Do you believe in fate ?

[lil.yeet]

if this is my fate then fate is cruel

 

[Meditation guide]

it's difficult to fly unless you also adopt some motion that you associate with flying like a superman pose or 'air swimming'

Whenever I fly in dreams I'm in an upright position. I don't recall ever trying it in lucid dreams, those often focus on doing things to dream characters I can't do in real life, punching one repeatedly while she stood there passively, doing something slightly sexual, or telling dream characters I'm dreaming and did they know they weren't real, which is met with a puzzled expression.

Such ignorance assumes that it's your choice to suffer

Doctors think this way. They see me sitting there in front of them looking I gues normal and even though I tell them it was literally a super human effort to get to thier office and to walk in the door, they tell me I should start swimming every day, walking a mile every day, and I say I can't and they look at me with disbelief. They literally do not believe me.
They measure my racing pulse at 140 and still don't believe me.

 

[peacechoice]

Whenever I fly in dreams I'm in an upright position. I don't recall ever trying it in lucid dreams, those often focus on doing things to dream characters I can't do in real life, punching one repeatedly while she stood there passively, doing something slightly sexual, or telling dream characters I'm dreaming and did they know they weren't real, which is met with a puzzled expression.

Doctors think this way. They see me sitting there in front of them looking I gues normal and even though I tell them it was literally a super human effort to get to thier office and to walk in the door, they tell me I should start swimming every day, walking a mile every day, and I say I can't and they look at me with disbelief. They literally do not believe me.
They measure my racing pulse at 140 and still don't believe me.

Doctors are assholes. The only reason doctors are there is because those lucky bastards are physically healthy enough to have made it through med school. If I weren't this sick I would have surely made it too!! I'm sorry those assholes don't believe you. They are not in your shoes.

 

[Giraffey]

Whenever I fly in dreams I'm in an upright position. I don't recall ever trying it in lucid dreams, those often focus on doing things to dream characters I can't do in real life, punching one repeatedly while she stood there passively, doing something slightly sexual, or telling dream characters I'm dreaming and did they know they weren't real, which is met with a puzzled expression.

Indeed, indeed, all very common activities. I recently gave a lecture on the consciousness of dream characters and part of that talk was about the different ways in which dream characters react to such 'meta' questioning and the neurological processes underpinning it. Next time if you'd like a more thoughtful response, try asking them what they represent, or what their purpose in the dream is. Another good one to try if you have the opportunity next time you're lucid is looking in the mirror, that can produce a catalogue of interesting effects.

Doctors think this way. They see me sitting there in front of them looking I gues normal and even though I tell them it was literally a super human effort to get to thier office and to walk in the door, they tell me I should start swimming every day, walking a mile every day, and I say I can't and they look at me with disbelief. They literally do not believe me.
They measure my racing pulse at 140 and still don't believe me.

I see this a lot, unfortunately. They assume that whether or not it was a super-human effort, you managed to accomplish it and therefore if you applied yourself to another activity you could achieve the same thing, the presumption being that it would get easier with practice. I sometimes wonder whether such professionals actually believe that or if it's just general advice they give out to anyone they consider unresponsive or difficult to treat.

Then you have the added issue of next time you see a different professional, they have inherited the previous doctor's notes and form a negative judgement before they've even met you. I treat a lot of people who suffer from chronic pain and you see it all the time in their notes: "pt reports sedentary lifestyle". The word lifestyle gives the impression that it's the patient's choice but I know from my own past experiences with pain, it's anything but a choice. I've gone on rants about this before, it just annoys me because doctors and other professionals should know better, yet too many remain ignorant.

 

[peacechoice]

Indeed, indeed, all very common activities. I recently gave a lecture on the consciousness of dream characters and part of that talk was about the different ways in which dream characters react to such 'meta' questioning and the neurological processes underpinning it. Next time if you'd like a more thoughtful response, try asking them what they represent, or what their purpose in the dream is. Another good one to try if you have the opportunity next time you're lucid is looking in the mirror, that can produce a catalogue of interesting effects.



I see this a lot, unfortunately. They assume that whether or not it was a super-human effort, you managed to accomplish it and therefore if you applied yourself to another activity you could achieve the same thing, the presumption being that it would get easier with practice. I sometimes wonder whether such professionals actually believe that or if it's just general advice they give out to anyone they consider unresponsive or difficult to treat.

Then you have the added issue of next time you see a different professional, they have inherited the previous doctor's notes and form a negative judgement before they've even met you. I treat a lot of people who suffer from chronic pain and you see it all the time in their notes: "pt reports sedentary lifestyle". The word lifestyle gives the impression that it's the patient's choice but I know from my own past experiences with pain, it's anything but a choice. I've gone on rants about this before, it just annoys me because doctors and other professionals should know better, yet too many remain ignorant.

Wow, so are you like a university professor? What brings you here? As a chronic pain sufferer, I hate that doctors have no sympathy. They really don't.

 

[Yiyo123]

I don't believe in fate nor destiny. That's why we have free will and depending on the outccome, we have to pay the consequences of our actions or simply we rewarded. Life is about making choices and taking chances. It's a learning process. Nevertheless, I hate my life and tired of it.

Nobody teaches how to live. So life
is not supposed to be easy. I gave up on life a long time ago. I've been suicidal for years. Now I'm almost fifty, married, constantly monitored and considered myself a failure. I have so many aspirations and all were shatered (sorry if I mispel this word... English is not my primary language). I retired early becuase of my illnesses. I wasn't prepared for the after retirement life.

Now i only think about nothingness. Life is black, empty, sad and full of emotional pain.

And the worst part of all is... nobody cares. You become a burden... so if your life doesn't have any meaning, what's the point of it. Someday i will end it but for now is not an option (even though i think anout it every day).

Sorry for bothering you people.

 

[peacechoice]

I don't believe in fate nor destiny. That's why we have free will and depending on the outccome, we have to pay the consequences of our actions or simply we rewarded. Life is about making choices and taking chances. It's a learning process. Nevertheless, I hate my life and tired of it.

Nobody teaches how to live. So life
is not supposed to be easy. I gave up on life a long time ago. I've been suicidal for years. Now I'm almost fifty, married, constantly monitored and considered myself a failure. I have so many aspirations and all were shatered (sorry if I mispel this word... English is not my primary language). I retired early becuase of my illnesses. I wasn't prepared for the after retirement life.

Now i only think about nothingness. Life is black, empty, sad and full of emotional pain.

And the worst part of all is... nobody cares. You become a burden... so if your life doesn't have any meaning, what's the point of it. Someday i will end it but for now is not an option (even though i think anout it every day).

Sorry for bothering you people.

No, i feel the same way. I can't kill myself now, but I will. 100% I am sure. You are not a bother. I think this too much of myself as well. Keep going even if it's just for your own sanity.

 

[Yiyo123]

No, i feel the same way. I can't kill myself now, but I will. 100% I am sure. You are not a bother. I think this too much of myself as well. Keep going even if it's just for your own sanity.

Thank you!!!

 

[MichaelNomad123]

Yes, but I've been trying to convince myself otherwise for 32 years

 

[Giraffey]

Wow, so are you like a university professor? What brings you here? As a chronic pain sufferer, I hate that doctors have no sympathy. They really don't.

Nothing so fancy I'm afraid, I'm a hypnotherapist but in my spare time, I'm a scientist currently specialising in the study of dreams - I'm working on a funded research project at the moment involving representing dreams and nightmares in a virtual reality environment for the purposes of conducting therapy. So as you might expect, from time to time I'm asked to speak or give guest lectures on the subject.

What has led me here would take an entire thread in itself to explain, but essentially it stems from the abuse of my ex-partner and the death of my daughter, and how those events fundamentally altered the course of my life for the worse and have really put a low ceiling on my future prospects. I'm not at all depressed, but certain life circumstances are just beyond repair, so here I am.

It's terrible when doctors just dismiss you and treat all chronic pain sufferers with the same blanket contempt. Especially if you ask for pain relief and you get the speech about how painkillers are not effective in the treatment of choric pain. So you're denied the relief you pinned your diminishing hopes on and the doctors fail to offer you any alternative except the general advice about just getting on with your life and learning to live with it. There are some good articles on the BMJ about how a doctor's attitude can make a big difference when talking to people with difficult to treat issues; if only more doctors took it upon themselves to read and follow such advice.

 

[RottenDeer]

I don't believe in fate.

 

[Meditation guide]

Nothing so fancy I'm afraid, I'm a hypnotherapist but in my spare time, I'm a scientist currently specialising in the study of dreams - I'm working on a funded research project at the moment involving representing dreams and nightmares in a virtual reality environment for the purposes of conducting therapy. So as you might expect, from time to time I'm asked to speak or give guest lectures on the subject.

What has led me here would take an entire thread in itself to explain, but essentially it stems from the abuse of my ex-partner and the death of my daughter, and how those events fundamentally altered the course of my life for the worse and have really put a low ceiling on my future prospects. I'm not at all depressed, but certain life circumstances are just beyond repair, so here I am.

It's terrible when doctors just dismiss you and treat all chronic pain sufferers with the same blanket contempt. Especially if you ask for pain relief and you get the speech about how painkillers are not effective in the treatment of choric pain. So you're denied the relief you pinned your diminishing hopes on and the doctors fail to offer you any alternative except the general advice about just getting on with your life and learning to live with it. There are some good articles on the BMJ about how a doctor's attitude can make a big difference when talking to people with difficult to treat issues; if only more doctors took it upon themselves to read and follow such advice.

My dreams are trying to comfort me at this time. I'm in very nice surroundings with things I miss. I'm not sick and disabled. I've never been that way in dreams. I'm healthy and enjoying myself. They seem to be providing me with the things I need but don't have. My only nightmare is my waking life.

 

[Giraffey]

My dreams are trying to comfort me at this time. I'm in very nice surroundings with things I miss. I'm not sick and disabled. I've never been that way in dreams. I'm healthy and enjoying myself. They seem to be providing me with the things I need but don't have. My only nightmare is my waking life.

Indeed, and that's a very common theme. Sickness and disability are not part of your identity, not part of how you view yourself, they're just chains and shackles that hold you down in waking life. Setting aside the various theories of dream interpretation, from a neurological point of view dreams tend to reflect metaphors of our current thought processes, our emotional thinking and our desires and concerns.

I incubate most of my dreams, which is a technique by which (with training) you can essentially plan out what you wish to dream about in advance and then execute it (lucid and non-lucid dreams alike). So likewise, nearly all of my dreams involve revisiting happier times, reuniting with loved ones, enjoying myself. It's a form of escapism but also a form of therapy for me, a brief rest bite from grim reality.

I sometimes say to people that if I had the choice between ending my life or being stuck in a coma in which I was permanently dreaming I would choose the latter fate. To live out the rest of my biological life in a place where all of the things that had gone wrong had never happened and I'd never lost anyone special to me.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Indeed, and that's a very common theme. Sickness and disability are not part of your identity, not part of how you view yourself, they're just chains and shackles that hold you down in waking life. Setting aside the various theories of dream interpretation, from a neurological point of view dreams tend to reflect metaphors of our current thought processes, our emotional thinking and our desires and concerns.

I incubate most of my dreams, which is a technique by which (with training) you can essentially plan out what you wish to dream about in advance and then execute it (lucid and non-lucid dreams alike). So likewise, nearly all of my dreams involve revisiting happier times, reuniting with loved ones, enjoying myself. It's a form of escapism but also a form of therapy for me, a brief rest bite from grim reality.

I sometimes say to people that if I had the choice between ending my life or being stuck in a coma in which I was permanently dreaming I would choose the latter fate. To live out the rest of my biological life in a place where all of the things that had gone wrong had never happened and I'd never lost anyone special to me.

Could you give us a summary about how to do these techniques for planning dreaming and or self hypnosis? Or at least the names of some good books on how to do this?

 

[Meditation guide]

I spend time lost in fantasies of a better life so my dreams probably are a carry over from that.

 

[StuFin]

I don't really believe in fate or spiritual stuff or psychic powers and all that but I did have a weird experience last week.

I had to go somewhere and I was sat in a waiting room for about 45 minutes. For some reason my mind started wandering and I started thinking of a guy I haven't seen for 30 years.

Haven't thought about him more than once or twice in those years.

10 or 15 minutes later he walked in the door and sat down opposite me. I was supposed to be there the Friday before but couldn't be bothered going, so went on Monday morning.

I thought what are the chances of that happening? And what (if anything) does it mean??

 

[Average Joe]

May seem like a Grinch but I don't believe in fate or destiny. Not everything happens for a reason, the world is cold and cruel. You can choose your own path, I don't believe that life is already planned out for you.
there are possibilities that life will turn out a certain way and it seems like 'fate' but it's not. It's just a possibility out of many

 

[Meditation guide]

And what (if anything) does it mean??

It means you might want to start to rethink how you don't believe in psychic stuff.

You have this huge thing around you that extends out about 60 feel around you. It's your subconscious mind.
It knows things you don't know. And as big and powerful as it is, you don't even know it's there. Once in a while
it can slip you a little hint it's there, just to make you confused.

 

[StuFin]

It means you might want to start to rethink how you don't believe in psychic stuff.

What made it more strange was I'd spent the previous evening re-reading Jungs book on synchronicity and weird disconnected coincidences. I always thought Jung was a bit nutty.

 

[Giraffey]

Could you give us a summary about how to do these techniques for planning dreaming and or self hypnosis? Or at least the names of some good books on how to do this?

There are multiple approaches. When performing this therapy with other people I will have them visualise and describe an element of the dream, for example, a favourite place or person. We'll then anchor that thought to a sensory trigger (usually a scent or flashing light). Then, when they enter dream sleep I repeat the sensory trigger and this results in their brain recalling the memory and that person either consciously remembering the dream they wanted, or that element working its way into their dream anyway. You also can do this yourself with certain hardware.

When doing it myself I use visualisation techniques before I fall asleep and I repeat my intentions to myself in my mind. Through training and conditioning, this then becomes the basis for a dream, and I can then consciously 'steer' the dream sometimes being fully lucid, or just sitting back and passively enjoying the scene, tweaking any bits I don't like. The two techniques are similar and there are countless variations, but I don't want to go too off-topic.

There are a ton of books on the subject, but the one I always recommend without question is Exploring The World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge. If you work through that book then with practice you will be able to have lucid dreams and the techniques should give you a decent foundation to build upon if you want to progress to more advanced areas. It's written from a scientific viewpoint but the text is casual and accessible.

 

[Womps]

No, i believe in cause and effect.

 

[not4us]

Our universe is physical, everything in it is also physical (humans included). Evolution is a physical process, cause and effect pushes everything in this mechanism. Therefore the whole thing unfolds in the only way possible. We are merely spectators of this sick show.

 

[stevepwn]

Even when I was a little kid, I just couldn't imagine being an adult, having to go to work, have a relationship and then slowly your body would deteriorate and eventually you would die from some horrible disease.
I'm now an adult guy and seeing how my live went in the last 10 years, ctb will be inevitable.
So I'm a strong believer of fate and think ctb was always just a matter of time.

i alwaays knew it too i never wanted to do anythingstill dont

 

[TripleA]

Of course NOT

 

[woxihuanni]

If the amount of fuckery in my life was ordained, then I want a supernatural lawyer. Or twenty.

 

[NA90]

Absolutely yes and Karma also.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

There are multiple approaches. When performing this therapy with other people I will have them visualise and describe an element of the dream, for example, a favourite place or person. We'll then anchor that thought to a sensory trigger (usually a scent or flashing light). Then, when they enter dream sleep I repeat the sensory trigger and this results in their brain recalling the memory and that person either consciously remembering the dream they wanted, or that element working its way into their dream anyway. You also can do this yourself with certain hardware.

When doing it myself I use visualisation techniques before I fall asleep and I repeat my intentions to myself in my mind. Through training and conditioning, this then becomes the basis for a dream, and I can then consciously 'steer' the dream sometimes being fully lucid, or just sitting back and passively enjoying the scene, tweaking any bits I don't like. The two techniques are similar and there are countless variations, but I don't want to go too off-topic.

There are a ton of books on the subject, but the one I always recommend without question is Exploring The World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge. If you work through that book then with practice you will be able to have lucid dreams and the techniques should give you a decent foundation to build upon if you want to progress to more advanced areas. It's written from a scientific viewpoint but the text is casual and accessible.

Thank you so much @SlowMo . I've read a little bit of your posts. very interesting stuff. I've been starting to learn about self hypnosis and the power of the subconscious mind. I'm starting to see that you can really accomplish any goal if you reprogram your subconscious mind . And self hypnosis coupled with repetition and visualization and meditation seem to be the most powerful methods to reprogram the subconscious mind.

Some one else posted on this thread that no one teaches how to live .And that is true and what caused all my problems. i never even heard of the subconscious mind much less it's power until last year . Most people don't even know what the subconscious mind is.

 

[Jojo81]

Exactly, that is why choices are an illusion. The cost is so high that your brain and/or body won't allow the action. It's fun to think we can do as we please, but in the end we can't. Telling ourselves we have freedom of choice makes us feel better about our liner reality.

Yeah, like I wanted to start a small business rather than an employee, but now the price am paying is too high...

 

[nowhere2befound]

When you really seriously start believing in fate/destiny it means you are closer to ctb than you ever realized i think.

 

[*Hope*]

Use to be super religious, to the point where I would pray each night before sleep. Stopped believing all of that once I realized my life is getting worse and worse. The only thing I believe in nowadays, is luck