cause and effect. I think predestination or fate falls under God's direct involvement in peoples lives which is different.
 
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Lucien

Lucien

A Nameless Monster
Mar 7, 2021
130
I think predestination or fate falls under God's direct involvement in peoples lives which is different.
Yeah that's why I referred to the Old Testament. It seems a lot of theological debates are fought over Christ(And the Trinity which you can't have without Christ). A cruel, vengeful God that treats humanity like clay to be shaped or a nuisance to be annihilated by a global flood, though. Now, that! That would answer a lot of my questions about my own reality succinctly... if only I had reason to believe this being gave specific people prophetic visions, had a son who performed miracles or destroyed ancient cities with fire.
 
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TriggerHappy

TriggerHappy

In the kingdom of th blind; the one-eyed are kings
Jan 24, 2021
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i personally (for what it's worth - and that ain't much!) don't believe in predestination or fate :: some things are aligned to produce an outcome :: but things are always variable (how often I change my mind in a minute is testament to this - no snarky refs to Old / New testament, G&E!)
i do believe in synchronicity though...
 
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WornOutLife

マット
Mar 22, 2020
7,163
Just like you, I have a number which follows me everywhere: 21.
Now, I haven't been seeing it too much but when it shows up a lot, it means something's gonna change so, no changes for now.
However, I think it's just some kind of message and has nothing to do with my "written" destiny.
I think we can all change our fate. For instance, some years ago I chose to love and live with my ex gf and now I've chosen the path of loneliness and possibly suicide. I can decide to live on or end things whenever I want. I'm free.
 
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demuic

demuic

Life was a mistake
Sep 12, 2020
1,383
I do believe in determinism.

Everything that was going to happen was going to happen because of the way things happened before that.

Related to your op, though I don't truly believe it has any significance, lately I have been seeing a lot of strange, extremely specific coincidences popping up as I go about everyday life. For example, if I happen to see someone on some show or something say the word Salome, in the same day I'll also come across someone talking about that in an unrelated piece of media that came out years earlier and that I had no knowledge of previously (real example). Things like that have been happening constantly in the last few months. I consider it as the universe having an inside joke with me.
 
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Superdeterminist

Superdeterminist

Enlightened
Apr 5, 2020
1,876
Yes. Was that path carved by some conscious god watching over us? I don't believe so, because I've never seen anything directly suggesting a god. We're able to manipulate our own paths, but ultimately how we do that is also something decided by mindless atoms in motion.
 
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Lucien

Lucien

A Nameless Monster
Mar 7, 2021
130
Yes. Was that path carved by some conscious god watching over us? I don't believe so, because I've never seen anything directly suggesting a god. We're able to manipulate our own paths, but ultimately how we do that is also something decided by mindless atoms in motion.
Not just any God for most of the western world. Omnipresent, omnipotent, works in mysterious ways. Somehow cares about individual fates at the same time or maybe just about the soul since this life is all a big test.

Yeah he's unknowable but you can have a personal connection with him at the same time. He's sort of metaphoric, so you seem like an idiot talking about him but, also, not really metaphoric when it's convenient.

I hope that wasn't confusing.
 
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Superdeterminist

Superdeterminist

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Not just any God for most of the western world. Omnipresent, omnipotent, works in mysterious ways. Somehow cares about individual fates at the same time or maybe just about the soul since this life is all a big test.

Yeah he's unknowable but you can have a personal connection with him at the same time. He's sort of metaphoric, so you seem like an idiot talking about him but, also, not really metaphoric when it's convenient.

I hope that wasn't confusing.
God is the creator of all things. Yes he created your brain and everything that will ever affect it, but you're still free too choose, don't you see! If you're suffering it's all your fault and you need to beg his forgiveness!!!!
 
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Lucien

Lucien

A Nameless Monster
Mar 7, 2021
130
He's a huge fan of rape, torture, sadism, corruption
The devil is the one who doesn't care being the bully in the playground, gods the one who watches secretly egging him on to do more behind closed doors.


Average theist logic "Thank God he loves US and keeps us safe honey, not doing to us like he does to them poor bastards over there"

Till the suffering comes to your door.

Infinitely selfish humans, I use to pity theists now I see the truth they are the worst of all.
I wouldn't waste another second thinking about religion under different circumstances. However, I'd be lying if I said I didn't believe I owe my protracted, artificial and shallow existence to some hodgepodge of institutions with nebulous ideas of what a perfect world is, and their plan to get there. The church in all its non-neglible influence is among those. I have come to loathe the idea that consciousness/'human experience' is divine (whatever this word means?) and that it is someone's mission to keep it around against its will. Can't help but believe this underpins the mess of scripted sentiment regurgitated daily about suicide.

Of course, there's also the practical side of things; or why the government would like to keep me around. Nobody wants to clean up my corpse. I will not be making cash for anyone once I exit, no doubt about it (well, maybe funeral services). Someone might hear about my end and think "oh that reminds me, my life is also a swirling abyss". That's not good for their productivity and the government/employer might be forced to cover their pills and inevitable therapy! Because that's what it's also about. Can't stop the feel-good juices flowing for everyone else, so staying chained to this rock while vultures dine on my intestines is the heroic, correct and noble thing to do. Except I'm not the Titan named Prometheus last I checked. But if I ever went to a therapist he'd ask me why I'm underestimating myself! After all, we can all be the Titan god of fire if we're mindful.
 
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BluesRunTheGame

BluesRunTheGame

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Dec 15, 2020
1,715
I do believe in determinism.

Everything that was going to happen was going to happen because of the way things happened before that.
Pretty much this.
 
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Lucien

A Nameless Monster
Mar 7, 2021
130
Interested to know more. Any source for this?
Yeah that claim of mine was smack talk, I admit I shouldn't have involved physics out of the blue. I believe free will is a silly sounding idea. A belief but I stick to it.

When I made the comment I assumed (just for this conversation) determinism to mean "laws exist that govern nature". I should have probably clarified that one oops. It's usually causal determinism that's really talked about when people are trying to connect free will(or absence thereof) and physics. There is no way to prove causal determinism or even the presence of laws. In my hobbyist-level experience I've never heard of any experiment that fully rules out causal determinism, just makes more or less plausible in some wider theoretical framework. I am not sure how well-respected deterministic theories within quantum mechanics are but they exist - Pilot-wave theory was just one.

There is a philosophical stance called 'superdeterminism' which I think took off around discussion of Bell's theorem and, if true, would mean scientific experiments as we know them are useless in understanding nature. Most physicists don't want to spend time discussing that; not their true area of interest. Bell's theorem might be worth giving a look, though it's more like a gateway to increasingly difficult questions and discussion. Understanding the language around it(hidden variables, locality, etc.) may be helpful or interesting to you.
 
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GrumpyFrog

GrumpyFrog

Exhausted
Aug 23, 2020
1,913
I believe that in a way we do have a "predetermined path" - it's predetermined by the many connections neurons have already formed inside our brains, the whole thing we call "personality". Who we are determines what decisions are we going to make in any given circumstances, and while life is full of decisions, every decision we make is a consequence of what we already went through with a little bit of genetics sprinkled on top.
 
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whywere

Illuminated
Jun 26, 2020
3,245
I believe that in a way we do have a "predetermined path" - it's predetermined by the many connections neurons have already formed inside our brains, the whole thing we call "personality". Who we are determines what decisions are we going to make in any given circumstances, and while life is full of decisions, every decision we make is a consequence of what we already went through with a little bit of genetics sprinkled on top.
HI! Just a quick note that I 100% agree with you @Nessie on your thoughts on this matter. You are wise indeed!! Walter :happy::hug:
 
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◄✵火✵〇°Ø•WÅR•ΰ〇✵火✵►

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Feb 22, 2021
195
I believe in it as in a general direction but to me, the path towards it can vary. Basically, I believe everyone and everything has a place where they truly belong, that's what's determined as soon as one exists (or maybe even before that) but there's some wiggle room when it comes to the journey towards it. If that makes sense lol. I believe All will reach their true place eventually because one always ends up longing and seeking for it (or maybe not) at some point or another... Anyway...

But I guess it could all just be determined and one just thinks they're somewhat in control when really they aren't, so... And I guess it also depends on what else exists at the same time and in each particular moment because that could influence the path... But I think one can encompass everything that is and was and figure out what will happen or could happen based on everything that exists and has existed. But one would need to be all-seeing, all-knowing, etc... But believing whether this is possible or not or trying this, is up to each individual.

In conclusion, it is what it is and if that's the case, then, it doesn't matter and nothing can be done about it lol. Except for searching for clues, answers and truths about what one is seeking for, based on what is and what was, maybe. And making decisions based on that... It can be scary and frustrating but it can be beautiful as well, in my opinion. It sometimes makes surrendering quite enjoyable on top of being peaceful.

And I guess the journey of self-discovery is nice and fun and very interesting, too, sometimes.

I actually feel best when I discover or rediscover and bask in my true self and my true natural habitat... And it can be extremely painful to not be able to be one's true self freely, depending on the environment or other variables.

But being my true self and finding the things, people and places that truly resonate with, match me and where I perfectly fit in, in that state, is one of the most if not the most fulfilling thing to me.

Finding one's true self is the easy part, in my opinion. It starts with going within and sincerely listening to one's true self, either with or without taking whatever is "outside" into consideration. Your true self is there, it always has been and it will always be there. You can find it, always. And it will definitely answer. You can find comfort in this.

The hard and painful part is when you have found your true self but when you come out of the zone, it seems none of the things, people and places in reality or the outside world, match you perfectly lol or it may also be that you know where you truly belong isn't anywhere close to this reality and/or world or it may even be non-existence, only you know.

It takes patience, devotion, focus, strength, commitment but also a lot of acceptance, trust and surrendering to find and reach all that you truly match with and perfectly fit in. It can be done, I believe. And they exist if you exist, somewhere, in some way, inevitably. Just like there can't be 2 without 1 (lmao what kind of example is that). Just release expectations and keep an open but focused mind, heart and soul.

Anyways.

Sometimes, you find your true self when you find something or someone in reality or the outside world that resonates with you on a deep level, that's an indication that you're going in the right direction.

So, as a final word, the process may not be instantaneous or quick or stable but it's a beautiful unfolding and uncovering. And it always feels good to find or re-find your true self. And down the line, the rewards far outweigh any pains, in my opinion but that may be just me lol.

Not sure why I shared all of this here but I hope it can be helpful in some way, to one or some who might stumble accross this.

I'll stop rambling and go back to reading my mangas now.
 
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suicidal257

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Nov 24, 2020
52
Yes, I believe in it.

I am fully atheist and thus believe your genes (and your parents and relatives ones which influence your environment) determine your entire fate.

People like Westboro Baptist have this extreme belief. If someone dies, God killed them for being wicked. But I don't believe in this, I am for full genetic determinism.
 
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mr parkinson

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Oct 11, 2019
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when i was 13 i overheard and saw someone whom i realize now that that person i saw and heard was me 60 years in future im now 73 .
 
Meditation guide

Meditation guide

Always was, is, and always shall be.
Jun 22, 2020
6,082
Do you believe in predestination or any other form of the path that universe has for everyone? it all comes to seeing the signs. I might be crazy, but I'm seeing number 22 for my whole life. My next birthday is on 22.02.2022, my birth day year after summing up the numbers is 22, I was born at 22 o'clock and so on, and on. I know that some people call it angelic numbers, however I'm starting to believe that we are predestined since birth and the signs are leading us somewhere.

How about you?
The real nature of time is that it's an illusion. This means that everything is predestined including our decisions on what to do. And numbers are highly significant. The entire universe is based on them.
 
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Wayfaerer

Wayfaerer

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Aug 21, 2019
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Fate is the only thing that exists, everything else is just superstitious nonsense.
 
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